| The Stock Market 18:41 - Mar 12 with 9639 views | monytowbray |
Isn't it kind of worrying how vulnerable our entire financial system is when stuff like this happens? |  |
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| The Stock Market on 18:53 - Mar 12 with 4310 views | JakeITFC |
How would you prevent this being the case? |  | | |
| The Stock Market on 18:55 - Mar 12 with 4302 views | connorscontract |
| The Stock Market on 18:53 - Mar 12 by JakeITFC |
How would you prevent this being the case? |
It's really simple. Ban shorting. Make all investments in shares subject to a minimum hold term: say a week, or a month. Would totally remove the day trading and casino trading model, and would smooth out panics. |  | | |
| The Stock Market on 18:57 - Mar 12 with 4285 views | Lord_Lucan |
| The Stock Market on 18:53 - Mar 12 by JakeITFC |
How would you prevent this being the case? |
Eat more greens |  |
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| The Stock Market on 18:59 - Mar 12 with 4276 views | connorscontract |
Brings a whole new meaning to that phrase "Someone sneezes in China and the whole world catches a cold!" | | | |
| The Stock Market on 18:59 - Mar 12 with 4270 views | Pendejo |
| The Stock Market on 18:55 - Mar 12 by connorscontract |
It's really simple. Ban shorting. Make all investments in shares subject to a minimum hold term: say a week, or a month. Would totally remove the day trading and casino trading model, and would smooth out panics. |
Well said; make a Medium to long term investment, mean exactly that 5 years+ and the value based on actual performance rather than misinformation, rumours and outright lies.
For anyone needing to understand better and use the medium of movies see "The Big Short" [I haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, so don't know if that's any good] |  |
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| The Stock Market on 19:00 - Mar 12 with 4264 views | JakeITFC |
| The Stock Market on 18:55 - Mar 12 by connorscontract |
It's really simple. Ban shorting. Make all investments in shares subject to a minimum hold term: say a week, or a month. Would totally remove the day trading and casino trading model, and would smooth out panics. |
Surely this is just people closing down all sorts of positions? | | | |
| The Stock Market on 19:01 - Mar 12 with 4258 views | Pendejo |
| The Stock Market on 18:57 - Mar 12 by Lord_Lucan |
Eat more greens |
Cannibalism's going a bit far isn't it? | |
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| The Stock Market on 19:01 - Mar 12 with 4250 views | BloomBlue |
Nationalise it, that always fixes everything |  | | |
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| The Stock Market on 19:02 - Mar 12 with 4250 views | connorscontract |
| The Stock Market on 19:00 - Mar 12 by JakeITFC |
Surely this is just people closing down all sorts of positions? |
This is full on panic selling. | | | |
| The Stock Market on 19:08 - Mar 12 with 4206 views | JakeITFC |
| The Stock Market on 19:02 - Mar 12 by connorscontract |
This is full on panic selling. |
Yeah - I’m not sure what mechanisms can be used to stop people panicking. | | | |
| The Stock Market on 19:09 - Mar 12 with 4201 views | connorscontract |
| The Stock Market on 18:55 - Mar 12 by connorscontract |
It's really simple. Ban shorting. Make all investments in shares subject to a minimum hold term: say a week, or a month. Would totally remove the day trading and casino trading model, and would smooth out panics. |
But would also decrease trading volumes massively, and therefore commission for the interested parties, and as a result will never happen.
But stock exchanges were originally set up to promote investment in businesses in order to spread risk (and share reward). Imagine if they were rebooted to provide that service, rather than serving the purpose of providing as much reward as possible as quickly as possible, often with minimal commitment. | | | |
| The Stock Market on 23:53 - Mar 12 with 3981 views | sparks |
No. It seems entirely expected that markets react to a major issue. |  |
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| The Stock Market on 07:41 - Mar 13 with 3860 views | No9 |
| The Stock Market on 18:55 - Mar 12 by connorscontract |
It's really simple. Ban shorting. Make all investments in shares subject to a minimum hold term: say a week, or a month. Would totally remove the day trading and casino trading model, and would smooth out panics. |
+ stopping companies running on debt (for tax reasons) | | | |
| The Stock Market on 07:53 - Mar 13 with 3842 views | StokieBlue |
| The Stock Market on 18:55 - Mar 12 by connorscontract |
It's really simple. Ban shorting. Make all investments in shares subject to a minimum hold term: say a week, or a month. Would totally remove the day trading and casino trading model, and would smooth out panics. |
This isn't due to shorting, it's due to a massive and unpredictable event which will cause havoc on many sectors coupled with an oil war between Russia and Saudis based on different goals.
Day or prop trading has been banned in banks since 2009 as has shorting. The type of "casino trading" is long gone from banks although is still allowed in hedge funds. That still doesn't cause a once in 40 years event. The moves yesterday were the biggest since 87.
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| The Stock Market on 07:54 - Mar 13 with 3838 views | StokieBlue |
| The Stock Market on 18:59 - Mar 12 by Pendejo |
Well said; make a Medium to long term investment, mean exactly that 5 years+ and the value based on actual performance rather than misinformation, rumours and outright lies.
For anyone needing to understand better and use the medium of movies see "The Big Short" [I haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, so don't know if that's any good] |
The Big Short is based on rules prior to 2007. It has very little relevance today.
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| The Stock Market on 07:57 - Mar 13 with 3825 views | StokieBlue |
In what way? It's working as it should. For instance, if you had shares in Cineworld what would you have done yesterday?
I suspect given the cinemas are going to close and films are being delayed you would have cut your loses and sold and that is why they were down 30% yesterday. You sell for what people are willing to pay.
The markets aren't guaranteed to march steadily upwards. They react to world conditions. This is a real problem and that's being reflected in the prices.
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| The Stock Market on 08:01 - Mar 13 with 3794 views | hampstead_blue |
| The Stock Market on 18:55 - Mar 12 by connorscontract |
It's really simple. Ban shorting. Make all investments in shares subject to a minimum hold term: say a week, or a month. Would totally remove the day trading and casino trading model, and would smooth out panics. |
Problem with that is you are taking us back in time
Technology and the markets always forge ahead. Taking us back won't help.
If you want to restrict certain positions maybe add certain limits but I genuinely don't think stopping shorting would help.
After all many small investors rely on such positions. It's not just the big banks and Hedge Funds. |  |
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| The Stock Market on 08:04 - Mar 13 with 3790 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Not really - its just a money-making opportunity. Sell high - buy cheap. A lot of it i driven by computer programmed buying and selling.
The only people hurt are the people who need their money out of the market now. ie poor people. And they dont count | |
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| The Stock Market on 08:13 - Mar 13 with 3777 views | StokieBlue |
| The Stock Market on 08:04 - Mar 13 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not really - its just a money-making opportunity. Sell high - buy cheap. A lot of it i driven by computer programmed buying and selling.
The only people hurt are the people who need their money out of the market now. ie poor people. And they dont count |
I don't think this is algo based - there are fundementals at work here.
What if nobody can fly to the US from Europe for 6 months. A worst case but how many companies go bankrupt or default on their debt? Airlines, travel agencies, restaurant groups, hotel groups, oil companies, electricity companies etc etc. Covid-19 is a systematic shock.
Algo driven trading is usually smoothed over peaks and troughs as the algos compete against each other.
A recession is being priced into the market, one that is looking increasingly likely at this point.
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| The Stock Market on 08:18 - Mar 13 with 3749 views | hampstead_blue |
| The Stock Market on 08:13 - Mar 13 by StokieBlue |
I don't think this is algo based - there are fundementals at work here.
What if nobody can fly to the US from Europe for 6 months. A worst case but how many companies go bankrupt or default on their debt? Airlines, travel agencies, restaurant groups, hotel groups, oil companies, electricity companies etc etc. Covid-19 is a systematic shock.
Algo driven trading is usually smoothed over peaks and troughs as the algos compete against each other.
A recession is being priced into the market, one that is looking increasingly likely at this point.
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Just to support this point, the markets can close for a short time when the automatic algos hit sell all together. This let's things settle.
Shorting is also a good way to protect yourself from downturns. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| The Stock Market on 08:21 - Mar 13 with 3741 views | PrideOfTheEast |
You’re referring to the stock market as a financial system? By definition stock goes up and down. That’s the point. | | | |
| The Stock Market on 10:26 - Mar 13 with 3649 views | flimflam |
| The Stock Market on 07:53 - Mar 13 by StokieBlue |
This isn't due to shorting, it's due to a massive and unpredictable event which will cause havoc on many sectors coupled with an oil war between Russia and Saudis based on different goals.
Day or prop trading has been banned in banks since 2009 as has shorting. The type of "casino trading" is long gone from banks although is still allowed in hedge funds. That still doesn't cause a once in 40 years event. The moves yesterday were the biggest since 87.
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True this is not the result of shorting but traders shorting the market now are making things worse. Should be a 6 month ban on shorting as other markets have already introduced. [Post edited 13 Mar 2020 10:28]
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| The Stock Market on 10:30 - Mar 13 with 3635 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| The Stock Market on 08:13 - Mar 13 by StokieBlue |
I don't think this is algo based - there are fundementals at work here.
What if nobody can fly to the US from Europe for 6 months. A worst case but how many companies go bankrupt or default on their debt? Airlines, travel agencies, restaurant groups, hotel groups, oil companies, electricity companies etc etc. Covid-19 is a systematic shock.
Algo driven trading is usually smoothed over peaks and troughs as the algos compete against each other.
A recession is being priced into the market, one that is looking increasingly likely at this point.
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Except we already know from the Far East that this is containable. A wake up call perhaps - and a big opportunity for big pharma. Point is some shares are very attractive at the moment if you keep long term. | |
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| The Stock Market on 10:31 - Mar 13 with 3632 views | Herbivore |
Capitalism is, like Paul Lambert, a busted flush. |  |
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| The Stock Market on 10:32 - Mar 13 with 3627 views | StokieBlue |
| The Stock Market on 10:26 - Mar 13 by flimflam |
True this is not the result of shorting but traders shorting the market now are making things worse. Should be a 6 month ban on shorting as other markets have already introduced. [Post edited 13 Mar 2020 10:28]
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What's a "trader" in your definition?
Shorting isn't allowed by large institutions anymore.
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