Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that 20:46 - Mar 5 with 8257 views | Oxford_Blue | From the way he speaks and behaves. There is genuine hurt in his eyes at the moment. He’s a decent bloke, he’s done what he can to connect with the fans again (when MM really couldn’t care less) and it seemed to be working, with better crowds and the team flying high.....but suddenly it’s turned into a nightmare for everyone. It must be heart breaking for him that it looks like it may well all fall apart. I’d love to see him turn it around, as we all would, but I think he’s left it too late and there is clearly something seriously wrong with that group of players. Evans to be fair has allowed him to maintain a high wage budget for the division and let him bring some players in. But there’s been so much failure and frustration over ten years or so that it’s all cumulative and the fans’ patience has now run out. I suppose I’m just saying that we should spare a thought for Lambert the man who is decent and doesn’t deserve the vitriol he’s getting. I can’t help think that he’s blown it though. Not sure what the answer is. Probably a younger manager with town links. McGreal? |  | | |  |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 21:39 - Mar 5 with 3714 views | Mullet |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 21:33 - Mar 5 by SomethingBlue | Agree with most of this. Also think McGreal is a very good bet to be our next manager although - much as he's no idiot whatsoever - it wouldn't tell me good things about the way things are going. |
I don't really understand how anyone can argue Mick didn't care about the club, or that Lambert clearly isn't breaking at this moment in time. He had the fairytale written, a big part of coming here was to rub it in Nodge's face after their fall out I'm sure and he'd become a punchline for them instead. McGreal doesn't really fit here beyond the ex-player PR Evans goes for. From a structural point of view, as I understand it, he operates very differently at Col Utd and it'd mean restructuring here. (Phil suggested as much to me previously I believe) I can see Evans taking a gamble on a foreigner in the Farke / Gomes / Steijn mould after there was some clamour for it previously and it has worked at some clubs similar to us. But what he will actually do or what he's prepared to do is entirely hard to gauge as we sink quicker. |  |
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 21:45 - Mar 5 with 3704 views | Oxford_Blue |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 21:39 - Mar 5 by Herbivore | Several seasons in League 1? We need to be going for promotion next season. |
Hence the dilemma. |  | |  |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 21:48 - Mar 5 with 3697 views | Herbivore |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 21:45 - Mar 5 by Oxford_Blue | Hence the dilemma. |
We should be able to get someone in capable of developing the young players and going for promotion next season. We have some very good youngsters and we currently don't use them. Only 5 sides have given less game time to youngsters than us this season. |  |
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 21:49 - Mar 5 with 3690 views | Oxford_Blue |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 21:48 - Mar 5 by Herbivore | We should be able to get someone in capable of developing the young players and going for promotion next season. We have some very good youngsters and we currently don't use them. Only 5 sides have given less game time to youngsters than us this season. |
Agreed - we should. But we haven’t had a lot of luck with the last six or seven managers..... |  | |  |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 21:55 - Mar 5 with 3670 views | Herbivore |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 21:49 - Mar 5 by Oxford_Blue | Agreed - we should. But we haven’t had a lot of luck with the last six or seven managers..... |
Mick did a good job. And our circumstances are quite different now, we're relative big boys in a terrible league rather than trying to punch above our financial weight in the Championship. It makes Lambert's dismal failure all the more depressing. |  |
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 21:58 - Mar 5 with 3662 views | PJH |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 21:55 - Mar 5 by Herbivore | Mick did a good job. And our circumstances are quite different now, we're relative big boys in a terrible league rather than trying to punch above our financial weight in the Championship. It makes Lambert's dismal failure all the more depressing. |
Yes, almost every day that goes by highlights how much better MM did here than the two appointments before him and the two since. The almost certainty that this season will see our lowest finish since 1952/53 is an embarrassment as is the other almost certainty that we will still be in the third division next season. |  | |  |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 22:34 - Mar 5 with 3620 views | monty_radio | Mc Greal is not actually a younger manager, being only 3 years younger than P.L. And while he has not pulled up trees at Colchester, even more worringly, I've heard nothing of his time in Germany. [Post edited 6 Mar 2020 14:29]
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 06:20 - Mar 6 with 3563 views | pennblue | I am sorry I just don’t buy that. I think the clubs problems lie at the foot of Evans who did nothing in the January transfer window again. The manager told him we need more And he did nothing. This sends out the wrong message to the team when Peterborough and others are investing In the squad. The only time you can stand still in a transfer window is when You have your squad set up right. The reality is a lot of the players are not up to it And that is NOT lamberts failt, He did not bring them into the club. That is why we are now tenth. |  |
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 06:47 - Mar 6 with 3552 views | SitfcB | Bull sh!t. He’s pulled the wool over your eyes. |  |
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 07:40 - Mar 6 with 3529 views | Keaneish | His task is simple now. He needs to win at least 7 or 8 of his last 9 matches. It’s his only saving grace and the only thing to save his career to be honest. Interesting times ahead but it’s going to take a hero in that squad to pull him out of his own mire. Decent bloke who i’d like to see succeed because I really can’t be bothered with yet another face at the helm but I think the Fleetwood performance was the straw that broke the camel’s back. [Post edited 6 Mar 2020 7:52]
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 07:42 - Mar 6 with 3525 views | Herbivore |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 06:20 - Mar 6 by pennblue | I am sorry I just don’t buy that. I think the clubs problems lie at the foot of Evans who did nothing in the January transfer window again. The manager told him we need more And he did nothing. This sends out the wrong message to the team when Peterborough and others are investing In the squad. The only time you can stand still in a transfer window is when You have your squad set up right. The reality is a lot of the players are not up to it And that is NOT lamberts failt, He did not bring them into the club. That is why we are now tenth. |
Nonsense. The squad is big and plenty good enough to be getting out of this league. Lambert has failed abysmally, sadly. |  |
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 07:54 - Mar 6 with 3511 views | Oxford_Blue |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 06:20 - Mar 6 by pennblue | I am sorry I just don’t buy that. I think the clubs problems lie at the foot of Evans who did nothing in the January transfer window again. The manager told him we need more And he did nothing. This sends out the wrong message to the team when Peterborough and others are investing In the squad. The only time you can stand still in a transfer window is when You have your squad set up right. The reality is a lot of the players are not up to it And that is NOT lamberts failt, He did not bring them into the club. That is why we are now tenth. |
We were top with the squad we already had and were in the top two or three for the first third of the season. That shows the squad was already good enough. We have only suffered injuries in the last couple of weeks, well after the form dipped. The failure to buy more players in January isn’t the cause of the season falling apart. In any event the wage budget is well ahead of virtually all the teams around us. Lambert has been well supported and has failed. |  | |  |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 08:11 - Mar 6 with 3505 views | homer_123 |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 07:40 - Mar 6 by Keaneish | His task is simple now. He needs to win at least 7 or 8 of his last 9 matches. It’s his only saving grace and the only thing to save his career to be honest. Interesting times ahead but it’s going to take a hero in that squad to pull him out of his own mire. Decent bloke who i’d like to see succeed because I really can’t be bothered with yet another face at the helm but I think the Fleetwood performance was the straw that broke the camel’s back. [Post edited 6 Mar 2020 7:52]
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His task has always been simple, this is the thing. 1. He was brought in to stave of relegation - failed 2. His updated task was to gain promotion - failing |  |
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 08:54 - Mar 6 with 3484 views | PJH |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 08:11 - Mar 6 by homer_123 | His task has always been simple, this is the thing. 1. He was brought in to stave of relegation - failed 2. His updated task was to gain promotion - failing |
Although we have been able to go to a lot of new grounds this season and (apparently) relegation might not be a bad thing. I have made your points before. If he did try to keep us up he did not make a very good job of it. He should have got us back up but that is not going very well either. I still like the bloke though and wish him well for his future but his future should not be here. |  | |  |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:11 - Mar 6 with 3467 views | Herbivore |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 08:54 - Mar 6 by PJH | Although we have been able to go to a lot of new grounds this season and (apparently) relegation might not be a bad thing. I have made your points before. If he did try to keep us up he did not make a very good job of it. He should have got us back up but that is not going very well either. I still like the bloke though and wish him well for his future but his future should not be here. |
His future shouldn't really be in football, looking at his last few jobs now. |  |
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:12 - Mar 6 with 3466 views | BrixtonBlue |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 21:38 - Mar 5 by Herbivore | Again, I'm not sure that's personal abuse. That's about him not being very good at his job. Fans are bound to make their feelings known, he's served up the worst 18 months in our history. |
Personal abuse was brought up by you. No-one else was talking about personal abuse. You introduced that as a straw man you could knock down. |  |
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:25 - Mar 6 with 3452 views | Herbivore |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:12 - Mar 6 by BrixtonBlue | Personal abuse was brought up by you. No-one else was talking about personal abuse. You introduced that as a straw man you could knock down. |
I was having a conversation with Oxford. I questioned whether Lambert was being given abuse as part of that discussion. You seem to be desperate to blub and argue at every opportunity at the minute. |  |
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:28 - Mar 6 with 3449 views | Radlett_blue |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 21:29 - Mar 5 by Oxford_Blue | I can see that argument and given the way the season has imploded it’s becoming harder to find reasons to say he should stay. But football is a strange game. A lot is riding on Saturday. A good win will slow down the criticism a little. [Post edited 5 Mar 2020 21:29]
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We thought that after the Burton game, but 3 dismal defeats later, that result is looking like an aberration. The sooner we are mathematically out of the play offs all this rose tinted optimism can stop & we can face reality & prepare for next season. And while I don't doubt Lambert cares about results, I think that's largely because he looks increasingly incompetent as we keep losing. His 3 previous managerial appointments have all lasted less than a season - he's a truly busted flush and it's done Town huge damage to keep him on, although I did say at the time that he looked a desperate appointment. [Post edited 6 Mar 2020 9:32]
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:31 - Mar 6 with 3445 views | Oxford_Blue |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:25 - Mar 6 by Herbivore | I was having a conversation with Oxford. I questioned whether Lambert was being given abuse as part of that discussion. You seem to be desperate to blub and argue at every opportunity at the minute. |
Yes you’re right. In fact I brought up abuse - I think I used the term “vitriolic” and then we discussed the extent of that abuse and whether it was reasonable etc. |  | |  |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:37 - Mar 6 with 3435 views | Herbivore |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:31 - Mar 6 by Oxford_Blue | Yes you’re right. In fact I brought up abuse - I think I used the term “vitriolic” and then we discussed the extent of that abuse and whether it was reasonable etc. |
Indeed. It was a perfectly amicable discussion about what abuse he's receiving (if any). It's not necessarily an easy line to draw, personally I don't think fans have crossed the line yet but we could get there very soon. |  |
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:41 - Mar 6 with 3428 views | r2d2 | Does he b0llox! He has his 5 year contract. Makes all the right noises, does a few bits to make the fans think he cares. Then people like you are sucked in. |  | |  |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:44 - Mar 6 with 3425 views | Radlett_blue |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:37 - Mar 6 by Herbivore | Indeed. It was a perfectly amicable discussion about what abuse he's receiving (if any). It's not necessarily an easy line to draw, personally I don't think fans have crossed the line yet but we could get there very soon. |
I think Lambert is out of his depth, has lost the plot and the dressing room. While abusing the manager is generally unhelpful, it generally only starts after an awful start to a game. It did contribute to Mick leaving & giving Lambert stick is far more productive than barracking Evans as I know which one of them is leaving Ipswich town first. |  |
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:51 - Mar 6 with 3414 views | BrixtonBlue |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:25 - Mar 6 by Herbivore | I was having a conversation with Oxford. I questioned whether Lambert was being given abuse as part of that discussion. You seem to be desperate to blub and argue at every opportunity at the minute. |
Haha, and now you've changed it back to just abuse again. You've been caught out and are doubling down. Then you call my point a blub to belittle it when actually I was just pointing out a fact. Oxford is right, Lambert has received lots of unnecessary vitriol, both from the stands and on here. The fact that you're trying to defend it is because you're one of the proponents. And last time I looked this was a discussion board where anyone can chip in. |  |
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Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 10:00 - Mar 6 with 3408 views | Oxford_Blue |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:41 - Mar 6 by r2d2 | Does he b0llox! He has his 5 year contract. Makes all the right noises, does a few bits to make the fans think he cares. Then people like you are sucked in. |
It’s precisely this cynical and negative attitude which I’m suggesting is unfortunate. It would be surprising if any professional manager didn’t care about their role and employer. Many on here agree. |  | |  |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 11:46 - Mar 6 with 3389 views | Herbivore |
Lambert cares about the club - you can tell that on 09:51 - Mar 6 by BrixtonBlue | Haha, and now you've changed it back to just abuse again. You've been caught out and are doubling down. Then you call my point a blub to belittle it when actually I was just pointing out a fact. Oxford is right, Lambert has received lots of unnecessary vitriol, both from the stands and on here. The fact that you're trying to defend it is because you're one of the proponents. And last time I looked this was a discussion board where anyone can chip in. |
Oh Dollers, you've reverted back to your full on over-enthusiastic 6th form debate team member routine again. Oxford and I were having a perfectly reasonable discussion, then you went full rant. Again. And then one more for good measure. I don't have the time or energy, you care about message board chat far more than I do. |  |
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