| Just had the depressing realisation... 22:35 - Apr 17 with 1297 views | monytowbray |
...in this evening’s virtual pub that with no football likely to be played until 2021 if we’re lucky, no TV money and crowds, whilst club owners see the likelihood of a big financial hit, we’re going to be hitting some big casualties soon in football and no one is safe from top to bottom of the pyramid. Including us.
Finishing the season is well past the biggest concern. Now it’s the survival of the very game itself and 100s of clubs that will be unable to keep the lights on soon.
There’s no way, and rightly so, the leagues can be diverting money to keep a game afloat. If I were a non-football fan I‘d be disgusted. Hell, I would have a battle of conscience myself: NHS or ITFC, and it would have to be the NHS all day long, but f*ck making a choice like that would hurt.
What are the options though at this point? What can possibly be done? |  |
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 23:43 - Apr 17 with 1216 views | linhdi |
Of all the people on twtd, you are best placed to set out the arguments and judgments on this kind of issue. Society v football? Society wins, of course.
Living without live football? Yeah, ok.
Living without seeing all my football friends? That's a lot harder. |  | | |
| Just had the depressing realisation... on 00:32 - Apr 18 with 1182 views | monytowbray |
| Just had the depressing realisation... on 23:43 - Apr 17 by linhdi |
Of all the people on twtd, you are best placed to set out the arguments and judgments on this kind of issue. Society v football? Society wins, of course.
Living without live football? Yeah, ok.
Living without seeing all my football friends? That's a lot harder. |
Yeah, I imagine we’d all kinda suck whatever’s left into Ipswich Wanderers or go PFTF with a new club?
These concerns are me having a moment, right? We wouldn’t really lose ITFC would we?! | |
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 00:39 - Apr 18 with 1174 views | Guthrum |
| Just had the depressing realisation... on 00:32 - Apr 18 by monytowbray |
Yeah, I imagine we’d all kinda suck whatever’s left into Ipswich Wanderers or go PFTF with a new club?
These concerns are me having a moment, right? We wouldn’t really lose ITFC would we?! |
If lots are going at once, there would have to be some sort of way of at least carrying on the legacy of clubs, so ITFC still exists as a concept, with history and honours intact. Everybody cannot all drop down to the the National League and below at once, they need teams to populate the EFL, if it is to carry on. |  |
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 00:48 - Apr 18 with 1168 views | BlueBadger |
| Just had the depressing realisation... on 00:39 - Apr 18 by Guthrum |
If lots are going at once, there would have to be some sort of way of at least carrying on the legacy of clubs, so ITFC still exists as a concept, with history and honours intact. Everybody cannot all drop down to the the National League and below at once, they need teams to populate the EFL, if it is to carry on. |
I wouldn't be surprised to see the majority of bottom two FL divisions basically go semi-pro after all this. At the very least, the finances of football will need a long hard look. |  |
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 06:37 - Apr 18 with 1081 views | TractorWood |
Hence why it's so important to get this sorted and get the economy and world up and running again. |  |
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 07:37 - Apr 18 with 1034 views | monytowbray |
| Just had the depressing realisation... on 06:37 - Apr 18 by TractorWood |
Hence why it's so important to get this sorted and get the economy and world up and running again. |
That ain’t gonna be enough, 2021 is a long way off. | |
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 07:39 - Apr 18 with 1029 views | Herbivore |
| Just had the depressing realisation... on 07:37 - Apr 18 by monytowbray |
That ain’t gonna be enough, 2021 is a long way off. |
There will be football before 2021. |  |
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 07:47 - Apr 18 with 1024 views | monytowbray |
| Just had the depressing realisation... on 07:39 - Apr 18 by Herbivore |
There will be football before 2021. |
Doubtful. | |
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 08:06 - Apr 18 with 991 views | Herbivore |
| Just had the depressing realisation... on 07:47 - Apr 18 by monytowbray |
Doubtful. |
Why? Some leagues in Europe are already taking tentative steps towards restarting in 6-8 weeks time. That doesn't suggest to me there will be no football for another 9 months. I doubt we'll see crowds at games for some time yet, but football will restart in the coming months I suspect. I don't really see anything to suggest otherwise. | |
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 08:08 - Apr 18 with 985 views | monytowbray |
| Just had the depressing realisation... on 08:06 - Apr 18 by Herbivore |
Why? Some leagues in Europe are already taking tentative steps towards restarting in 6-8 weeks time. That doesn't suggest to me there will be no football for another 9 months. I doubt we'll see crowds at games for some time yet, but football will restart in the coming months I suspect. I don't really see anything to suggest otherwise. |
Closed door games won’t be enough though. This is beyond finishing off the season. | |
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 08:11 - Apr 18 with 978 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just had the depressing realisation... on 08:08 - Apr 18 by monytowbray |
Closed door games won’t be enough though. This is beyond finishing off the season. |
So there will be football before 2021?
Clubs can sell live streams to raise some revenue. |  |
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 08:12 - Apr 18 with 979 views | Coastalblue |
You have to feel for players at lower league clubs who will be out of contract in a week or two, unlikely to have ever earned a lot of money and will have little chance of earning a new deal elsewhere for some time.
I don't wish ill on any individual club but collectively I'd love to see the football bubble burst. |  |
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 09:11 - Apr 18 with 909 views | Herbivore |
| Just had the depressing realisation... on 08:08 - Apr 18 by monytowbray |
Closed door games won’t be enough though. This is beyond finishing off the season. |
That's a different argument. You said we're unlikely to see any football before 2021 and I don't see any basis for that claim when plans are being made to resume the season in the next couple of months in several countries. There are tentative plans in England even to restart the season in late May or early June. Whether clubs can survive without ticket money is a different argument, however rules have already been changed to allow 3pm Saturday games to be televised and that opens the door for all games to be shown via iFollow. That will bring in some revenue at least. | |
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 09:32 - Apr 18 with 886 views | Guthrum |
| Just had the depressing realisation... on 08:08 - Apr 18 by monytowbray |
Closed door games won’t be enough though. This is beyond finishing off the season. |
Not just that, but the first time there is a case where one or more of a matchday squad/staff test positive, other teams will refuse (quite rightly) to play them and the whole thing is derailed.
Having seven days quarantine between each match is not going to get the season finished quick. [Post edited 18 Apr 2020 9:39]
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 09:47 - Apr 18 with 865 views | Guthrum |
| Just had the depressing realisation... on 00:48 - Apr 18 by BlueBadger |
I wouldn't be surprised to see the majority of bottom two FL divisions basically go semi-pro after all this. At the very least, the finances of football will need a long hard look. |
Indeed. But in that case the clubs would still carry on. Unlike if they were formally wound up, in which case they lose the right to refer to their former history and honours, being legally completely new clubs*.
* Altho Rangers ignored this technicality and pretend there is continuity. | |
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| Just had the depressing realisation... on 09:55 - Apr 18 with 854 views | fabian_illness |
Even behind closed doors games could be awkward.
Indirect free kick for any player going within 2m of another? |  | | |
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