Capable UK Prime Ministers 14:04 - Mar 18 with 1713 views | Lord_Lucan | It's an interesting point which I was discussing with Corbynista RKD It's not a case of party politics but more the leader of the said parties. I think Corbyn would frazzle under this pressure, as would Theresa May, however I think Tony Blair would really step up to the plate - and I am not a Blair fan. Heath and Wilson would be 50/50 although I would take Wilson over Heath. Major would be ok. I can't make my mind up about Thatcher Edit; I forgot about Cameron and Callaghan. Cameron about 50/50, Callaghan - disaster. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 14:19]
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 14:10 - Mar 18 with 1668 views | BlueNomad | Wilson - calm and objective Heath - not strong enough Callaghan - crisis what crisis? Thatcher - a decisive leader so she would have been good Major - great manager who was always calm Blair - would have been excellent Brown - would have been calm Cameron - would have been ok May - disastrous Johnson - no leadership, blowing in the wind. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 14:13]
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 14:14 - Mar 18 with 1644 views | uefacup81 |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 14:10 - Mar 18 by BlueNomad | Wilson - calm and objective Heath - not strong enough Callaghan - crisis what crisis? Thatcher - a decisive leader so she would have been good Major - great manager who was always calm Blair - would have been excellent Brown - would have been calm Cameron - would have been ok May - disastrous Johnson - no leadership, blowing in the wind. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 14:13]
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Agreed, Thatcher would have been calm and decisive, but would those decisions benefit those who need it most? Case in point, the policy for Liverpool to become the subject of a 'managed decline'. | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 14:14 - Mar 18 with 1627 views | BlueBadger |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 14:14 - Mar 18 by uefacup81 | Agreed, Thatcher would have been calm and decisive, but would those decisions benefit those who need it most? Case in point, the policy for Liverpool to become the subject of a 'managed decline'. |
And would she have been willing to walk back bad decisions? | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 14:15 - Mar 18 with 1627 views | monytowbray |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 14:10 - Mar 18 by BlueNomad | Wilson - calm and objective Heath - not strong enough Callaghan - crisis what crisis? Thatcher - a decisive leader so she would have been good Major - great manager who was always calm Blair - would have been excellent Brown - would have been calm Cameron - would have been ok May - disastrous Johnson - no leadership, blowing in the wind. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 14:13]
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Cameron lost any faith I could have with his reckless Brexit approach to win votes so it would be a no for him. I'd trust May more, I don't think she did a bad job (as far as that lot go IMO) but she did pick up the sh1tty stick from the sh1tty end, Boris just came in and polished the remaining poo off when it was already all over her hands. Not sure about the rest, I could only really comment on Blair and Brown in my adult life, neither of them particularly fill me with confidence from the Iraq War and the Banks Bailout approaches. | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 14:35 - Mar 18 with 1576 views | Swansea_Blue | Prime Ministers are like London buses. You wait years for a bad one and then three come along at once | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 15:06 - Mar 18 with 1510 views | Bugs | Johnson, the waffle, the ambiguity, the lack of clarity, the lack of leadership and his history of incompetence, makes me wish any of the people below were PM now. Corbyn has endured 5 years media attacks that no leader, or opposition leader, has had to endure in our countries history. He's a lot tougher, resolute than people think. May, I think she would not have been a BJ disaster, but not great. Cameron, I despise the man, but I actually think he would have done a good job in this crisis. Brown, despite what many think of him in this country gained world wide respect with his handling of the financial crisis. That gives an indication that he would have been good in the current situation. Blair, yeah I have little doubt he would have been a good PM to have now. Major, I'm not so certain about, can't make up my mind on him. Thatcher, as a chemist she would have seen straight away, that any scientific advice that is an outlier from the rest of the world and the WHO, better have mighty good evidence behind it. There would also be no ambiguity from the government. It wouldn't be maybe perhaps you shouldn't go to pubs and clubs . It would be all pubs and clubs WILL be shut. I hated the women BTW. Pre Thatcher is before my time. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 15:07]
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 15:09 - Mar 18 with 1494 views | monytowbray |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 15:06 - Mar 18 by Bugs | Johnson, the waffle, the ambiguity, the lack of clarity, the lack of leadership and his history of incompetence, makes me wish any of the people below were PM now. Corbyn has endured 5 years media attacks that no leader, or opposition leader, has had to endure in our countries history. He's a lot tougher, resolute than people think. May, I think she would not have been a BJ disaster, but not great. Cameron, I despise the man, but I actually think he would have done a good job in this crisis. Brown, despite what many think of him in this country gained world wide respect with his handling of the financial crisis. That gives an indication that he would have been good in the current situation. Blair, yeah I have little doubt he would have been a good PM to have now. Major, I'm not so certain about, can't make up my mind on him. Thatcher, as a chemist she would have seen straight away, that any scientific advice that is an outlier from the rest of the world and the WHO, better have mighty good evidence behind it. There would also be no ambiguity from the government. It wouldn't be maybe perhaps you shouldn't go to pubs and clubs . It would be all pubs and clubs WILL be shut. I hated the women BTW. Pre Thatcher is before my time. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 15:07]
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My Dad wasn't a Thatcher fan but often reminds me she did make some strong pro-environmental moves so I think you're right. I'd expect science on a global scale would have guided her more. And maybe she'd have took the dangers more serious earlier on. Then again she'd have very different technology and communication means. I feel maybe part of the reason the government was so dismissive is even the population was for the most part. We see so much scare mongering in the press and on social media I think we've become blind to it. | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 15:10 - Mar 18 with 1499 views | BlueBadger |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 15:06 - Mar 18 by Bugs | Johnson, the waffle, the ambiguity, the lack of clarity, the lack of leadership and his history of incompetence, makes me wish any of the people below were PM now. Corbyn has endured 5 years media attacks that no leader, or opposition leader, has had to endure in our countries history. He's a lot tougher, resolute than people think. May, I think she would not have been a BJ disaster, but not great. Cameron, I despise the man, but I actually think he would have done a good job in this crisis. Brown, despite what many think of him in this country gained world wide respect with his handling of the financial crisis. That gives an indication that he would have been good in the current situation. Blair, yeah I have little doubt he would have been a good PM to have now. Major, I'm not so certain about, can't make up my mind on him. Thatcher, as a chemist she would have seen straight away, that any scientific advice that is an outlier from the rest of the world and the WHO, better have mighty good evidence behind it. There would also be no ambiguity from the government. It wouldn't be maybe perhaps you shouldn't go to pubs and clubs . It would be all pubs and clubs WILL be shut. I hated the women BTW. Pre Thatcher is before my time. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 15:07]
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I rather suspect that Corbyn would have dithered, hid, issued advice contradictory to the official line and then blamed it on the Israeli secret service, if his performance over the past five years is anything to go by. Neither of the main leaders in the last election would have suited to our current Interesting Times. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 15:11]
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 17:07 - Mar 18 with 1310 views | solemio | We need Clement Attlee. Simply the best. | | | |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 17:10 - Mar 18 with 1303 views | hampstead_blue | There can be only two..... Maggie Winston | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 17:29 - Mar 18 with 1274 views | baxterbasics | Mrs T would be kicking ass and taking names. | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 17:52 - Mar 18 with 1233 views | BloomBlue | Disagree on Wilson he couldn't even stand up to the unions would be terrible in this situation Heath 50/50 Corbyn would be no where couldn't make a decision over the Salisbury situation when the Russians could have killed more and he always breaks under pressure Blair would be OK but would he actually read the evidence Thatcher would have stormed this, would be the best leader in this situation Cameron and Callaghan would be a failure May & Brown I think would be good in this situation, maybe neither was great overall as a leader I think in these situations they both had the ability to remain calm | | | |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 17:58 - Mar 18 with 1212 views | tractordownsouth | Out of all the PMs we’ve had in the last 50 years, I think Brown would have been the most calm and authoritative in the situation and I’m sure he would have been willing to increase sick pay for the most vulnerable. | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 17:59 - Mar 18 with 1207 views | jeera | If you listen to McDonnell speak he comes across as a considerate man. Fan or not your son has a point regarding Corbyn with him at his side. Thatcher would cut off the most needy, seeing them as trash that needed to be culled. They would be her fodder. Major would be fine. Blair would also be on par with Major. Brown would put the economy first and still get it wrong. Cameron would be out of his depth. | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:03 - Mar 18 with 1193 views | tractordownsouth |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 14:15 - Mar 18 by monytowbray | Cameron lost any faith I could have with his reckless Brexit approach to win votes so it would be a no for him. I'd trust May more, I don't think she did a bad job (as far as that lot go IMO) but she did pick up the sh1tty stick from the sh1tty end, Boris just came in and polished the remaining poo off when it was already all over her hands. Not sure about the rest, I could only really comment on Blair and Brown in my adult life, neither of them particularly fill me with confidence from the Iraq War and the Banks Bailout approaches. |
Brown had to bail out the banks. Of course we shouldn’t have got to that position in the first place, but once we did, he couldn’t just let them fold. Millions of people would have lost savings and the subsequent austerity would have been even worse. | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:06 - Mar 18 with 1186 views | jeera |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:03 - Mar 18 by tractordownsouth | Brown had to bail out the banks. Of course we shouldn’t have got to that position in the first place, but once we did, he couldn’t just let them fold. Millions of people would have lost savings and the subsequent austerity would have been even worse. |
Brown was chancellor for years. If anyone in this country should have had some insight, especially with the expert support he had of the civil service, it was him. | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:11 - Mar 18 with 1173 views | Clapham_Junction | I thought Gordon Brown did a very good job of handling the last major crisis. Given what he did the morning after the referendum result, I doubt Cameron would have been up to it. I would guess that a PM's ability to handle a major crisis like this is strongly linked to how willing they are to work as equals with experts in the civil service and listen to advice, and how well respected they are by the general population (another reason I think Cameron would fail badly). | | | |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:14 - Mar 18 with 1164 views | tractordownsouth |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:06 - Mar 18 by jeera | Brown was chancellor for years. If anyone in this country should have had some insight, especially with the expert support he had of the civil service, it was him. |
True, but not many chancellors/ finance ministers saw it coming. | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:20 - Mar 18 with 1136 views | jeera |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:14 - Mar 18 by tractordownsouth | True, but not many chancellors/ finance ministers saw it coming. |
With respect my friend... It's a different perspective when you've lived through someone's 'reign' as an adult and experienced the consequences first hand, than to have read about it, no matter at what length. I repeat, no disrespect to you personally. | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:22 - Mar 18 with 1122 views | tractordownsouth |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:20 - Mar 18 by jeera | With respect my friend... It's a different perspective when you've lived through someone's 'reign' as an adult and experienced the consequences first hand, than to have read about it, no matter at what length. I repeat, no disrespect to you personally. |
Fair enough, agree to disagree. Although we’re probably in agreement that most of New Labour’s failings were due to their more free market policies rather than their public spending, despite the Tory narrative. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 18:23]
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:31 - Mar 18 with 1104 views | jeera |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:22 - Mar 18 by tractordownsouth | Fair enough, agree to disagree. Although we’re probably in agreement that most of New Labour’s failings were due to their more free market policies rather than their public spending, despite the Tory narrative. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 18:23]
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We know where the Blair governance went wrong. And the power he gave to those around him to keep them onside; the promises. Don't try this one on, I lost a lot to these decisions. You were a child being kept by your mum and dad. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 18:36]
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:34 - Mar 18 with 1097 views | jeera |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 15:10 - Mar 18 by BlueBadger | I rather suspect that Corbyn would have dithered, hid, issued advice contradictory to the official line and then blamed it on the Israeli secret service, if his performance over the past five years is anything to go by. Neither of the main leaders in the last election would have suited to our current Interesting Times. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 15:11]
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"I rather suspect" = I guess. Put you down as a don't know then. Wild speculation doesn't count. | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:36 - Mar 18 with 1090 views | Bluefish | Cameron would have excelled with something like this. If it had happened back then he would be so in control that he wouldn't need to gamble on the referendum.....oh what might have been. Blair would be too busy trying to lie to validate every mad Trump comment and agreeing with Donald | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:38 - Mar 18 with 1084 views | jeera |
Capable UK Prime Ministers on 18:36 - Mar 18 by Bluefish | Cameron would have excelled with something like this. If it had happened back then he would be so in control that he wouldn't need to gamble on the referendum.....oh what might have been. Blair would be too busy trying to lie to validate every mad Trump comment and agreeing with Donald |
That doesn't even make sense. | |
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Capable UK Prime Ministers on 19:16 - Mar 18 with 1053 views | Pecker | I'm happy with Boris. Think he is doing a great job in troubled and uncertain times. Failing him, I would take Wilson over the others. | | | |
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