| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter 02:17 - Mar 17 with 33529 views | monytowbray |
I hope his press conference tomorrow puts some strong business and vulnerable people support in place. Although I have no idea what could be done at this point. It’s political unchartered territory.
Why can’t we just have all the info now? Or is this like a Netflix series with a cliffhanger at the end of every episode? What’s episode 3? More information about the pumps teaser? |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:31 - Mar 17 with 1142 views | Swansea_Blue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:11 - Mar 17 by jimmyvet |
You are such a moron go crawl back under the rock you have just left....absolutely moronic but not surprising from you. |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:33 - Mar 17 with 1133 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:28 - Mar 17 by Ely_Blue |
So where do you think kids are safest? At school or out roaming the streets or in supermarkets with their parents?
Would you be happy if someone told you that x% of the frontline services had to be taken offline too early because the parents were at home looking after their kids (the least vulnerable people in our society)rather than looking after the most vulnerable people in our society? Look at the bigger picture not just what is in front of your nose |
We are looking at the bigger picture. The bigger picture is we are the 5th largest economy in the developed world and we shouldn’t need to be debating whether front line staff have the infrastructure to do their job properly. It should be a given they do. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:33 - Mar 17 with 1128 views | homer_123 |
What more information do you want, exactly?
Are you after information that is UK specific and how we plan to handle the situation? Or wider WHO information about what's happening? |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:35 - Mar 17 with 1116 views | Ely_Blue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:33 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
We are looking at the bigger picture. The bigger picture is we are the 5th largest economy in the developed world and we shouldn’t need to be debating whether front line staff have the infrastructure to do their job properly. It should be a given they do. |
But that is a story and an argument for a different time, what is done is done, what we have to deal with is what we are presented with now.
No political agenda of “told you so” about cutting back in the last 10 years is going to solve the current unprecedented situation that no country could have seen coming |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:36 - Mar 17 with 1111 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:33 - Mar 17 by homer_123 |
What more information do you want, exactly?
Are you after information that is UK specific and how we plan to handle the situation? Or wider WHO information about what's happening? |
Where to start? Surely you have your own list of uncertain things with no clarification you’d like to know too? The info we are being fed is pants.
Business support. Feeding less advantaged when schools shut. Income support. Time frame estimates for as long as can be predicted for now. Why aren’t we testing more? Why are schools open when gatherings are banned.
I could go on. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:37 - Mar 17 with 1109 views | DanTheMan |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:24 - Mar 17 by Swansea_Blue |
It is good that we’ve (partially) changed tack now, albeit belatedly. However, plenty of people who know about these things knew we were taking the wrong approach. And then when people on here tried to point that out, they got shouted down by a stock ‘follow the science’ response, when the government weren’t following good science, as now proven.
So you go for it Callis. The government have been useless and their incompetence may well have lead to extra deaths. Even in an attempt to move towards doing the right thing, their switch yesterday hangs some of the most financially vulnerable people out to dry. They’ve a chance to put that right today and hopefully they’ll take it.
Oh, and she can’t answer the schools question because there’s an inconsistency in their approach still. The only answer she could give was ‘we haven’t got enough capacity in front line services to deal with kids being off too’. |
I agree, for whatever reason, whatever models we were using were differing in opinion to the people who were saying this was not going to work. It looks like whatever new evidence it is (news is suggesting this ICL report) is now saying the same thing and they've switched tactics.
I'm sure questions will be asked as to what is was specifically that changed their minds. It's right to criticise them when they've done wrong, and I'm not really getting involved in the "that's political point scoring" arguments as I think they are just a way of shutting people down, personally.
However I do think that this is a fooking hard thing to make decisions about when they are talking about locking the whole country down for months. I doubt the governmental scientific advisers are playing this fast and loose.
You're right also about the effect this is going to have on every day working people. I don't really know how people are going to get by on universal credit, or how businesses that have things like warehouses are supposed to continue to operate.
I guess we'll find out more today with the budget things.
EDIT: And just one final thing, for me, I have absolutely no expertise as to say which scientists are right and wrong, which makes this extra hard to seriously evaluate. [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 8:39]
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:38 - Mar 17 with 1106 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:35 - Mar 17 by Ely_Blue |
But that is a story and an argument for a different time, what is done is done, what we have to deal with is what we are presented with now.
No political agenda of “told you so” about cutting back in the last 10 years is going to solve the current unprecedented situation that no country could have seen coming |
For some this is life and death. The time is now, not later.
That’s the reality you need to remember. Some won’t be fortunate enough to have this debate after. Let’s try to not let that happen as much as we can. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:38 - Mar 17 with 1106 views | No9 |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:33 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
We are looking at the bigger picture. The bigger picture is we are the 5th largest economy in the developed world and we shouldn’t need to be debating whether front line staff have the infrastructure to do their job properly. It should be a given they do. |
Indeed, I just heard on the local news that Ambluance staff ferrying patients are not only not told what infections the patient has but they have no protective clothing an have been told to wash their uniforms at home.
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:39 - Mar 17 with 1102 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:37 - Mar 17 by DanTheMan |
I agree, for whatever reason, whatever models we were using were differing in opinion to the people who were saying this was not going to work. It looks like whatever new evidence it is (news is suggesting this ICL report) is now saying the same thing and they've switched tactics.
I'm sure questions will be asked as to what is was specifically that changed their minds. It's right to criticise them when they've done wrong, and I'm not really getting involved in the "that's political point scoring" arguments as I think they are just a way of shutting people down, personally.
However I do think that this is a fooking hard thing to make decisions about when they are talking about locking the whole country down for months. I doubt the governmental scientific advisers are playing this fast and loose.
You're right also about the effect this is going to have on every day working people. I don't really know how people are going to get by on universal credit, or how businesses that have things like warehouses are supposed to continue to operate.
I guess we'll find out more today with the budget things.
EDIT: And just one final thing, for me, I have absolutely no expertise as to say which scientists are right and wrong, which makes this extra hard to seriously evaluate. [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 8:39]
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You’re one of the good and reasonable ones here Dan. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:40 - Mar 17 with 1096 views | NewcyBlue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 07:36 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
I’m worried this is your last stand on all this. To get personal and claim vendettas.
Usually you are quite reasonable for at least looking at the evidence in front of you.
Calls to have me banned despite doing nothing wrong. Perhaps address what I posted at face value instead? |
Callis, you’ve admitted to health anxiety.
Other people on here have the same thing.
Do you not see what you’re doing is harming them too? I dare say it’s got you up a height.
Have you got anyone to talk to? |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:41 - Mar 17 with 1093 views | Swansea_Blue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:28 - Mar 17 by Ely_Blue |
So where do you think kids are safest? At school or out roaming the streets or in supermarkets with their parents?
Would you be happy if someone told you that x% of the frontline services had to be taken offline too early because the parents were at home looking after their kids (the least vulnerable people in our society)rather than looking after the most vulnerable people in our society? Look at the bigger picture not just what is in front of your nose |
Yes, they have to be balanced, but keeping kids in school isn’t for safety. Keeping schools open was the cornerstone of the previous approach to spread the disease and build up immunity. An approach the government has since said it isn’t following, even though it still is partially. As I said, the NHS hasn’t the capacity to lose workers to look after their kids. That’s the real issue, not kids safety. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:41 - Mar 17 with 1091 views | DanTheMan |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:40 - Mar 17 by NewcyBlue |
Callis, you’ve admitted to health anxiety.
Other people on here have the same thing.
Do you not see what you’re doing is harming them too? I dare say it’s got you up a height.
Have you got anyone to talk to? |
I think there are a few of us with health anxiety on here.
Not a great time for it, has to be said! | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:43 - Mar 17 with 1080 views | No9 |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:28 - Mar 17 by Ely_Blue |
So where do you think kids are safest? At school or out roaming the streets or in supermarkets with their parents?
Would you be happy if someone told you that x% of the frontline services had to be taken offline too early because the parents were at home looking after their kids (the least vulnerable people in our society)rather than looking after the most vulnerable people in our society? Look at the bigger picture not just what is in front of your nose |
The bigger problem is that front line personnel are NOT being tested so if a front line catches the virus their child(ren) could infect the entire school - think about it. | | | |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:44 - Mar 17 with 1078 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:40 - Mar 17 by NewcyBlue |
Callis, you’ve admitted to health anxiety.
Other people on here have the same thing.
Do you not see what you’re doing is harming them too? I dare say it’s got you up a height.
Have you got anyone to talk to? |
I feel like even with my anxieties it’s a collective responsibility to get answers. Probably not doing myself a favour mentally no, but at this point I believe this information needs to spread far and wide.
Anyone with the same issues needs to take their own route to find comfort. The internet may not be the best place for everyone.
If you weren’t some kind of second class citizen with an Xbox instead of a PS4 I’d offer you a game on Fifa ;) | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:45 - Mar 17 with 1078 views | DanTheMan |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:41 - Mar 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Yes, they have to be balanced, but keeping kids in school isn’t for safety. Keeping schools open was the cornerstone of the previous approach to spread the disease and build up immunity. An approach the government has since said it isn’t following, even though it still is partially. As I said, the NHS hasn’t the capacity to lose workers to look after their kids. That’s the real issue, not kids safety. |
I think that's the key thing they've not really explained, although they briefly touched on it with yesterdays briefing.
Because the risk is so low for children, the good outweighs the bad. Better to have them there than have them all at home meaning you take even more people out of work, especially as you say people like health workers. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:45 - Mar 17 with 1075 views | NewcyBlue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:41 - Mar 17 by DanTheMan |
I think there are a few of us with health anxiety on here.
Not a great time for it, has to be said! |
I don’t.
But I am more than willing to talk if anyone needs a chat. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:47 - Mar 17 with 1069 views | bluelagos |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:38 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
For some this is life and death. The time is now, not later.
That’s the reality you need to remember. Some won’t be fortunate enough to have this debate after. Let’s try to not let that happen as much as we can. |
Callis I dont disagree with many of your points, and absolutely the govts response should be challenged rather than us blindly following it (indeed they have already reversed a seemingly distasterous policy)
And I have no problem with the political points, when the time is right.
But my genuine advice, is consider whether this is doing your mental health any good? Cos if it isnt, then you need to prioritise your wellbeing. I speak as someone with some experience of mental health issues and learning to put yourself first is far more important than winning at interent argument.
And to those desperate to argue with you, I'd simply say lay off the lad. He is clearly anxious/agitated and cutting Callis some slack would be a nice thing to do.
Thats me for this thread, too much social media isnt good for me either! [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 8:51]
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:47 - Mar 17 with 1068 views | NewcyBlue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:39 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
You’re one of the good and reasonable ones here Dan. |
Dan really is one of the best around.
When he says that it seems that all that has happened is new evidence has come to light, and the government have changed tack, I would be inclined to agree with him.
After all this is done, we can hold people to account, whether that be praising them or not.
Let’s just get this thing over with first. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:48 - Mar 17 with 1063 views | NewcyBlue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:44 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
I feel like even with my anxieties it’s a collective responsibility to get answers. Probably not doing myself a favour mentally no, but at this point I believe this information needs to spread far and wide.
Anyone with the same issues needs to take their own route to find comfort. The internet may not be the best place for everyone.
If you weren’t some kind of second class citizen with an Xbox instead of a PS4 I’d offer you a game on Fifa ;) |
Ha. Don’t worry, a game of Fifa would be shocking.
I run around in circles and can barely defend.
I’m Ipswich. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:50 - Mar 17 with 1058 views | Ely_Blue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:36 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
Where to start? Surely you have your own list of uncertain things with no clarification you’d like to know too? The info we are being fed is pants.
Business support. Feeding less advantaged when schools shut. Income support. Time frame estimates for as long as can be predicted for now. Why aren’t we testing more? Why are schools open when gatherings are banned.
I could go on. |
And how do these thing affect you? Where are your kids right now.... oh you don’t have any, how about you focus on what is important to YOU rather than your constant bile that you spout whilst running around 24/7 flapping like a f@nny | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:51 - Mar 17 with 1050 views | Swansea_Blue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:37 - Mar 17 by DanTheMan |
I agree, for whatever reason, whatever models we were using were differing in opinion to the people who were saying this was not going to work. It looks like whatever new evidence it is (news is suggesting this ICL report) is now saying the same thing and they've switched tactics.
I'm sure questions will be asked as to what is was specifically that changed their minds. It's right to criticise them when they've done wrong, and I'm not really getting involved in the "that's political point scoring" arguments as I think they are just a way of shutting people down, personally.
However I do think that this is a fooking hard thing to make decisions about when they are talking about locking the whole country down for months. I doubt the governmental scientific advisers are playing this fast and loose.
You're right also about the effect this is going to have on every day working people. I don't really know how people are going to get by on universal credit, or how businesses that have things like warehouses are supposed to continue to operate.
I guess we'll find out more today with the budget things.
EDIT: And just one final thing, for me, I have absolutely no expertise as to say which scientists are right and wrong, which makes this extra hard to seriously evaluate. [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 8:39]
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Yes, very hard to make such big decisions and easy to criticise.
Your edit is key. Science is an approach that helps evolves knowledge. It’s never absolute in time. It requires openness and challenge by the scientific community to build confidence. Alarm bells rang for me when the government wouldn’t share data they were basing their decisions were on, so other scientists could evaluate. The public don’t know enough to evaluate the approach to this, but other relevant scientists do - when they’re excluded, everyone should ask why. The government haven’t been science-led, they’ve been almost anti-science. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:52 - Mar 17 with 1046 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:47 - Mar 17 by NewcyBlue |
Dan really is one of the best around.
When he says that it seems that all that has happened is new evidence has come to light, and the government have changed tack, I would be inclined to agree with him.
After all this is done, we can hold people to account, whether that be praising them or not.
Let’s just get this thing over with first. |
If Brexit is anything to go by accountability is something we struggle to make stick so here’s hoping.
As I said, I’ve been a lot better on the anxiety front the last couple of days, but seeing this unfold and the way Johnson and co are handling it is depressingly making me feel even my more jokingly put politically extreme points may be closer to the truth than I’d have hoped. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:53 - Mar 17 with 1032 views | DanTheMan |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:51 - Mar 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Yes, very hard to make such big decisions and easy to criticise.
Your edit is key. Science is an approach that helps evolves knowledge. It’s never absolute in time. It requires openness and challenge by the scientific community to build confidence. Alarm bells rang for me when the government wouldn’t share data they were basing their decisions were on, so other scientists could evaluate. The public don’t know enough to evaluate the approach to this, but other relevant scientists do - when they’re excluded, everyone should ask why. The government haven’t been science-led, they’ve been almost anti-science. |
I'm hoping they are going to be a bit more open from this point on. Daily briefings should help. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:54 - Mar 17 with 1189 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:50 - Mar 17 by Ely_Blue |
And how do these thing affect you? Where are your kids right now.... oh you don’t have any, how about you focus on what is important to YOU rather than your constant bile that you spout whilst running around 24/7 flapping like a f@nny |
Errr, I do have a kid. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:54 - Mar 17 with 1184 views | Lord_Lucan |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 08:24 - Mar 17 by Swansea_Blue |
It is good that we’ve (partially) changed tack now, albeit belatedly. However, plenty of people who know about these things knew we were taking the wrong approach. And then when people on here tried to point that out, they got shouted down by a stock ‘follow the science’ response, when the government weren’t following good science, as now proven.
So you go for it Callis. The government have been useless and their incompetence may well have lead to extra deaths. Even in an attempt to move towards doing the right thing, their switch yesterday hangs some of the most financially vulnerable people out to dry. They’ve a chance to put that right today and hopefully they’ll take it.
Oh, and she can’t answer the schools question because there’s an inconsistency in their approach still. The only answer she could give was ‘we haven’t got enough capacity in front line services to deal with kids being off too’. |
No. I think you are wrong, as for Callis I haven't really commented that much on his stance, needless to say I think he's acting like a bit of a knob. I am sure he thinks I am one too.
Over the past year or two we have had many heated arguments on here over politics and although you may disagree it's as plain as day that Callis is using a worldwide pandemic to scream like a kid.
Many in the anti Boris camp are looking at this with a greater deal of balance and it's warming to see a sort of togetherness. We are in uncharted waters and we all need to support each other, support actions directed by the government experts and deal with things like grown ups.
Boris Johnson does not lay in his bed deciding what route to take in the morning, government relies on expert advice and from day one it has been advised that things will change and move as we go on. Individuals of course can also take their own actions.
There may be time for reflection down the line but I'm frankly sick of Armchair Anarchists. |  |
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