| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet 19:48 - Mar 29 with 10740 views | tractordownsouth |
A few leaks today have suggested that Rachel Reeves will become new shadow chancellor, when Keir inevtiably wins. Not too keen on that myself.
Which names do my fellow paid up leftie tree huggers or people who'd be open to voting labour want to see in prominent jobs?
A few I'd put out there are: Dan Jarvis, Yvette Cooper, Stephen Kinnock, Lisa Nandy, Ian Murray, Roseena Allin Khan and Chris Bryant. Would quite like Ed Miliband back in some capacity too as he clearly has some good knowledge, if not the leadership qualities.
Of the current lot, I wouldn't mind having RLB as environment sec. due to her green industrial revolution policy, as Keir has said both her and Nandy will be given roles. Barry Gardiner and Jonathan Ashworth seem fairly sensible and Angela Rayner will rightly be in there when she inevitably becomes deputy leader. I think it's important to keep a few of them around to maintain unity, but there does need to be a big clearout. |  |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 13:23 - Mar 30 with 1859 views | tractordownsouth |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 11:08 - Mar 30 by Churchman |
So a worldwide pandemic that I thought started in Wuhan, China is largely down to the tories. Wow. |
You have completely missed the point. | |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 15:37 - Mar 30 with 1810 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 11:08 - Mar 30 by Churchman |
So a worldwide pandemic that I thought started in Wuhan, China is largely down to the tories. Wow. |
Dear cretin - in case you hadn't noticed the Tories have destroyed care in the community, slashed vital services way beyond the bone, cut a dysfunctional NHS way below standards where it can function effieciently - then compounded a decade of suicidal error by inviting the country to devalue tis currency and hamstring its economy..... I put it to you that none of these options is sensible even in 'normal times' - and was not the ideal preparation for current events..
Leaving the country unable to respond adequately to a global pandemic - and doubling down by not acting in the national or international interest until it is too late is something that should come back to bite them... IF Labour can form an sensible platform and mantra for the next four years.
Probably wont happen though so rest easy in your ignorance. |  |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 15:44 - Mar 30 with 1799 views | flimflam |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 12:56 - Mar 30 by Tonytown |
The under equipped and under funded NHS are their fault though is the point |
Not sure that any health service in the world is able to cope with the current situation. |  |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 16:03 - Mar 30 with 1784 views | Churchman |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 15:37 - Mar 30 by ElephantintheRoom |
Dear cretin - in case you hadn't noticed the Tories have destroyed care in the community, slashed vital services way beyond the bone, cut a dysfunctional NHS way below standards where it can function effieciently - then compounded a decade of suicidal error by inviting the country to devalue tis currency and hamstring its economy..... I put it to you that none of these options is sensible even in 'normal times' - and was not the ideal preparation for current events..
Leaving the country unable to respond adequately to a global pandemic - and doubling down by not acting in the national or international interest until it is too late is something that should come back to bite them... IF Labour can form an sensible platform and mantra for the next four years.
Probably wont happen though so rest easy in your ignorance. |
Calling somebody a cretin really isn’t very nice is it. May I suggest that you restrict yourself to using language that you would use to somebody face to face? |  | | |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 16:05 - Mar 30 with 1781 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 15:44 - Mar 30 by flimflam |
Not sure that any health service in the world is able to cope with the current situation. |
Germany have 4x the number of hospital beds, care in the community and vastly more healthcare staff.... last week they did 400,000 covid tests.
Having a strong economy and spending a bit of it on healthcare is perhaps gives countries a better chance - thevpoint being that a country with a strong economy will be better placed to recover from current events.
And having suicidally weakened ours just before all this was perhaps an accident waiting to happen. | |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 16:54 - Apr 4 with 1690 views | tractordownsouth |
Jim Pickard and others say the core of the shadow cabinet is likely to consist of:
Shadow Chancellor: Anneliese Dodds
Shadow Foreign Sec: Jo Stevens
Shadow Home Sec: Nick Thomas Symonds
Jo Stevens is the MP in my uni constituency, haven't met her personally but she's popular in the area and was one of Keir's biggest cheerleaders so it makes sense. Thomas- Symonds is another Welsh MP and Dodds is a Scot ( although an MP in Oxford.) Interesting geographic mix but none are particularly big names.
Still think we need some better known people in there but that doesn't seem like a bad start, if true. | |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:01 - Apr 4 with 1673 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 22:12 - Mar 29 by Clapham_Junction |
Would be great to see Ed Milliband and Hilary Benn back. I also hope Clive Lewis gets a prominent job, and I think my local MP Rushanara Ali and Ben Bradshaw would be good shadow cabinet members. Longer term, it would be good to get Andy Burnham back.
I would be very disappointed to see any MP from the group that actively campaigned against the party prior to the 2017 election (which probably cost it the opportunity to oust Theresa May) allowed anywhere near the shadow cabinet, and that includes Kinnock and Jarvis.
Like Herbivore, I've not been impressed by Gardiner, and I don't think RLB would be good to include (sadly I suspect she'll become the new Diane Abbott in terms of who the nastier elements of the right focus on). Nandy is just so bloody depressing. |
Blaming the Labour MP's who tried to replace Corbyn for the 2017 election defeat is like blaming the bloke in the Crows nest of the Titanic who shouted "Iceberg ahead" for the delay in the ship getting to New York. |  |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:05 - Apr 4 with 1667 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 16:54 - Apr 4 by tractordownsouth |
Jim Pickard and others say the core of the shadow cabinet is likely to consist of:
Shadow Chancellor: Anneliese Dodds
Shadow Foreign Sec: Jo Stevens
Shadow Home Sec: Nick Thomas Symonds
Jo Stevens is the MP in my uni constituency, haven't met her personally but she's popular in the area and was one of Keir's biggest cheerleaders so it makes sense. Thomas- Symonds is another Welsh MP and Dodds is a Scot ( although an MP in Oxford.) Interesting geographic mix but none are particularly big names.
Still think we need some better known people in there but that doesn't seem like a bad start, if true. |
Dr Rosena Allin-Khan should get a top job. She came from nowhere to finish second in the Deputy Leadership election.
One to watch. | |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:41 - Apr 4 with 1638 views | tractordownsouth |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:05 - Apr 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Dr Rosena Allin-Khan should get a top job. She came from nowhere to finish second in the Deputy Leadership election.
One to watch. |
Shadow health secretary seems the obvious choice for her, although I think Starmer will keep Ashworth in post during the Covid lockdown.
Nandy would be a good communities sec, although I’d ideally want her to have a more prominent role. Ian Murray has also done well during the campaign and Dan Jarvis will hopefully be promoted to the front bench at last. | |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 15:58 - Apr 5 with 1550 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:41 - Apr 4 by tractordownsouth |
Shadow health secretary seems the obvious choice for her, although I think Starmer will keep Ashworth in post during the Covid lockdown.
Nandy would be a good communities sec, although I’d ideally want her to have a more prominent role. Ian Murray has also done well during the campaign and Dan Jarvis will hopefully be promoted to the front bench at last. |
Barry Gardiner is out. And Ian Lavery. Hopefully Bugin is out on his arse as well. | |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 16:11 - Apr 5 with 1536 views | tractordownsouth |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 15:58 - Apr 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Barry Gardiner is out. And Ian Lavery. Hopefully Bugin is out on his arse as well. |
No way will Burgon stay. Trickett's out too.
I can't say I'm shedding any tears over Barry Gardiner but I thought he usually came across quite well.
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:15 - Apr 5 with 1502 views | tractordownsouth |
Properly pleased with this. My only gripe so far is Rachel Reeves but it's a minor role. | |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:21 - Apr 5 with 1495 views | Darth_Koont |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:15 - Apr 5 by tractordownsouth |
Properly pleased with this. My only gripe so far is Rachel Reeves but it's a minor role. |
Nandy's support for Palestine, international law and human rights will certainly be interesting in an official capacity. |  |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:29 - Apr 5 with 1483 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:21 - Apr 5 by Darth_Koont |
Nandy's support for Palestine, international law and human rights will certainly be interesting in an official capacity. |
A great appointment.
Lisa Nandy endorsed by the JLM by GlasgowBlue 14 Feb 2020 17:43Lisa Nandy, Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine has been nominated as leader by the Jewish Labour Movement.
All those cult followers who claimed the antisemitism crisis was just about Israel have nowhere to hide.
Lisa Nandy nails it in this speech.
https://twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1228228363568865281?s=21
We have the Shadow FS who is the chair of Labour Friends of Palestine and about to have a Pakestinian leader of the Lib Dem’s.
Both strong advocates for a two state solution and both vocal in calling out the rampant antisemitism that has infected left wing politics which has been dressed up as support for Palestinian rights.
Check mate for the likes of Willsman and Williamson. | |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:38 - Apr 5 with 1467 views | tractordownsouth |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:29 - Apr 5 by GlasgowBlue |
A great appointment.
Lisa Nandy endorsed by the JLM by GlasgowBlue 14 Feb 2020 17:43Lisa Nandy, Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine has been nominated as leader by the Jewish Labour Movement.
All those cult followers who claimed the antisemitism crisis was just about Israel have nowhere to hide.
Lisa Nandy nails it in this speech.
https://twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1228228363568865281?s=21
We have the Shadow FS who is the chair of Labour Friends of Palestine and about to have a Pakestinian leader of the Lib Dem’s.
Both strong advocates for a two state solution and both vocal in calling out the rampant antisemitism that has infected left wing politics which has been dressed up as support for Palestinian rights.
Check mate for the likes of Willsman and Williamson. |
Can't express how chuffed I am so far with this - feel like I can properly support Labour again rather than merely saying " At least they're not the Tories" [Post edited 5 Apr 2020 17:38]
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:38 - Apr 5 with 1464 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:15 - Apr 5 by tractordownsouth |
Properly pleased with this. My only gripe so far is Rachel Reeves but it's a minor role. |
RR is shadowing Gove.
No high profile job for Jezza yet? | |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:44 - Apr 5 with 1452 views | Darth_Koont |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:29 - Apr 5 by GlasgowBlue |
A great appointment.
Lisa Nandy endorsed by the JLM by GlasgowBlue 14 Feb 2020 17:43Lisa Nandy, Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine has been nominated as leader by the Jewish Labour Movement.
All those cult followers who claimed the antisemitism crisis was just about Israel have nowhere to hide.
Lisa Nandy nails it in this speech.
https://twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1228228363568865281?s=21
We have the Shadow FS who is the chair of Labour Friends of Palestine and about to have a Pakestinian leader of the Lib Dem’s.
Both strong advocates for a two state solution and both vocal in calling out the rampant antisemitism that has infected left wing politics which has been dressed up as support for Palestinian rights.
Check mate for the likes of Willsman and Williamson. |
No, surely it's checkmate for people who talk about a two-state solution but never do anything about it.
Finally someone who isn't just paying lip service to it as they're actually coming from the Palestinian perspective, rather than trying to fudge it and end the discussion. | |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:48 - Apr 5 with 1436 views | Darth_Koont |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:38 - Apr 5 by tractordownsouth |
Can't express how chuffed I am so far with this - feel like I can properly support Labour again rather than merely saying " At least they're not the Tories" [Post edited 5 Apr 2020 17:38]
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We'll see. I've never been a Labour supporter until the recent shift away from Blair's banal centrism that wasn't actually addressing the major issues in the country.
I think Starmer is still genuinely motivated by his beliefs and ideas of justice and equality. But he needs to keep championing policy and stopping Labour slipping back into the ultimately futile party political game. | |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 18:06 - Apr 5 with 1413 views | mrshallisfit |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 16:03 - Mar 30 by Churchman |
Calling somebody a cretin really isn’t very nice is it. May I suggest that you restrict yourself to using language that you would use to somebody face to face? |
true. In normal circumstances. But your posts generally show a high level of dumbf@#kery. | | | |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 19:04 - Apr 5 with 1375 views | BloomBlue |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:48 - Apr 5 by Darth_Koont |
We'll see. I've never been a Labour supporter until the recent shift away from Blair's banal centrism that wasn't actually addressing the major issues in the country.
I think Starmer is still genuinely motivated by his beliefs and ideas of justice and equality. But he needs to keep championing policy and stopping Labour slipping back into the ultimately futile party political game. |
I thought he sounded good on the Marr show this morning until Marr started to push him about should the Government defer the EU transition period beyond the end of the year and then it sounded like he has shares in Corbyn's fencing company |  | | |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 19:16 - Apr 5 with 1368 views | midastouch |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 19:50 - Mar 29 by Herbivore |
I've always been deeply unimpressed by Barry Gardiner. |
Agreed, you never get a quick or concise answer with him. It doesn't seem to matter what he gets asked, he always seems to find a way of turning it into a monologue. |  |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 19:24 - Apr 5 with 1354 views | Trequartista |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 17:48 - Apr 5 by Darth_Koont |
We'll see. I've never been a Labour supporter until the recent shift away from Blair's banal centrism that wasn't actually addressing the major issues in the country.
I think Starmer is still genuinely motivated by his beliefs and ideas of justice and equality. But he needs to keep championing policy and stopping Labour slipping back into the ultimately futile party political game. |
He needs to make them electable first and foremost, otherwise everything else is moot. |  |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 19:54 - Apr 5 with 1332 views | Darth_Koont |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 19:24 - Apr 5 by Trequartista |
He needs to make them electable first and foremost, otherwise everything else is moot. |
Blair was electable. But he steered Labour (and the country) away from the policies and values that would be truly progressive.
It was a massive missed opportunity. We've been reaping that ever since with still massive social and regional inequality and a pretty trite political debate. Having an opposition that promotes and talks about a real vision of the future beyond market forces and rather of society's best is hugely important.
We're electing a government and a path forwards. But over the last decades that's deteriorated into a vote between the Tories and Not-As-Bad-As-The-Tories.Let's actually have an opposition and eventual government that stands for something else and based in the 21st century and its challenges too. | |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 22:27 - Apr 5 with 1295 views | Radlett_blue |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 19:54 - Apr 5 by Darth_Koont |
Blair was electable. But he steered Labour (and the country) away from the policies and values that would be truly progressive.
It was a massive missed opportunity. We've been reaping that ever since with still massive social and regional inequality and a pretty trite political debate. Having an opposition that promotes and talks about a real vision of the future beyond market forces and rather of society's best is hugely important.
We're electing a government and a path forwards. But over the last decades that's deteriorated into a vote between the Tories and Not-As-Bad-As-The-Tories.Let's actually have an opposition and eventual government that stands for something else and based in the 21st century and its challenges too. |
Corbyn offered a complete alternative, but the the electorate didn't vote for it. That's democracy in action. |  |
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| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 22:46 - Apr 5 with 1280 views | Darth_Koont |
| Keir Starmer shadow cabinet on 22:27 - Apr 5 by Radlett_blue |
Corbyn offered a complete alternative, but the the electorate didn't vote for it. That's democracy in action. |
Indeed. Against a campaign fought by the majority of the press and on social media where no lie or smear was deemed too outrageous.
But we're seeing how reality changes what people believe or want to believe:
- The NHS and its staff need a lot more support
- The vulnerable in society need more support
- Things like broadband internet are almost as important as electricity in a modern society
- There is money available
- We all have a responsibility and if that includes paying more then so be it
I'm pretty sure we'll all disappear back into the bubble of self-delusion and self-interest when this is all over but hopefully not to the same extent. There are basic truths that now can't be denied quite as easily. | |
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