| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray 09:11 - May 1 with 1674 views | artsbossbeard |
He talks a lot of sense here.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/30/glenn-murray-condemns-premier-l
Presumably, the desperation he talks of is the messaging from Sky, Premier League & world wide tv audiences. Most (all) people that I know really couldn't give a flying **** about footy presently.
Effectively, we're asking athletes to return to a sport and take risks that could effect extended families just so Derek from Bath can sit in front of his tv in his LFC replica shirts with a can a of Carlsberg.
I've resigned to the fact that I won't be watching ITFC at Fortress PR till 2021 with anything before this a bonus. |  |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 09:33 - May 1 with 1379 views | itfcjoe |
Realistically we are just waiting to see what happens in the Bundesliga and then will follow on from there |  |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" on 09:34 - May 1 with 1383 views | Basuco |
I forget the exact figures, but Wednesday and Thursday there were over 10,000 new cases and around1,400 death,s from the virus. Before it can go ahead those numbers must come down, also the players, the 300 or so people who apparently are also needed at games, and their families and everyone who they will come into contact with, needs to be tested every day. You could also argue that they should all be tested every day for two weeks before the first game is played to ensure all are infection free.
Has the question of player insurance been raised yet either? If the insurers will not pay out should a player die of Covid19 will the premier league be able to take the risk of playing? What if a player is injured and has to go into hospital and catches Covid while in hospital? Will that risk be covered by insurers? If you take a top 6 clubs player's potential resale value added to total contract remaining, that will be a huge amount of risk to cover. [Post edited 1 May 2020 10:27]
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 10:18 - May 1 with 1314 views | homer_123 |
I've not missed football at all. |  |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 10:23 - May 1 with 1287 views | Libero |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 09:33 - May 1 by itfcjoe |
Realistically we are just waiting to see what happens in the Bundesliga and then will follow on from there |
I suspect that even if it's a logistic success the supporters won't be too happy judging from comments I've seen online. Lots of German ultra groups very unhappy that it's even being considered currently. |  | | |
| (No subject) on 10:34 - May 1 with 1277 views | monytowbray |
English football seems to be having a massive "self importance" issue right now.
Yes it's a huge part of our culture as a nation, but also it's a luxury and everyone knows that, bar them it seems.
When pretty much the entire population is more concerned about both present and future work, food, bills, etc (for both themselves and those around them) no one really gives that much of a f*ck about watching some overpaid blokes kick a ball around to generate a bloated income for even more wealthy blokes. Yeah we're all in the same boat right now but what makes a game that adds nothing to the basic functioning of society so special?
Then you've got most clubs still releasing STs with early bird deals for a product they can't even deliver, asking for money from people who are financially uncertain. Sorry Marcus, but giving you £30 a month right now is low on my priorities and I'm one of the lucky ones who is still working. I dread to think how I'd feel about that if I wasn't, but I'd imagine "are you taking the p1ss?" would be my response.
I never thought I'd say this, but I'm really questioning my loyalties to the club. I stopped caring about the wider game years ago and was only really concerned about ITFC. Now I barely give a sh1t about that. Doesn't help I've just watched 2 of the worst seasons in our history mind you.
Football needs to just f*ck off and get in the bin. If it wasn't such a greed fest it wouldn't have problems to this level. What you reap is what you sow. It's the backroom staff selling tickets, cleaning, answering phones and keeping the social/news stuff up to date I feel for. Imagine working for a company that has that level of discrepancy in wages/treatment between staff (because let's face it, Footballers are employees like everyone else).
I need more coffee. This week has been stressful and seeing Football acting like the world revolves around them is a p1ss take. [Post edited 1 May 2020 10:35]
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| I'm not on 10:48 - May 1 with 1248 views | Swansea_Blue |
The last few years has been an utter disaster and I'm not missing it one bit! A bit of TMS to while away a few lazy summer afternoons in lockdown would be nice though. |  |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:00 - May 1 with 1220 views | BrixtonBlue |
Playing devil's advocate, the return of football (even behind closed doors) will be a beacon of hope to a lot of people. The start of a return to normality. I wouldn't underestimate the feel-good factor that will bring for many. |  |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:03 - May 1 with 1204 views | monytowbray |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:00 - May 1 by BrixtonBlue |
Playing devil's advocate, the return of football (even behind closed doors) will be a beacon of hope to a lot of people. The start of a return to normality. I wouldn't underestimate the feel-good factor that will bring for many. |
It would be a “feel good” factor if I could go to gigs again but it ain’t gonna happen any time soon and I accept that.
If people really think Football is a massive priority RN they need some f*cking perspective. There are people in this country who don’t like football so what do they get for their “feel good” factor? Where do you draw the line? | |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:04 - May 1 with 1200 views | footers |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:00 - May 1 by BrixtonBlue |
Playing devil's advocate, the return of football (even behind closed doors) will be a beacon of hope to a lot of people. The start of a return to normality. I wouldn't underestimate the feel-good factor that will bring for many. |
It wouldn't be a feel-good factor for us to start playing again, far from it. Think we've all suffered enough. |  |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:05 - May 1 with 1197 views | homer_123 |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:00 - May 1 by BrixtonBlue |
Playing devil's advocate, the return of football (even behind closed doors) will be a beacon of hope to a lot of people. The start of a return to normality. I wouldn't underestimate the feel-good factor that will bring for many. |
I understand what you are saying but Callis point remains the same.
Maybe we've got beyond watching overpaid blokes kick a ball about....in the same way we've got beyond watching numpties on YouTube talk sh*t and get paid for it etc etc etc | |
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| (No subject) on 11:08 - May 1 with 1181 views | Radlett_blue |
| (No subject) on 10:34 - May 1 by monytowbray |
English football seems to be having a massive "self importance" issue right now.
Yes it's a huge part of our culture as a nation, but also it's a luxury and everyone knows that, bar them it seems.
When pretty much the entire population is more concerned about both present and future work, food, bills, etc (for both themselves and those around them) no one really gives that much of a f*ck about watching some overpaid blokes kick a ball around to generate a bloated income for even more wealthy blokes. Yeah we're all in the same boat right now but what makes a game that adds nothing to the basic functioning of society so special?
Then you've got most clubs still releasing STs with early bird deals for a product they can't even deliver, asking for money from people who are financially uncertain. Sorry Marcus, but giving you £30 a month right now is low on my priorities and I'm one of the lucky ones who is still working. I dread to think how I'd feel about that if I wasn't, but I'd imagine "are you taking the p1ss?" would be my response.
I never thought I'd say this, but I'm really questioning my loyalties to the club. I stopped caring about the wider game years ago and was only really concerned about ITFC. Now I barely give a sh1t about that. Doesn't help I've just watched 2 of the worst seasons in our history mind you.
Football needs to just f*ck off and get in the bin. If it wasn't such a greed fest it wouldn't have problems to this level. What you reap is what you sow. It's the backroom staff selling tickets, cleaning, answering phones and keeping the social/news stuff up to date I feel for. Imagine working for a company that has that level of discrepancy in wages/treatment between staff (because let's face it, Footballers are employees like everyone else).
I need more coffee. This week has been stressful and seeing Football acting like the world revolves around them is a p1ss take. [Post edited 1 May 2020 10:35]
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I agree that football seems relatively insignificant right now. I would also question whether playing games behind closed doors will generate much feel-good among the general population, especially as the complex protocols involved will attract plenty of opprobrium.
However, the Premier League clubs are in a difficult situation, given that (1) they are losing match day revenue (2) they will certainly lose broadcasting income. Most of this will already have effectively been spent or committed to be spent. Given the contractual status & value of players, the clubs feel obliged to pay them, unless they can negotiate wage deferrals or cuts. If, as seems probable, games won't be played in front of fans for a long time, the clubs will be facing huge losses, hence their desperation. |  |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:21 - May 1 with 1163 views | BrixtonBlue |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:03 - May 1 by monytowbray |
It would be a “feel good” factor if I could go to gigs again but it ain’t gonna happen any time soon and I accept that.
If people really think Football is a massive priority RN they need some f*cking perspective. There are people in this country who don’t like football so what do they get for their “feel good” factor? Where do you draw the line? |
I'm not saying it's a massive priority, I'm just saying when these things start to return in some way (whatever it is you love) it will be seen as a beacon of hope to many people. Football, as the country's national sport, is one of those things. There are many others.
Any kind of a beginning of the end of this crisis will be a beacon of hope. | |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:22 - May 1 with 1161 views | Guthrum |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:00 - May 1 by BrixtonBlue |
Playing devil's advocate, the return of football (even behind closed doors) will be a beacon of hope to a lot of people. The start of a return to normality. I wouldn't underestimate the feel-good factor that will bring for many. |
It could also cut the other way if football is re-started, then there is an outbreak among players, staff or others involved (e.g. security people, cleaners) and it has to be abandoned again. |  |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:28 - May 1 with 1147 views | Chrisd |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 10:23 - May 1 by Libero |
I suspect that even if it's a logistic success the supporters won't be too happy judging from comments I've seen online. Lots of German ultra groups very unhappy that it's even being considered currently. |
Players too. |  |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:29 - May 1 with 1141 views | BrixtonBlue |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:22 - May 1 by Guthrum |
It could also cut the other way if football is re-started, then there is an outbreak among players, staff or others involved (e.g. security people, cleaners) and it has to be abandoned again. |
Well yeah, looking at the worst case scenario.
I'm not in any way advocating rushing back too soon, BTW! | |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:30 - May 1 with 1134 views | Libero |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:28 - May 1 by Chrisd |
Players too. |
Ohhh, Juicy! Have some of the German players spoken out in the way Murray has here? | | | |
| (No subject) on 11:31 - May 1 with 1131 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
I'd honestly be happy if football were cancelled permanently. I find it somewhat galling that the return of football is even a remote priority for any person who is not a footballer.
(Puts on tin hat). [Post edited 1 May 2020 11:31]
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| (No subject) on 11:32 - May 1 with 1113 views | BrixtonBlue |
| (No subject) on 11:31 - May 1 by ThisIsMyUsername |
I'd honestly be happy if football were cancelled permanently. I find it somewhat galling that the return of football is even a remote priority for any person who is not a footballer.
(Puts on tin hat). [Post edited 1 May 2020 11:31]
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Who actually said it's a priority? | |
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| (No subject) on 11:34 - May 1 with 1107 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| (No subject) on 11:32 - May 1 by BrixtonBlue |
Who actually said it's a priority? |
No one on this thread. I might have chosen my word wrong. 'Issue' or 'interest' would have been more appropriate. | |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:35 - May 1 with 1097 views | ChateauWines |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:21 - May 1 by BrixtonBlue |
I'm not saying it's a massive priority, I'm just saying when these things start to return in some way (whatever it is you love) it will be seen as a beacon of hope to many people. Football, as the country's national sport, is one of those things. There are many others.
Any kind of a beginning of the end of this crisis will be a beacon of hope. |
Football as usual is thinking purely of itself. I think the clubs are terrified that the wider population has realised that it is not important, plus the pay disparity is obscene. I've been following Town home and away for 20 years (minus MMs last season which I couldnt watch anymore), and considered myself a football nut and I couldnt care less if and when it starts again. The greed and lack perspective of clubs and owners will haunt them after this finishes. | |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:50 - May 1 with 1056 views | Guthrum |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:29 - May 1 by BrixtonBlue |
Well yeah, looking at the worst case scenario.
I'm not in any way advocating rushing back too soon, BTW! |
Indeed. But to some extent we have to. More a matter of not getting carried away by the financially-driven eagerness* of the leagues/clubs.
* or desperation | |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 12:51 - May 1 with 980 views | Chrisd |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 11:30 - May 1 by Libero |
Ohhh, Juicy! Have some of the German players spoken out in the way Murray has here? |
Heard a German football correspondent talking about it this morning on Talksport. He didn’t mention numbers, but said players he’d spoken to weren’t overly happy. | |
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| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 13:03 - May 1 with 950 views | Libero |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 12:51 - May 1 by Chrisd |
Heard a German football correspondent talking about it this morning on Talksport. He didn’t mention numbers, but said players he’d spoken to weren’t overly happy. |
Interesting, again Tifo have done a superb podcast about this with Raphael Honigstein (sp?)
It's available on YouTube if anyone's interested. | | | |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 13:35 - May 1 with 908 views | NotSure |
Don't think football can win in this situation.
If the players refuse to play then they get criticised as they are still picking up their wages and Key Workers are carrying on their jobs
If matches take place then it's all about the greedy clubs who don't care about the risks and are only interested in the TV money.
But that's what happens when you're only interested in money. |  | | |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 15:06 - May 1 with 844 views | monytowbray |
| "People are desperate to get football back on" - Glenn Murray on 13:35 - May 1 by NotSure |
Don't think football can win in this situation.
If the players refuse to play then they get criticised as they are still picking up their wages and Key Workers are carrying on their jobs
If matches take place then it's all about the greedy clubs who don't care about the risks and are only interested in the TV money.
But that's what happens when you're only interested in money. |
It’s almost as if Football is a micro example of how class systems and capitalism works... | |
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