| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads 12:12 - Apr 20 with 3471 views | MaySixth |
He did a pretty good job overall.
His football was terrible to watch.
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| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads on 22:30 - Apr 20 with 636 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads on 21:49 - Apr 20 by Keaneish |
Terry Butcher, one of England’s greatest defenders said, "I can't remember ever being so embarrassed and humiliated as an Ipswich fan," he told BBC Radio 5 live. "Ipswich lost the wrong way, not enough fight, not enough passion“. That same evening Chris Sutton (who Bluefish had a selfie with) was giving it large to Town fans on the radio.
Several years later Terry Butcher signs a part time deal to coach under Paul Lambert.
Out of interest Phil, who do you think is right here? One of England’s greatest ever defenders, Terry Butcher or an egotistical Mick McCarthy sycophant, Bluefish? |
Are you seriously implying that Ipswich are better off with Paul Lambert than Mick McCarthy because a former player who was pretty decent 30 years ago took on a cushty role with the former and criticised a performance of the latter?
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| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads on 22:34 - Apr 20 with 622 views | Bluefish |
| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads on 22:30 - Apr 20 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Are you seriously implying that Ipswich are better off with Paul Lambert than Mick McCarthy because a former player who was pretty decent 30 years ago took on a cushty role with the former and criticised a performance of the latter?
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He is the ultimate board fruitcake on a massive wobble because he went in hard on multiple occasions and got them all spectacularly wrong.
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| Listen to the recent Blue Monday interviews.. on 22:44 - Apr 20 with 615 views | unstableblue |
.. with Ipswich greats from our recent halcyon days under Burley, and it confirms that Mick was not right for us in the long term and should have been nothing more than a band aid. Key points being:
1. There IS an Ipswich way and it is based on technical players, passing, movement and aggressive forward play
2. You need to progressively improve your team, you need to bring in players who are a) characters b) can pass the ball.... you need 3,4,5 players who are ball players
3. You attract fans and better players as a manager by selling an ethos of 'playing the game the right way'
Now to be fair to Mick, good teams need investment (and that faded during his tenancy), and also Marcus Stewart praised as an honest and frank manager.
But our style, our system, our technical ability actually receded under Mick rather than progressed. And of course by the end a fan base starved of quality, passing, entertainment and the Ipswich way was always going to push back and it was horrible at the end.
Its simple: Mick fixed a relegation battle, with some astute loans had a play-off push alas built on an unsustainable style. He should have been released much much earlier. And that's it. [Post edited 20 Apr 2020 22:47]
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| Whoooaaa on 23:13 - Apr 20 with 603 views | unstableblue |
| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads on 14:41 - Apr 20 by PhilTWTD |
I'm not sure the football was ultimately the issue, it was more about character and personality. Fans in general didn't particularly like him or feel he was the right fit for an Ipswich manager, which the gesture at Norwich confirmed for most. The situation was allowed to drag on for 18 months too long. He should have gone after the Lincoln cup defeat. |
Come on Phil.... it was far more about the footballing product than personality. Mick was ultimately a likeable character and after the hideous Keane and dull Jewell he was much more palatable, and he did fix some of the disconnect between the playing and no playing staff.
It was all about the football and the game strategy, those woeful protect a one nil lead against sh!t teams, being played off the park from a passing perspective by much lesser funded sides, being the antithesis of the 'Ipswich Way'- that wast the issue, Town fans are so accommodating, but too many trips to PR were just un-entertaining, lacking in attacking intent,and quality. Don't get me wrong there were many good games under Mick,but the underlying trend of a side not progressing.
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| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads on 23:14 - Apr 20 with 600 views | Churchman |
| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads on 22:19 - Apr 20 by vapour_trail |
I thought the gesture at Norwich was fair enough. He’d just had to put up with the morons in our support having a song song with the Norwich fans. |
I have to disagree on that. I thought he should have been shown the door there and then. McCarthy had his time. He was excellent for a few seasons and achieved as much as he could getting us near the play offs at a club rotten to the core with no resources. But his football that was always pretty dire got worse and so did his your lucky to have me attitude. Watching the laughably awful Douglas, Hyam and Skuse at home cluelessly stumble about after shadows that had long since departed was soul destroying.
McCarthy in his limited way could do a job, but he is by no means the best manager this club ever had. That our ‘saviour’ owner employed two clueless managers before and two more after doesn’t change anything for me. The followers of this football club deserve better, in my opinion. |  | | |
| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads on 11:47 - Apr 21 with 521 views | patrickswell |
| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads on 14:55 - Apr 20 by PJH |
Yes there are other managers but as it has turned out the two that came before him and the two that have come since only go to show what a good manager MM was for us. |
The debate becomes even more stark when you consider that “the football was dull” is held up as Mick’s greatest crime in comparison to the utter bin fires of Keane, Jewell, Hurst and Lambert. It is unbelievable just how badly the four of them bungled the role, and how much like a mountain in the middle of a sea of excrement Mick’s time stands out. Furthermore, while I can make a case that Mick’s time could have gone differently in 2017/18 had he been able to get more games out of Huws/Bishop/Dozzell/Adeyemi/Carayol etc, I really cannot begin to put together an argument for what might have saved Keane or Jewell. Hurst could have tried to engage with his existing squad rather than come in on a war footing. Lambert needs to pick a style and a core of players and give it time to gel rather than changing plan/selectionon a week by week basis. [Post edited 21 Apr 2020 11:51]
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| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads on 11:49 - Apr 21 with 520 views | TractorWood |
It's clearly not the end, is it? |  |
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| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads on 11:52 - Apr 21 with 513 views | Bluefish |
| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads on 19:41 - Apr 20 by Bluefish |
I'm mot sure why the Lincoln cup defeat is such a big deal for some. They beat bigger sides than us that year.
Out of interest Phil when do you think PRP should have gone? After Lincoln away in December or when he relegated us without any fight? |
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| Listen to the recent Blue Monday interviews.. on 11:58 - Apr 21 with 503 views | patrickswell |
| Listen to the recent Blue Monday interviews.. on 22:44 - Apr 20 by unstableblue |
.. with Ipswich greats from our recent halcyon days under Burley, and it confirms that Mick was not right for us in the long term and should have been nothing more than a band aid. Key points being:
1. There IS an Ipswich way and it is based on technical players, passing, movement and aggressive forward play
2. You need to progressively improve your team, you need to bring in players who are a) characters b) can pass the ball.... you need 3,4,5 players who are ball players
3. You attract fans and better players as a manager by selling an ethos of 'playing the game the right way'
Now to be fair to Mick, good teams need investment (and that faded during his tenancy), and also Marcus Stewart praised as an honest and frank manager.
But our style, our system, our technical ability actually receded under Mick rather than progressed. And of course by the end a fan base starved of quality, passing, entertainment and the Ipswich way was always going to push back and it was horrible at the end.
Its simple: Mick fixed a relegation battle, with some astute loans had a play-off push alas built on an unsustainable style. He should have been released much much earlier. And that's it. [Post edited 20 Apr 2020 22:47]
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Do you not think though that McCarthy would have implemented the Ipswich way if he had been able to get more football out of the likes of Bishop, Dozzell, Huws and loanees like Jonny Williams and Ryan Fraser - all of whom had substantial injury problems across his last three seasons. | | | |
| Listen to the recent Blue Monday interviews.. on 12:14 - Apr 21 with 482 views | unstableblue |
| Listen to the recent Blue Monday interviews.. on 11:58 - Apr 21 by patrickswell |
Do you not think though that McCarthy would have implemented the Ipswich way if he had been able to get more football out of the likes of Bishop, Dozzell, Huws and loanees like Jonny Williams and Ryan Fraser - all of whom had substantial injury problems across his last three seasons. |
I think its wrong to make out that Mick's football was always mind numbingly stayed and reserved. And as you say there were injuries to key flare players.
Albeit its interesting to note that McGoldricks best 11 included 3 loanees with Fraser,Celina and Lawrence. That is not positive, loans should bolster a squad not provide the pivotal players.
When Mick had an in form Murphy a creative wide player (loanee) and better Centre backs it often clicked really well, and we drove to the play-offs.
But even in his best season there were performances where you could see we lacked a system of play and a passing ethos that was truly going to prosper, the Norwich games we were all bluster and no guile. The Reading home game. The 1-0 Bolton win at home ticks in the mind.. leaving thinking - "are we actually any good"?!
I think the issue is people are linking the Hurst debacle and the Lambert appointment with Mick. Mick had to leave (as David Johnson stated Ipswich fans come to be entertained), end of. If he'd stayed for 2-3 seasons, steadied the ship, and then had a staged transition to a more progressive manager (which is clearly the Irish FAs approach) then we'd all be singing his praises. | |
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| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads on 09:08 - Apr 22 with 439 views | Bluefish |
| Mick McCarthy still living rent free in many Ipswich fan's heads on 19:41 - Apr 20 by Bluefish |
I'm mot sure why the Lincoln cup defeat is such a big deal for some. They beat bigger sides than us that year.
Out of interest Phil when do you think PRP should have gone? After Lincoln away in December or when he relegated us without any fight? |
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