| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good 12:18 - Mar 14 with 2160 views | BrixtonBlue |
Spending in the Daily Mail's article on Sunak’s budget far exceeded what it reported Corbyn planned to spend. Yet they said Labour’s moderate plans would “bankrupt UK” but that Sunak was ‘rescuing’ the country!
The loveable British press.
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 12:34 - Mar 14 with 1812 views | tractordownsouth |
It does make me laugh, when the tabloids talk about sneering lefties, when they've treated their readership like idiots for years. |  |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 12:34 - Mar 14 with 1814 views | StokieBlue |
It was a rather large giveaway that surprised many - you are totally right that Labour would have been a target after such a budget. It tends to go against everything they have said for the last 10 years although Boris did claim he would spend.
However, where do you get "far exceeded" Labours plans? The nationalisations alone were about 100bn+ at the absolute minimum. Are there some numbers you can share?
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 12:39 - Mar 14 with 1790 views | tractordownsouth |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 12:34 - Mar 14 by StokieBlue |
It was a rather large giveaway that surprised many - you are totally right that Labour would have been a target after such a budget. It tends to go against everything they have said for the last 10 years although Boris did claim he would spend.
However, where do you get "far exceeded" Labours plans? The nationalisations alone were about 100bn+ at the absolute minimum. Are there some numbers you can share?
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Overall I don't think it was more than a Labour budget would have been over 5 years, but they're praising Sunak for "the biggest splurge in 30 years" yet still claiming that Labour's spending caused the global financial crash. They think their readership are idiots. | |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 12:43 - Mar 14 with 1769 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 12:34 - Mar 14 by StokieBlue |
It was a rather large giveaway that surprised many - you are totally right that Labour would have been a target after such a budget. It tends to go against everything they have said for the last 10 years although Boris did claim he would spend.
However, where do you get "far exceeded" Labours plans? The nationalisations alone were about 100bn+ at the absolute minimum. Are there some numbers you can share?
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Numbers would be good. If anyone can provide them, make sure to cost in the potential benefits of investment not just the cost. Also make sure to allow for the additional costs of a long-term stagnant economy and of extraditing ourself from our largest market. It’s far too easy to focus on one side of the equation. |  |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 13:03 - Mar 14 with 1722 views | homer_123 |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 13:14 - Mar 14 with 1697 views | hampstead_blue |
I think the Waspi women pledge was >£30bn
Along with everything else threw at the wall the bill would have been like sitting on a cactus. |  |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 13:41 - Mar 14 with 1661 views | Sarge |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 12:39 - Mar 14 by tractordownsouth |
Overall I don't think it was more than a Labour budget would have been over 5 years, but they're praising Sunak for "the biggest splurge in 30 years" yet still claiming that Labour's spending caused the global financial crash. They think their readership are idiots. |
Tbf they’ve probably got good reason to think that. If the majority of their readership were able to think critically then that rag would have long since gone under. |  | | |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 19:57 - Mar 14 with 1544 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 12:34 - Mar 14 by StokieBlue |
It was a rather large giveaway that surprised many - you are totally right that Labour would have been a target after such a budget. It tends to go against everything they have said for the last 10 years although Boris did claim he would spend.
However, where do you get "far exceeded" Labours plans? The nationalisations alone were about 100bn+ at the absolute minimum. Are there some numbers you can share?
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I'm just quoting the guy who put it on twitter. I didn't come up with "far exceeded". Not really my overall point really anyway. Whether it far exceeded or was roughy the same, either way my point still stands about the scummy British Press. | |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 19:59 - Mar 14 with 1543 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 13:14 - Mar 14 by hampstead_blue |
I think the Waspi women pledge was >£30bn
Along with everything else threw at the wall the bill would have been like sitting on a cactus. |
You're avoiding the point again. | |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 23:32 - Mar 14 with 1509 views | bournemouthblue |
It's almost like the media have a political bias and simply look to smear parties for their own sinister agendas
We like to think we have a free media but it only considered to be around the 40th freest media's in the World because of the influence of the press barons
It's pretty shameful for a country of our size and wealth to have been assimilated by these individuals and most people don't seem to blink an eye at it |  |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 08:23 - Mar 15 with 1420 views | sparks |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 23:32 - Mar 14 by bournemouthblue |
It's almost like the media have a political bias and simply look to smear parties for their own sinister agendas
We like to think we have a free media but it only considered to be around the 40th freest media's in the World because of the influence of the press barons
It's pretty shameful for a country of our size and wealth to have been assimilated by these individuals and most people don't seem to blink an eye at it |
It's more like there are overly left and right wing papers who push their own standpoint.
You've seen the utter garbage which also comes out of the mirror? A paper which the populace are free to buy if they choose? |  |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 10:42 - Mar 15 with 1368 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 08:23 - Mar 15 by sparks |
It's more like there are overly left and right wing papers who push their own standpoint.
You've seen the utter garbage which also comes out of the mirror? A paper which the populace are free to buy if they choose? |
The Mirror is also crap, yes. But the overwhelming media bias is a fair bit to the right and even the supposed centre is a passive uncritical conduit that just adds to the problem.
We have the least trusted media in the developed world because of this lack of balance and objectivity. Not just because a few papers are overly partisan. |  |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 10:43 - Mar 15 with 1374 views | brazil1982 |
You haven't included the £250b set up of a national bank. | | | |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 10:47 - Mar 15 with 1371 views | sparks |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 10:42 - Mar 15 by Darth_Koont |
The Mirror is also crap, yes. But the overwhelming media bias is a fair bit to the right and even the supposed centre is a passive uncritical conduit that just adds to the problem.
We have the least trusted media in the developed world because of this lack of balance and objectivity. Not just because a few papers are overly partisan. |
The public choose which paper-and therefore which bias- to purchase. | |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 10:55 - Mar 15 with 1352 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 10:47 - Mar 15 by sparks |
The public choose which paper-and therefore which bias- to purchase. |
Sure. Then with the pressure to provide 24-hour content (where politicians become important content providers) the centre chases viewers and clicks along those same lines so that it all becomes self-reinforcing. With the result that governments aren't held to account and "facts" are pretty subjective.
Of course, there are good journalists if you look for them. I'm talking about the prevailing standard which is pretty poor nowadays. | |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 10:56 - Mar 15 with 1357 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 10:47 - Mar 15 by sparks |
The public choose which paper-and therefore which bias- to purchase. |
Do people choose a paper to stick to their bias... or does the bias of the paper influence the person in the first place and push them in that direction?
Either way, the OP shows the ridiculousness of it all. You can't surely be happy with the press as it is in this country? | |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 11:02 - Mar 15 with 1351 views | sparks |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 10:56 - Mar 15 by BrixtonBlue |
Do people choose a paper to stick to their bias... or does the bias of the paper influence the person in the first place and push them in that direction?
Either way, the OP shows the ridiculousness of it all. You can't surely be happy with the press as it is in this country? |
Most of the press is awful. But this idea that its some big media conspiracy is nonsense. Differnet outlets push different biases. | |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 11:10 - Mar 15 with 1335 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 11:02 - Mar 15 by sparks |
Most of the press is awful. But this idea that its some big media conspiracy is nonsense. Differnet outlets push different biases. |
There's no conspiracy but, as with our non-representative and out-of-date democracy and the politicians we vote for, we've accepted a sub-standard media.
A media that takes more from society than it gives back in truth-seeking, accountable checks and balances.
Like the BBC's obsession with Farage that reached comedy proportions this week, it's a mess. | |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 11:14 - Mar 15 with 1331 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 11:02 - Mar 15 by sparks |
Most of the press is awful. But this idea that its some big media conspiracy is nonsense. Differnet outlets push different biases. |
But the vast majority are right-biased?
No-one said it's a big media conspiracy. It's blatantly obvious. | |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 11:15 - Mar 15 with 1327 views | sparks |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 11:14 - Mar 15 by BrixtonBlue |
But the vast majority are right-biased?
No-one said it's a big media conspiracy. It's blatantly obvious. |
People choose what they buy... | |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 11:17 - Mar 15 with 1321 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 11:15 - Mar 15 by sparks |
People choose what they buy... |
I'll take you back to my previous point/question.
Do people choose a paper to stick to their bias... or does the bias of the paper influence the person in the first place and push them in that direction? | |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 11:18 - Mar 15 with 1320 views | sparks |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 11:17 - Mar 15 by BrixtonBlue |
I'll take you back to my previous point/question.
Do people choose a paper to stick to their bias... or does the bias of the paper influence the person in the first place and push them in that direction? |
Who knows? Probably a combination of all sorts.
But the press criticism is always one way. Noone makes you buy the Mail over the Mirror. | |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 12:00 - Mar 15 with 1297 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 11:18 - Mar 15 by sparks |
Who knows? Probably a combination of all sorts.
But the press criticism is always one way. Noone makes you buy the Mail over the Mirror. |
No, it's years of brainwashing. And from an impressionable age. Much like with religion. | |
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 12:07 - Mar 15 with 1287 views | StokieBlue |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 10:42 - Mar 15 by Darth_Koont |
The Mirror is also crap, yes. But the overwhelming media bias is a fair bit to the right and even the supposed centre is a passive uncritical conduit that just adds to the problem.
We have the least trusted media in the developed world because of this lack of balance and objectivity. Not just because a few papers are overly partisan. |
Less trusted than the US?
That's a bold call.
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| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 12:55 - Mar 15 with 1262 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour spending = bad, Tories spending (more) = good on 12:07 - Mar 15 by StokieBlue |
Less trusted than the US?
That's a bold call.
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https://www.oecd.org/sdd/trustlab.htm
And that's even with a President telling the US public not to trust the news on a daily basis.
Ours is pretty shocking across the board and with less of the independence of many of the big US newspapers and news channels. | |
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