| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? 12:26 - Apr 4 with 2578 views | monytowbray |
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/04/burnley-warn-of-50m-loss-due-to
Mentioned in a thread last week it’s not just going to be the smaller clubs that get hit by this. I hope we see some major spending and distribution changes after this. I can’t imagine football clubs will be top of the financial support list when it comes to priority right now.
Anyone know how clubs got by financially in the WWII suspension? Aware it was a very different game back then.
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| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 12:35 - Apr 4 with 2542 views | PJH |
Football clubs always used to be largely self sufficient in as much as what came through the turnstiles plus what you got for selling players enabled you to function and buy players.
Obviously those with the biggest match day attendances had a greater spending power than those less well supported.
Players maximum wages were not abolished until the very early 1960's when Johhny Haynes at Fulham became the first player to be on £100 a week when the maximum wage prior to that was well short of that figure.
Some clubs had rich owners-Everton were one in the 1960's-but there was nothing like the huge gulf in wealth between the have's and have not's that there now is. |  | | |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 12:37 - Apr 4 with 2535 views | monytowbray |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 12:35 - Apr 4 by PJH |
Football clubs always used to be largely self sufficient in as much as what came through the turnstiles plus what you got for selling players enabled you to function and buy players.
Obviously those with the biggest match day attendances had a greater spending power than those less well supported.
Players maximum wages were not abolished until the very early 1960's when Johhny Haynes at Fulham became the first player to be on £100 a week when the maximum wage prior to that was well short of that figure.
Some clubs had rich owners-Everton were one in the 1960's-but there was nothing like the huge gulf in wealth between the have's and have not's that there now is. |
It’s also going to be interesting how the massive training breaks will affect performance when it comes back. | |
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| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 15:52 - Apr 4 with 2425 views | BlueBadger |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 12:37 - Apr 4 by monytowbray |
It’s also going to be interesting how the massive training breaks will affect performance when it comes back. |
The lack of coaching from Paul Lambert and his team over the past few weeks could see our players performing better? |  |
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| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 15:56 - Apr 4 with 2422 views | BloomBlue |
They could start with agents, what did PL clubs spend on agents last season wasnt it something like £260 million, ridiculous that amount of money is going out of football |  | | |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 18:20 - Apr 4 with 2376 views | monytowbray |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 15:56 - Apr 4 by BloomBlue |
They could start with agents, what did PL clubs spend on agents last season wasnt it something like £260 million, ridiculous that amount of money is going out of football |
Agents are the Hedge Fund Managers of the Footballing world.
Public execution would be too good for them. | |
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| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 09:11 - Apr 5 with 2187 views | ArnieM |
This reliance on Sky money just shows how plastic the so called “Premier” League really is. I think it will be Karma that the PL league will effectively be served a dose of what happened to ITFC when digital tv money collapsed forcing us into administration.
Frankly, ALL Clubs are poorly run, because they rely 100% on tv money. They get paid for selling their soul to a greedy company that by and large monopolises the industry of showing football games. They dictate when Clubs will play their games, and who is shown on tv. How can this be good for the game.
I hope SKY tv and the PL as we know it collapses. It needs to , in order to be rebuilt from scratch without the plastic veneer of “ wealth”, that doesn’t actually exist. |  |
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| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 09:43 - Apr 5 with 2145 views | Radlett_blue |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_League
Unlike during World War I, when pro football stopped in England (but not Scotland) after unwisely playing the 1914-15 season, football continued during World War II, but was heavily regionalised. Regular war time international matches were played (only between the home nations) presumably to benefit morale. Players weren't paid much in those days; I presume the clubs kept paying the players who didn't join up, but I don't know. |  |
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| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 09:47 - Apr 5 with 2139 views | r2d2 |
The greedy few at the top will still want/have it all. They will find a way. |  | | |
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| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 11:29 - Apr 5 with 2089 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 09:47 - Apr 5 by r2d2 |
The greedy few at the top will still want/have it all. They will find a way. |
It’s simply a mirror held to society in general (in capitalist societies). |  |
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| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 11:50 - Apr 5 with 2072 views | bluefunk |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 12:35 - Apr 4 by PJH |
Football clubs always used to be largely self sufficient in as much as what came through the turnstiles plus what you got for selling players enabled you to function and buy players.
Obviously those with the biggest match day attendances had a greater spending power than those less well supported.
Players maximum wages were not abolished until the very early 1960's when Johhny Haynes at Fulham became the first player to be on £100 a week when the maximum wage prior to that was well short of that figure.
Some clubs had rich owners-Everton were one in the 1960's-but there was nothing like the huge gulf in wealth between the have's and have not's that there now is. |
while the maximum wage was key for players, the mismatch in club income was begun by the move to clubs keeping their home gate receipts, before that, it was shared, which had the effect of dampening down the inequalities of income. Once that dam burst, everything else that happened was pretty much inevitable |  | | |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 15:11 - Apr 7 with 1884 views | rfretwell |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 11:50 - Apr 5 by bluefunk |
while the maximum wage was key for players, the mismatch in club income was begun by the move to clubs keeping their home gate receipts, before that, it was shared, which had the effect of dampening down the inequalities of income. Once that dam burst, everything else that happened was pretty much inevitable |
To add to Radletts useful piece, the Town were the only club to not play any league or friendly matches for 6 years in WW2. |  | | |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 16:58 - Apr 7 with 1829 views | monytowbray |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 09:47 - Apr 5 by r2d2 |
The greedy few at the top will still want/have it all. They will find a way. |
It’s funny how it bothers most when it comes to football yet society is ran the exact same way and people defend it. | |
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| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 17:13 - Apr 7 with 1813 views | J2BLUE |
Could go one of two ways.
The likes of West Ham have been shameless during this whole thing and will probably start agitating for a closed shop Premier League. |  |
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| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 18:47 - Apr 7 with 1761 views | Leaky |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 16:58 - Apr 7 by monytowbray |
It’s funny how it bothers most when it comes to football yet society is ran the exact same way and people defend it. |
I feel football is a unique industry (if you can call it that) its reliant on tv figures. Ie. if every one stops subscribing there's no money, similar to movie industry. Generally most businesses rely on customer's if your product is good and perceived to be value for money you do well. You then hopefully earn a decent leaving reflecting the hard work & investment you have put in. If you go on to make more money than you need you are free to redistribute it as you see fit. |  | | |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 19:01 - Apr 7 with 1740 views | WD19 |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 16:58 - Apr 7 by monytowbray |
It’s funny how it bothers most when it comes to football yet society is ran the exact same way and people defend it. |
That’s probably because most of us live in Manchester United Kingdom. If we lived in Queen of the South Sudan we might hold a different view. |  | | |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 20:59 - Apr 7 with 1688 views | tractorboy1978 |
It's interesting that throughout the copious levels of debate over the last few weeks I've not heard one person bring up the need for any reform. It's the elephant in the room that won't be discussed as pundits, journalists, owners, players are all on the same gravy train. | | | |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 21:35 - Apr 7 with 1652 views | J2BLUE |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 20:59 - Apr 7 by tractorboy1978 |
It's interesting that throughout the copious levels of debate over the last few weeks I've not heard one person bring up the need for any reform. It's the elephant in the room that won't be discussed as pundits, journalists, owners, players are all on the same gravy train. |
Yea screw you Phil! | |
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| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 22:27 - Apr 7 with 1617 views | Radlett_blue |
| The reform of English football and money, could it be on the way? on 20:59 - Apr 7 by tractorboy1978 |
It's interesting that throughout the copious levels of debate over the last few weeks I've not heard one person bring up the need for any reform. It's the elephant in the room that won't be discussed as pundits, journalists, owners, players are all on the same gravy train. |
"Reform" can only happen if a large number of parties agree. It's not going to happen; unless something fundamentally changes, football will be dominated by a few super-clubs, dependent on Tv revenues, who attract all the best players. The current crisis will only accelerate this process. | |
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