| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter 02:17 - Mar 17 with 33536 views | monytowbray |
I hope his press conference tomorrow puts some strong business and vulnerable people support in place. Although I have no idea what could be done at this point. It’s political unchartered territory.
Why can’t we just have all the info now? Or is this like a Netflix series with a cliffhanger at the end of every episode? What’s episode 3? More information about the pumps teaser? |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:33 - Mar 17 with 6835 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:27 - Mar 17 by Ryorry |
Look Callis, CoroV-19 is a completely new thing on this planet.
The only way, and the only time, we will actually know which country/countries managed it best, is in about 18 months' time when we've all been through it, have the experience & the statistics to look back on and analyse. We will then know what the best way is in future.
Till then it's all a matter of guesswork, theories, and juggling of them. If you know anything at all about Chief Medical Officer Whitty - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Whitty - you'll know that we could hardly have a better man in the role right now. Excellent short docu on his life on BBC R4 2 or 3 days ago. |
London Theatres have closed for the first time since the PLAGUE in the 17th century!
As you say. A completely new thing on this planet. Stuff happening for the first time since the plague and people want to criticise the response to experts based on what exactly?
Hardly, a ream of data to compare with from previous 21st century pandemics. But these people want us to follow the lead of other countries because it suits their agenda, even though we are economically nothing like these other countries. Utter madness. |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:34 - Mar 17 with 6829 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:33 - Mar 17 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
London Theatres have closed for the first time since the PLAGUE in the 17th century!
As you say. A completely new thing on this planet. Stuff happening for the first time since the plague and people want to criticise the response to experts based on what exactly?
Hardly, a ream of data to compare with from previous 21st century pandemics. But these people want us to follow the lead of other countries because it suits their agenda, even though we are economically nothing like these other countries. Utter madness. |
For me it suits the idea of less people dying.
I'm rather anxious seeing what the weekend wasted will hold for us. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:36 - Mar 17 with 6825 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:30 - Mar 17 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
I do frequently.
But you are too ignorant to listen.
Earlier up in this thread I praised SB. A bloke I had a big disagreement here with a few months back who I thought was being a massive tool.
On reflection, I didn't agree with everything he did but 80% of that dispute was me being a moron.
This is what people do. We reflect. We realise we are not always right. We listen to others. We take stuff on board. We learn. We evolve.
You just fire off stuff about 'the man', 'society', 'fat cats' and anyone you don't agree with, talk complete rubbish and put your fingers in your ears. |
The fact the government told pubs to stay open has nothing to do with the Insurers that paid Johnson to talk nonsense at a dinner.
The same kind of "fat cats" asking for government bailouts in all this. Welcome to behind the curtain. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:37 - Mar 17 with 6818 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:31 - Mar 17 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
Why would I stop making assumptions about you? I'm on a roll.
Every time I make one, you come along and post something to confirm it. |
So the part where you said I'd ignore advice and I proved I didn't confirms it to you?
I think you need to reassess. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:45 - Mar 17 with 6797 views | Swailsey |
Callis vs the world |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:52 - Mar 17 with 6748 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:34 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
For me it suits the idea of less people dying.
I'm rather anxious seeing what the weekend wasted will hold for us. |
Okay cool.
So let's say we both agree that the only thing that matters is less people dying. Keep deaths to an absolute minimum. I assume you mean COVID 19 related deaths?
What about all the people who will have to live on with being financially crippled? The suicides? The marriages that break down? The mental health issues that develop in our children who might be petrified by this?
What about the people who have to live on with constant pain from the operations they didn't get or the people who were paralysed because we couldn't help them because it was more important stopping others from dying at that time and we only had so many hospital beds?
You are looking at how many people are going to die from this virus. The government is looking at everything. It is MENTAL.
People who don't die are going to lose their jobs. People with no history of mental illness will develop mental illness. People will kill themselves. People will go untreated for other life threatening conditions, heart failure, cancer, all sorts because if the action our government takes maximises the number of new cases that happen alongside each other, we don't have the capacity to cope with everything.
Our NHS was on it's knees BEFORE this pandemic (and yes the Tories have played a part, but now is not the time).
This is not just about people dying now. It's about people killing themselves, dying from other causes and dying from this virus in the future, before you even get started on all the other factors like the quality of life moving forward. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:55 - Mar 17 with 6736 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:36 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
The fact the government told pubs to stay open has nothing to do with the Insurers that paid Johnson to talk nonsense at a dinner.
The same kind of "fat cats" asking for government bailouts in all this. Welcome to behind the curtain. |
For f*ck sake.
EVERYONE is going to be asking for a bailout. Not just Richard Branson.
What happens if you can be paid in full for time off work via a bail out? What happens if they give you a mortgage holiday or rent holiday? What happens if they say you don't have to pay your electric or gas immediately? I suppose Saint Callis will refuse will he?
The airlines have been immediately affected by being closed down and they've asked for a bailout. In time every other business is going to be asking for what they can get or taking what they can. We all will!
I struggle to believe you'd take from the railways but not from the government you despise so you'll be no different. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:55 - Mar 17 with 6734 views | Swansea_Blue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 10:25 - Mar 17 by StokieBlue |
What childcare do you propose?
The only thing which I think would be available would be like holiday clubs and that's no different from sending them to school and having them all mix together so why close schools in the first place?
It's not as black and white as you keep making out.
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I can give you an example. Due to the universities effectively closing, there's a massive pool of young people in the low risk bracket willing to help. A large number of our medical students here have volunteered to babysit in people's houses so that frontline NHS staff can be at work. And being medical students tied to the hospital they already have the links, so arranging this has been pretty simple apparently.
Duplicate that country-wide and you've got a big part of the solution.
Where there's a will, there's a way and all that. |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:56 - Mar 17 with 6730 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
'rest of it'*.
*select Twitter loons who share Callis' beliefs on specially selected subjects. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:56 - Mar 17 with 6729 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:52 - Mar 17 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
Okay cool.
So let's say we both agree that the only thing that matters is less people dying. Keep deaths to an absolute minimum. I assume you mean COVID 19 related deaths?
What about all the people who will have to live on with being financially crippled? The suicides? The marriages that break down? The mental health issues that develop in our children who might be petrified by this?
What about the people who have to live on with constant pain from the operations they didn't get or the people who were paralysed because we couldn't help them because it was more important stopping others from dying at that time and we only had so many hospital beds?
You are looking at how many people are going to die from this virus. The government is looking at everything. It is MENTAL.
People who don't die are going to lose their jobs. People with no history of mental illness will develop mental illness. People will kill themselves. People will go untreated for other life threatening conditions, heart failure, cancer, all sorts because if the action our government takes maximises the number of new cases that happen alongside each other, we don't have the capacity to cope with everything.
Our NHS was on it's knees BEFORE this pandemic (and yes the Tories have played a part, but now is not the time).
This is not just about people dying now. It's about people killing themselves, dying from other causes and dying from this virus in the future, before you even get started on all the other factors like the quality of life moving forward. |
That's my fear exactly. I think as of the weekend it was 3 weeks until the NHS would run out of beds. Not sure what the revised figures are.
It's not just the virus but anything else anyone could get too.
The only part I can't see is if the Government are actually dealing with other factors, as I said in the OP I hope these business measures have teeth. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 15:05 - Mar 17 with 6716 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:56 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
That's my fear exactly. I think as of the weekend it was 3 weeks until the NHS would run out of beds. Not sure what the revised figures are.
It's not just the virus but anything else anyone could get too.
The only part I can't see is if the Government are actually dealing with other factors, as I said in the OP I hope these business measures have teeth. |
Everything I have seen and read from reputable sources suggests that if we isolate too early it's a disaster and if we carried on as normal we'd be choosing who to let die.
So I don't have any issues trusting the people making decisions now, who are somewhere in between those two, are doing it to the best of their ability.
They didn't give a sh*t about Grenfell. They don't have to live there. Why would they?
But this is different. It can kill them or their loved ones just as much as us. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 15:10 - Mar 17 with 6697 views | WD19 |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:34 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
For me it suits the idea of less people dying.
I'm rather anxious seeing what the weekend wasted will hold for us. |
You do realise we will likely never, ever know whether the approach we have been taking as a country was right/wrong......so will never, ever be able to make a firm judgement on it....right?
We are all anxious. Being anxious is fine. Perpetuating more anxiety, well, less so. |  | | |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 15:14 - Mar 17 with 6692 views | Swansea_Blue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 15:05 - Mar 17 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
Everything I have seen and read from reputable sources suggests that if we isolate too early it's a disaster and if we carried on as normal we'd be choosing who to let die.
So I don't have any issues trusting the people making decisions now, who are somewhere in between those two, are doing it to the best of their ability.
They didn't give a sh*t about Grenfell. They don't have to live there. Why would they?
But this is different. It can kill them or their loved ones just as much as us. |
It's the Evans scenario. They may not want to cause untold damage, but....
It's pretty clear they fecked up and have set us back as a result. That's gone and we can't do anything about it (but hopefully our response will be properly reviewed when there's the time, and lessons learnt). Criticising them is no more or less useful than people slavishly defending the flawed way they've handled things so far.
Question now is, what do they do moving forward. That's all that matters now. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 16:18 - Mar 17 with 6639 views | monytowbray |
Saw this on NewStatesman earlier and was going to share but god forbid I criticise this sh1tshow.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2020/03/government-documents-show-n
Also saw this earlier.
Either lying or inept. Take your pick.
They’ve also all been begging on Twitter today for anyone that can manufacturer ventilators to come forward. Ironically it does actually feel like “operation last gasp” for them. [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 16:25]
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 16:29 - Mar 17 with 6599 views | StokieBlue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:55 - Mar 17 by Swansea_Blue |
I can give you an example. Due to the universities effectively closing, there's a massive pool of young people in the low risk bracket willing to help. A large number of our medical students here have volunteered to babysit in people's houses so that frontline NHS staff can be at work. And being medical students tied to the hospital they already have the links, so arranging this has been pretty simple apparently.
Duplicate that country-wide and you've got a big part of the solution.
Where there's a will, there's a way and all that. |
But that is against a number of laws - none of them have been vetted. Perhaps the laws could be waived at this time though.
Wouldn't them going to children and then coming back into the hospital mean they are likely to spread if the children are carriers? This would especially be the case with shifts as different students would go to different houses each time.
How many parents would be fine with unknown people (even if they are medical students and probably very trustworthy) looking after their children for long periods? How will the children be with the strangers?
It's not as simple as you are making out. It could possibly work but would still be a big logistical challenge. It's worth considering though.
SB [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 16:30]
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 16:40 - Mar 17 with 6569 views | GaryCooper |
As someone with higher ethics, standards and radicalism than most, will you accept a vaccine researched and released by Israel that has been tested on Monkeys and various other animals? |  | | |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 17:00 - Mar 17 with 6548 views | Ely_Blue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:55 - Mar 17 by Swansea_Blue |
I can give you an example. Due to the universities effectively closing, there's a massive pool of young people in the low risk bracket willing to help. A large number of our medical students here have volunteered to babysit in people's houses so that frontline NHS staff can be at work. And being medical students tied to the hospital they already have the links, so arranging this has been pretty simple apparently.
Duplicate that country-wide and you've got a big part of the solution.
Where there's a will, there's a way and all that. |
Where have you the info that universities are closing?
I’ll tell you first hand that Cambridge is very much still open, how do I know? My wife works there in one of the departments, you don’t just suspend research particularly on certain subjects, this has to go on, there are more than just students in universities you know [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 17:01]
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 17:49 - Mar 17 with 6483 views | brazil1982 |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 17:00 - Mar 17 by Ely_Blue |
Where have you the info that universities are closing?
I’ll tell you first hand that Cambridge is very much still open, how do I know? My wife works there in one of the departments, you don’t just suspend research particularly on certain subjects, this has to go on, there are more than just students in universities you know [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 17:01]
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Manchester Uni closed until further notice from 5pm. We reckon two months minimum. |  | | |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 18:42 - Mar 17 with 6438 views | Pecker |
So much for you not trying to score "political points". Pathetic thread and should be taken down. This helps no one. |  | | |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 18:45 - Mar 17 with 6431 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 18:42 - Mar 17 by Pecker |
So much for you not trying to score "political points". Pathetic thread and should be taken down. This helps no one. |
Too busy worrying about how I’m gonna pay my rent now if work dries up or I get ill.
Lucky for some. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 18:48 - Mar 17 with 6419 views | GlasgowBlue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 18:45 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
Too busy worrying about how I’m gonna pay my rent now if work dries up or I get ill.
Lucky for some. |
It's easy to arrange a mortgage break with the banks and building societies. Not so with multiple private landlords.
I understand that discussions are taking place on how to aid renters who face financial hardship. The first measure will be a ban on evictions during the coronavirus outbreak but there will need to be much more in terms of financial help. |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 18:57 - Mar 17 with 6400 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 18:48 - Mar 17 by GlasgowBlue |
It's easy to arrange a mortgage break with the banks and building societies. Not so with multiple private landlords.
I understand that discussions are taking place on how to aid renters who face financial hardship. The first measure will be a ban on evictions during the coronavirus outbreak but there will need to be much more in terms of financial help. |
My stress levels are higher than ever really and I’m far from not well off. | |
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