| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... 08:36 - Mar 30 with 3548 views | hampstead_blue |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 08:38 - Mar 30 with 2283 views | Lord_Lucan |
Religion causes death shocker. |  |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 08:39 - Mar 30 with 2279 views | StokieBlue |
Madness, although there is very little C-19 in Russia don't forget - Putin told us so.
As an aside, that church in the first photo is very impressive if anyone visits St. Petersburg:
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 08:48 - Mar 30 with 2238 views | sparks |
This is precisely what I was talking about the other day when I argued that religious beliefs affect day to day decisions which can do harm even amongst the 'I'm not pushing it on anyone else ' mindset. |  |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 08:51 - Mar 30 with 2225 views | hampstead_blue |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 08:39 - Mar 30 by StokieBlue |
Madness, although there is very little C-19 in Russia don't forget - Putin told us so.
As an aside, that church in the first photo is very impressive if anyone visits St. Petersburg:
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One question I'd love to have answered will be just how bad it will get when the virus gets into the poorer countryside areas of Russia?
It will literally scythe through those communities and I don't hold out much hope for the poor souls.
We'll never know, but. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 08:59 - Mar 30 with 2207 views | StokieBlue |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 08:51 - Mar 30 by hampstead_blue |
One question I'd love to have answered will be just how bad it will get when the virus gets into the poorer countryside areas of Russia?
It will literally scythe through those communities and I don't hold out much hope for the poor souls.
We'll never know, but. |
They might be fairly isolated though.
There aren't many main roads to those places, only really between the big cities and the trains have been stopped and Moscow and St. Petersburg are in lockdown.
If it gets to the smaller towns and villages it won't be good.
The same can be said about parts of Central America and Africa though.
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 09:10 - Mar 30 with 2183 views | Lord_Lucan |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 08:59 - Mar 30 by StokieBlue |
They might be fairly isolated though.
There aren't many main roads to those places, only really between the big cities and the trains have been stopped and Moscow and St. Petersburg are in lockdown.
If it gets to the smaller towns and villages it won't be good.
The same can be said about parts of Central America and Africa though.
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Unless the heat can affect the spread of the virus (and looking at Iran it's doubtful) it could be carnage in India, Pakistan, Brazil etc | |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 09:19 - Mar 30 with 2156 views | StokieBlue |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 09:10 - Mar 30 by Lord_Lucan |
Unless the heat can affect the spread of the virus (and looking at Iran it's doubtful) it could be carnage in India, Pakistan, Brazil etc |
India is the big worry I think.
Massive population, high density cities and basically no testing - only 20 tests per million people.
They have done a lockdown now but might be too late.
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 09:41 - Mar 30 with 2131 views | Lord_Lucan |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 09:19 - Mar 30 by StokieBlue |
India is the big worry I think.
Massive population, high density cities and basically no testing - only 20 tests per million people.
They have done a lockdown now but might be too late.
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It is chaos in India with workers in big cities trying to get back to their towns and villages, it makes the US evacuation of Saigon look like a picnic. | |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 09:42 - Mar 30 with 2126 views | StokieBlue |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 09:41 - Mar 30 by Lord_Lucan |
It is chaos in India with workers in big cities trying to get back to their towns and villages, it makes the US evacuation of Saigon look like a picnic. |
But they shouldn't even be allowed to get back - I saw them walking but they should have been stopped by the police/military.
They are essentially ensuring the virus reaches all the small towns and villages which don't have good hospitals.
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 09:43 - Mar 30 with 2129 views | Guthrum |
Mind you, quoting a handful of examples from across the globe - many of whom are defying their own leadership by meeting - is like using the odd barbecue/party to suggest most Britons are ignoring the lockdown. The vast majority of churches, including the CofE, have gone online.
Bolsonaro, like Trump, does not believe in an objective reality outside of his own mindset. And is therefore insane. |  |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 09:46 - Mar 30 with 2119 views | giant_stow |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 09:43 - Mar 30 by Guthrum |
Mind you, quoting a handful of examples from across the globe - many of whom are defying their own leadership by meeting - is like using the odd barbecue/party to suggest most Britons are ignoring the lockdown. The vast majority of churches, including the CofE, have gone online.
Bolsonaro, like Trump, does not believe in an objective reality outside of his own mindset. And is therefore insane. |
Thanks for balance Guthram - thought I must have imagined reading all those lockdown-breaker stories which had nothing to do with religion.
Just shows people will find confirmation for their own beliefs where ever they care to look. |  |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 10:12 - Mar 30 with 2096 views | Lord_Lucan |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 09:43 - Mar 30 by Guthrum |
Mind you, quoting a handful of examples from across the globe - many of whom are defying their own leadership by meeting - is like using the odd barbecue/party to suggest most Britons are ignoring the lockdown. The vast majority of churches, including the CofE, have gone online.
Bolsonaro, like Trump, does not believe in an objective reality outside of his own mindset. And is therefore insane. |
In southern Italy there is potential civil unrest because people are already going out of their minds and they have no money for food.
God knows what is happening in the north, maybe they are more compliant because they have a closer concept of the death toll. | |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 10:29 - Mar 30 with 2072 views | Mullet |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 09:43 - Mar 30 by Guthrum |
Mind you, quoting a handful of examples from across the globe - many of whom are defying their own leadership by meeting - is like using the odd barbecue/party to suggest most Britons are ignoring the lockdown. The vast majority of churches, including the CofE, have gone online.
Bolsonaro, like Trump, does not believe in an objective reality outside of his own mindset. And is therefore insane. |
I saw a senior Rabbi in London condemned those still going to synagogue or meeting as idolaters worshipping the group not God, which in Jewish terms is an incredibly serious accusation.
Stupidity and Covid-19 do not discriminate do they? |  |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:06 - Mar 30 with 2033 views | sparks |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 09:43 - Mar 30 by Guthrum |
Mind you, quoting a handful of examples from across the globe - many of whom are defying their own leadership by meeting - is like using the odd barbecue/party to suggest most Britons are ignoring the lockdown. The vast majority of churches, including the CofE, have gone online.
Bolsonaro, like Trump, does not believe in an objective reality outside of his own mindset. And is therefore insane. |
Worth noting that the Pope initially said his priests should still be going out and doing pastoral work. | |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:06 - Mar 30 with 2030 views | sparks |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 10:12 - Mar 30 by Lord_Lucan |
In southern Italy there is potential civil unrest because people are already going out of their minds and they have no money for food.
God knows what is happening in the north, maybe they are more compliant because they have a closer concept of the death toll. |
The North is generally a good deal more affluent I believe. | |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:14 - Mar 30 with 2020 views | giant_stow |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:06 - Mar 30 by sparks |
Worth noting that the Pope initially said his priests should still be going out and doing pastoral work. |
Pastoral work hey? The heinous villan. I assume social workers, police, NHS staff and charities looking after the vulnerable who continue their work are just as guilty? | |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:19 - Mar 30 with 2005 views | sparks |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:14 - Mar 30 by giant_stow |
Pastoral work hey? The heinous villan. I assume social workers, police, NHS staff and charities looking after the vulnerable who continue their work are just as guilty? |
No- it was the idea that religous / church leaders should somehow be exempted and go out spreading the virus around all the old folk they visit which bothered me.
Really not comparable to delivering food or medical care. | |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:23 - Mar 30 with 1989 views | Guthrum |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:19 - Mar 30 by sparks |
No- it was the idea that religous / church leaders should somehow be exempted and go out spreading the virus around all the old folk they visit which bothered me.
Really not comparable to delivering food or medical care. |
Altho in many parts of the world, the Catholic Church is the closest thing to a social care network, lacking the secular structures we have. | |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:42 - Mar 30 with 1955 views | sparks |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:23 - Mar 30 by Guthrum |
Altho in many parts of the world, the Catholic Church is the closest thing to a social care network, lacking the secular structures we have. |
That of course gets us to another thorny issue- the whole subject of missionary / colonial approaches and the indoctrination of vulnerable people.
I do not know exactly how what you describe works- would I be right in my assumption that it is generally not the actual priests who are likely to be helping people out with general social care? | |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:43 - Mar 30 with 1956 views | hampstead_blue |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:06 - Mar 30 by sparks |
Worth noting that the Pope initially said his priests should still be going out and doing pastoral work. |
They have a large flock of young children to abuse. Can't stop God's work.
It is interesting how religion behaves in these times. You don't see Bishops on the telly preaching that God will sort it out. They kind of hunker down and probably hope no-one notices them.
I would be interested in hearing the American firebrands rational behind this. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:44 - Mar 30 with 1952 views | giant_stow |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:43 - Mar 30 by hampstead_blue |
They have a large flock of young children to abuse. Can't stop God's work.
It is interesting how religion behaves in these times. You don't see Bishops on the telly preaching that God will sort it out. They kind of hunker down and probably hope no-one notices them.
I would be interested in hearing the American firebrands rational behind this. |
That first line is really offensive. | |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:48 - Mar 30 with 1943 views | hampstead_blue |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:44 - Mar 30 by giant_stow |
That first line is really offensive. |
Harsh, yes, definitely. Sadly very, very true. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:49 - Mar 30 with 1939 views | Mullet |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:43 - Mar 30 by hampstead_blue |
They have a large flock of young children to abuse. Can't stop God's work.
It is interesting how religion behaves in these times. You don't see Bishops on the telly preaching that God will sort it out. They kind of hunker down and probably hope no-one notices them.
I would be interested in hearing the American firebrands rational behind this. |
For a very vocally proud military man, you should probably tone down the rhetoric. It's not as if various atrocities and abuses haven't happened routinely in that arena either.
It's a bit like criticising the BBC still putting news reporters and presenters on the box because of the institutional failings of the past.
This sort of devout moralising from the armchair atheists just makes you all look daft and gloriously lacking in self-awareness. | |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:54 - Mar 30 with 1927 views | Guthrum |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:42 - Mar 30 by sparks |
That of course gets us to another thorny issue- the whole subject of missionary / colonial approaches and the indoctrination of vulnerable people.
I do not know exactly how what you describe works- would I be right in my assumption that it is generally not the actual priests who are likely to be helping people out with general social care? |
It's the priests and the church networks. Part of the glue holding small, rural villages together when (often corrupt) local and national government doesn't effectively reach that far.
Think of it in Medieval terms, where the church was the only common source of education*, healthcare and social services.
* Which is why literacy rates in England went down after the Dissolution of the Monasteries. | |
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| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:55 - Mar 30 with 1924 views | giant_stow |
| It's Ok God will save me, and me, and me, he'll save us all... on 11:48 - Mar 30 by hampstead_blue |
Harsh, yes, definitely. Sadly very, very true. |
Edited. Apologies. [Post edited 30 Mar 2020 11:56]
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