| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing 07:01 - Apr 9 with 3380 views | Dubtractor |
We are going to NEED to change how we look after our society after this. For too long we have seen a race to the bottom for those in low paid/manual jobs. What we're now seeing, as if it was ever in doubt, is these are the very people that are essential to keeping our country moving. Not the 'wealth creators'. For the avoidance of doubt, I have no issue with people being well paid, or even super rich, but we've got the balance so horribly wrong in recent times that it is a tragedy.
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 07:21 - Apr 9 with 2594 views | DanTheMan |
Very well said.
I have little hope in any real change. |  |
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 07:49 - Apr 9 with 2539 views | Pippin1970 |
Problem is going to be exodus from NHS and social care system. I'm going back into Primary Schools teaching after this. Done mental health work and challenging disabilities for years. They dropped our new hourly rate back in when all this going on. |  | | |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 08:15 - Apr 9 with 2489 views | bluelagos |
What hit home last night was the impact on child protection issues. A very compelling case on last night's Newsnight on this.
The costs of the lockdown are so much more than economic. The decision of when to come out will be a fine judgement but I hope it considers much more than "simply lives lost v financial costs". They need to try and assess the social impacts too which are going to grow exponentially too as we continue with the lockdown. |  |
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 08:37 - Apr 9 with 2439 views | Herbivore |
I do have an issue with people being super rich on the basis that becoming super rich is always predicated on exploitation in some shape or form. It's also utterly unnecessary for any individual to even have as much wealth as £1bn. I don't think people quite understand just what an insane amount of money that is. |  |
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 08:42 - Apr 9 with 2424 views | Dubtractor |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 08:37 - Apr 9 by Herbivore |
I do have an issue with people being super rich on the basis that becoming super rich is always predicated on exploitation in some shape or form. It's also utterly unnecessary for any individual to even have as much wealth as £1bn. I don't think people quite understand just what an insane amount of money that is. |
Yeah, prob worth clarifying that when I say 'super rich' I don't mean billionaires really, I'm talking more high millions. So still a huge amount of money, but I agree that there is simply no need for billionaires. | |
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 08:49 - Apr 9 with 2400 views | Darth_Koont |
Agreed.
The real tragedy is it takes people dying (and the threat reaching those otherwise cocooned from normal hardships) for people to see what should have been obvious in the first place.
So part of me is hopeful that many have woken up from this mass delusion. And part of me is realistic that we'll probably go straight back into it when it comes to picking up the tab for giving loads of money to corporations. We'll see how serious we are with any raising of taxes - income tax and/or corporate tax - to drag us up from an already low level for a civilised country. |  |
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 09:04 - Apr 9 with 2362 views | BloomBlue |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 08:15 - Apr 9 by bluelagos |
What hit home last night was the impact on child protection issues. A very compelling case on last night's Newsnight on this.
The costs of the lockdown are so much more than economic. The decision of when to come out will be a fine judgement but I hope it considers much more than "simply lives lost v financial costs". They need to try and assess the social impacts too which are going to grow exponentially too as we continue with the lockdown. |
People in abusive situations at home whether that be adults or children will be the biggest sufferers during this lockdown and as you say that's why the government have to balance it. If not a lot of people are and will suffer intolerable abuse and literally dying and not from CV. They are fast become then forgotten and for some people the acceptable consequence of the lockdown. Lots of people posting pictures of people in parks, open markets with 'morons' in the title when some could easier be people just escaping the abuse for a short time |  | | |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 09:28 - Apr 9 with 2333 views | JakeITFC |
Mind boggling that the Conservatives romped home with a ludicrous majority four months ago. |  | | |
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 09:30 - Apr 9 with 2329 views | BlueBadger |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 09:28 - Apr 9 by JakeITFC |
Mind boggling that the Conservatives romped home with a ludicrous majority four months ago. |
That's the level of incompetence at the top of the last Labour leadership that some people STILL won't see.
Jeremy Corbyn is the Paul Lambert of politics. |  |
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 09:57 - Apr 9 with 2280 views | noggin |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 09:30 - Apr 9 by BlueBadger |
That's the level of incompetence at the top of the last Labour leadership that some people STILL won't see.
Jeremy Corbyn is the Paul Lambert of politics. |
I think it was more the super rich spreading anti Corbyn propaganda which influenced the plebs. |  |
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 10:06 - Apr 9 with 2256 views | Darth_Koont |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 09:57 - Apr 9 by noggin |
I think it was more the super rich spreading anti Corbyn propaganda which influenced the plebs. |
And people like Badger in the soft centre doing the same to be fair.
We can't just blame the Establishment here. If ordinary people took the issues and facts more seriously than the game of politics then the majority in the UK would be in a better place. | |
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 10:08 - Apr 9 with 2246 views | JakeITFC |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 09:30 - Apr 9 by BlueBadger |
That's the level of incompetence at the top of the last Labour leadership that some people STILL won't see.
Jeremy Corbyn is the Paul Lambert of politics. |
Well whatever you think of Corbyn, it's hard to stomach people championing messages like the above from Newsnight when there was an election on these issues a few months ago and they were rejected out of hand. | | | |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 11:47 - Apr 9 with 2142 views | gordon |
Completely agree with this - if it's a battle, your body is just the battleground. Whether your good at tennis or not is irrelevant (as Cameron and some mate of Bojo have pointed out in the last couple of days).
The talk about 'beating' coronavirus as a society is also misleading - there's a decent chance that it's just going to be something that we have to learn to live with. |  | | |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:10 - Apr 9 with 2099 views | Lord_Lucan |
For the avoidance of doubt is it being suggested that shelf stackers, shop workers, bus drivers etc should be better paid and if so how does it stop these people getting the virus, and who is going to do these jobs at this time of crisis if not the people who are in their current positions?
Of course people in tower blocks are going to suffer more during the lockdown than others, I regularly say to my wife how lucky we are in this situation but I'm not sure what point is trying to be made here either, is it being suggested we flatten these buildings?
As for the comments by dopey Raab, he said the same thing that a friend would say to others about another friend in the same situation, we all say it. If Uncle Bob has cancer we all say, he's a fighter.
Not trying to start an argument here, just trying to understand what people are on about.
As for bus drivers - why the hell don't they lock the front entrance, rope off the front rows and make people get on the middle or back doors (where appropriate of course) |  |
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:14 - Apr 9 with 2075 views | giant_stow |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 10:06 - Apr 9 by Darth_Koont |
And people like Badger in the soft centre doing the same to be fair.
We can't just blame the Establishment here. If ordinary people took the issues and facts more seriously than the game of politics then the majority in the UK would be in a better place. |
Can't agree - people had no eescape form politics ever since Brexit - it's taken a pandemic to finish that.
They just didn't like what Corbyn's labour offered - thankfully its done now and working people have a chance of being represented again. |  |
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:16 - Apr 9 with 2071 views | gordon |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:10 - Apr 9 by Lord_Lucan |
For the avoidance of doubt is it being suggested that shelf stackers, shop workers, bus drivers etc should be better paid and if so how does it stop these people getting the virus, and who is going to do these jobs at this time of crisis if not the people who are in their current positions?
Of course people in tower blocks are going to suffer more during the lockdown than others, I regularly say to my wife how lucky we are in this situation but I'm not sure what point is trying to be made here either, is it being suggested we flatten these buildings?
As for the comments by dopey Raab, he said the same thing that a friend would say to others about another friend in the same situation, we all say it. If Uncle Bob has cancer we all say, he's a fighter.
Not trying to start an argument here, just trying to understand what people are on about.
As for bus drivers - why the hell don't they lock the front entrance, rope off the front rows and make people get on the middle or back doors (where appropriate of course) |
It isn't clear what point you're making about people talking about people with cancer being 'fighters'.
If healthcare professionals, survivors, and the family of those who have lost loved ones are clear that this sort of language is unhelpful, then the fact that you have a hypothetical friend who isn't aware of this doesn't seem enormously relevant or important. | | | |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:23 - Apr 9 with 2055 views | jaykay |
agree 100 % but we were always told it jealousy and worse its lefty ideals.
these poor people were classed as unskilled late last year. i bet they are glad they voted against a pay rise for these people in 2017 |  |
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:27 - Apr 9 with 2045 views | Lord_Lucan |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:16 - Apr 9 by gordon |
It isn't clear what point you're making about people talking about people with cancer being 'fighters'.
If healthcare professionals, survivors, and the family of those who have lost loved ones are clear that this sort of language is unhelpful, then the fact that you have a hypothetical friend who isn't aware of this doesn't seem enormously relevant or important. |
Oh I see.
It's the language that is being used that is the issue, I am thick so I completely misunderstood the message.
Fair enough. [Post edited 9 Apr 2020 12:29]
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:31 - Apr 9 with 2035 views | leitrimblue |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 09:28 - Apr 9 by JakeITFC |
Mind boggling that the Conservatives romped home with a ludicrous majority four months ago. |
Sorry Jake, but you seem to have forgot that we had no choice but to vote conservative because Labour we're such a dangerous threat to Jewish communities |  | | |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:35 - Apr 9 with 2019 views | JakeITFC |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:31 - Apr 9 by leitrimblue |
Sorry Jake, but you seem to have forgot that we had no choice but to vote conservative because Labour we're such a dangerous threat to Jewish communities |
Whereas the Conservatives are a dangerous threat to every community.
That Corbyn and co. got framed as the racist baddies in the last few years of political commentary remains at best an absolute mystery. | | | |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:38 - Apr 9 with 2004 views | BlueBadger |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:35 - Apr 9 by JakeITFC |
Whereas the Conservatives are a dangerous threat to every community.
That Corbyn and co. got framed as the racist baddies in the last few years of political commentary remains at best an absolute mystery. |
From my point of view, it's because frankly, I expect better from Labour. The half-arsed approach and utter lack of leadership from the top echelons allowed that narrative to be drawn. | |
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| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:44 - Apr 9 with 1982 views | leitrimblue |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:35 - Apr 9 by JakeITFC |
Whereas the Conservatives are a dangerous threat to every community.
That Corbyn and co. got framed as the racist baddies in the last few years of political commentary remains at best an absolute mystery. |
Sorry i spelt rich an certain sections of the middle class wrong | | | |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:47 - Apr 9 with 1961 views | Meadowlark |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:10 - Apr 9 by Lord_Lucan |
For the avoidance of doubt is it being suggested that shelf stackers, shop workers, bus drivers etc should be better paid and if so how does it stop these people getting the virus, and who is going to do these jobs at this time of crisis if not the people who are in their current positions?
Of course people in tower blocks are going to suffer more during the lockdown than others, I regularly say to my wife how lucky we are in this situation but I'm not sure what point is trying to be made here either, is it being suggested we flatten these buildings?
As for the comments by dopey Raab, he said the same thing that a friend would say to others about another friend in the same situation, we all say it. If Uncle Bob has cancer we all say, he's a fighter.
Not trying to start an argument here, just trying to understand what people are on about.
As for bus drivers - why the hell don't they lock the front entrance, rope off the front rows and make people get on the middle or back doors (where appropriate of course) |
They have to pay the driver. |  | | |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:53 - Apr 9 with 1939 views | WeWereZombies |
| This from Emily Maitlis is essential viewing on 12:47 - Apr 9 by Meadowlark |
They have to pay the driver. |
Don't most buses have contactless nowadays? |  |
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