| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday 17:09 - May 1 with 6911 views | uefacup81 |
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 15:36 - May 2 with 2733 views | tractordownsouth |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 15:27 - May 2 by hampstead_blue |
I agree that setting target wasn't the best move.
However, my point is that the left leaning posters here will hammer the Tories regardless hence by headline of BORING.
Would Corbyn have done any better? I very much doubt it. He's out of his depth in the shallow end. This would have crushed him. |
It's nowt to do with Corbyn though, he's not in charge of the country or the Labour Party. It's about whether the government has failed.
For me, I think this is just classic Cummings - fiddling the numbers so it gives more attention to the increase in tests, just as he did in the referendum when made the false £350m claim knowing that the outrage at the lie would focus the public on the fact that we gave money to the EU.
80k tests would have been a decent increase and would have been a positive step for the government, but the fact they changed the measurements means it reeks of dishonesty. |  |
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 17:24 - May 2 with 2697 views | Tonytown |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 15:27 - May 2 by hampstead_blue |
I agree that setting target wasn't the best move.
However, my point is that the left leaning posters here will hammer the Tories regardless hence by headline of BORING.
Would Corbyn have done any better? I very much doubt it. He's out of his depth in the shallow end. This would have crushed him. |
And of course those from the right just swallow the lies without any critical thinking about the points being made.
The Nightingale hospitals are a great thing and built very quickly indeed which the Government should be applauded for.
Fiddling figures for a self imposed target is wrong and they should not have done that.
My other half who is a nurse on a respiratory ward was offered a test on Wednesday along with 500 other nurses to help hit the stupid target and queued for 45 minutes to get it done.
That is a bad thing. [Post edited 2 May 2020 17:29]
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 19:14 - May 2 with 2657 views | Tonytown |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 17:24 - May 2 by Tonytown |
And of course those from the right just swallow the lies without any critical thinking about the points being made.
The Nightingale hospitals are a great thing and built very quickly indeed which the Government should be applauded for.
Fiddling figures for a self imposed target is wrong and they should not have done that.
My other half who is a nurse on a respiratory ward was offered a test on Wednesday along with 500 other nurses to help hit the stupid target and queued for 45 minutes to get it done.
That is a bad thing. [Post edited 2 May 2020 17:29]
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Oh and 32000 of yesterday’s 105000 were put in the post as well.
The brain dead amongst you will think thats another really great achivement | | | |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 19:28 - May 2 with 2650 views | jeera |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 17:24 - May 2 by Tonytown |
And of course those from the right just swallow the lies without any critical thinking about the points being made.
The Nightingale hospitals are a great thing and built very quickly indeed which the Government should be applauded for.
Fiddling figures for a self imposed target is wrong and they should not have done that.
My other half who is a nurse on a respiratory ward was offered a test on Wednesday along with 500 other nurses to help hit the stupid target and queued for 45 minutes to get it done.
That is a bad thing. [Post edited 2 May 2020 17:29]
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The extra hospital facilities are an achievement and I'm firmly in the camp of rather having them and not needing them than the other alternative.
No problem with that at all.
As you and others keep pointing out, it's the way our politics have gone that spin is more important than levelling with the people; it's fecking rude and condescending and not in the spirit of public 'service'.
Why has honesty become such a difficult concept to grasp? [Post edited 2 May 2020 20:01]
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 20:56 - May 2 with 2611 views | tonybied |
What was the figure given for testing on Friday at today's brief? I take it the 30,000 odd tests that were sent out and included in Thursdays figures weren't included in these numbers! |  | | |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 00:10 - May 3 with 2584 views | jeera |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 20:56 - May 2 by tonybied |
What was the figure given for testing on Friday at today's brief? I take it the 30,000 odd tests that were sent out and included in Thursdays figures weren't included in these numbers! |
This is all part of the concern when it comes to desperately trying to reach targets.
What a waste of money and resources. Pathetic.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/some-of-home-covid-19-tests-are-useless-de | |
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 00:21 - May 3 with 2578 views | SpruceMoose |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 15:27 - May 2 by hampstead_blue |
I agree that setting target wasn't the best move.
However, my point is that the left leaning posters here will hammer the Tories regardless hence by headline of BORING.
Would Corbyn have done any better? I very much doubt it. He's out of his depth in the shallow end. This would have crushed him. |
Tell me, how do Tory boots taste? |  |
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 08:05 - May 3 with 2539 views | Churchman |
I have always felt targets should be a means to an end, not an end in themselves. Setting goals to achieve is a good thing. It was stupid to publicly announce it with a fixed figure in my view. The ferocious and dysfunctional press and everyone else were bound to pile in on it and use it against the government. Handcock made a rod for his own back.
In terms of tests numbers, I don’t care how these things are measured providing it’s consistent so you can see trends. Do you track them only when a result is issued or a test taken or posted? It’s a snapshot so it hardly matters. It’s what’s done with the tests that counts. I note France updates its figures weekly. That might have been smarter.
I wish the government was straighter on things. The ‘Daily Mail’ factor does play a big part in government unfortunately, which it shouldn’t but when you see how journalists behave I understand why even if I disagree with it. An example is the questions at the end of the briefing. The journos have all day to think of something sensible and informative, but no, that hardly ever happens. It’s all about the next story, sticking the boot in, making a name etc. [Post edited 3 May 2020 8:25]
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 09:59 - May 3 with 2520 views | eireblue |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 15:27 - May 2 by hampstead_blue |
I agree that setting target wasn't the best move.
However, my point is that the left leaning posters here will hammer the Tories regardless hence by headline of BORING.
Would Corbyn have done any better? I very much doubt it. He's out of his depth in the shallow end. This would have crushed him. |
“Would Corbyn...”
Really.
That’s embarrassing, even for you. |  | | |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 10:09 - May 3 with 2513 views | WD19 |
Ive got a more balanced view on this having reflected this morning.
Some of the behaviour to hit the 100k target was a nonsense. However, without the arbitrary target (and some of the nonsense) there is no way we would be where we are now. The panic to hit the target has mobilised the chain in a way that just would not have happened otherwise. |  | | |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 10:41 - May 3 with 2508 views | eireblue |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 10:09 - May 3 by WD19 |
Ive got a more balanced view on this having reflected this morning.
Some of the behaviour to hit the 100k target was a nonsense. However, without the arbitrary target (and some of the nonsense) there is no way we would be where we are now. The panic to hit the target has mobilised the chain in a way that just would not have happened otherwise. |
In order to do a track and trace, and protect people effectively whilst easing the lockdown, will require a certain amount of resources and require a certain amount of NHS capacity.
Organisations can be incentivised by money of social concerns.
It is quite feasible for the government to state, in order to ease restrictions, we need to hit a certain resource level. This is our plan once we meet it. This is how we will fund it.
It is industry that produces these things. Setting an arbitrary target and hoping industry responds, is not a strategy I would expect from competent politicians. | | | |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 17:20 - May 3 with 2455 views | TractorWood |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 19:07 - May 1 by m14_blue |
Absolutely, I genuinely wouldn’t have minded that at all.
Although, as Guthers says, the media would have had a field day which would have been unhelpful.
What’s really baffling is they backed themselves into this corner, they set the target themselves. |
Agree. They've ruined their credibility by fudging it. Should have just said it's 80k. Short of the target but a massive ramping up that will continue. |  |
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 17:32 - May 3 with 2447 views | jeera |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 10:09 - May 3 by WD19 |
Ive got a more balanced view on this having reflected this morning.
Some of the behaviour to hit the 100k target was a nonsense. However, without the arbitrary target (and some of the nonsense) there is no way we would be where we are now. The panic to hit the target has mobilised the chain in a way that just would not have happened otherwise. |
And the waste created by the panic?
£££s down the drain because of incomplete packages sent out just in order to meet a figure no one expected nor really cared about. | |
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 17:35 - May 3 with 2452 views | Trequartista |
The figures from the past two days have been well short of 100k. This shows it was a blatant fiddle. I expect that from politicians. What worries me is the experts on either side of the minister at the podium seem complicit. We hang on their expert words but I feel if they don't back the government line, they wouldn't be standing there. [Post edited 3 May 2020 17:36]
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 17:43 - May 3 with 2432 views | m14_blue |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 17:35 - May 3 by Trequartista |
The figures from the past two days have been well short of 100k. This shows it was a blatant fiddle. I expect that from politicians. What worries me is the experts on either side of the minister at the podium seem complicit. We hang on their expert words but I feel if they don't back the government line, they wouldn't be standing there. [Post edited 3 May 2020 17:36]
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Totally agree, makes me very uncomfortable. | | | |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 19:53 - May 3 with 2408 views | Tonytown |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 17:43 - May 3 by m14_blue |
Totally agree, makes me very uncomfortable. |
John Newton said that the counting method had been agreed after reference to officials.
The questions should have been
which officials agreed that method
why do you count tests posted to people when sent rather than when returned by them
Do you definitely not count the returned tests as that would of course be double counting
Today’s number includes 22000 sent out in the post so is really only about 54000 [Post edited 3 May 2020 19:56]
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 19:58 - May 3 with 2404 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 17:35 - May 3 by Trequartista |
The figures from the past two days have been well short of 100k. This shows it was a blatant fiddle. I expect that from politicians. What worries me is the experts on either side of the minister at the podium seem complicit. We hang on their expert words but I feel if they don't back the government line, they wouldn't be standing there. [Post edited 3 May 2020 17:36]
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Yep. Like coming out and saying that WHO advice doesn't apply to developed countries, when the WHO doesn't differentiate. Anyone who thinks they are standing in those press conference and giving honest, open opinions is ridiculously naive.
I gave them the benefit of the doubt on the test figures, as I don't think specific numbers are as important as seeing a ramping up in activity and clarity around what their approach is. But it turns out it was a cynical manipulation of the press to generate some good headlines for a day. They are pretty shameless. [Post edited 3 May 2020 20:26]
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 22:54 - May 3 with 2364 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 10:09 - May 3 by WD19 |
Ive got a more balanced view on this having reflected this morning.
Some of the behaviour to hit the 100k target was a nonsense. However, without the arbitrary target (and some of the nonsense) there is no way we would be where we are now. The panic to hit the target has mobilised the chain in a way that just would not have happened otherwise. |
So we are now getting 100K plus every day are we?
There is no suspicion some tests were held back to be posted on the specific day in order to make sure those posted made up the numbers is there? |  |
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 23:40 - May 3 with 2359 views | Tonytown |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 22:54 - May 3 by Nthsuffolkblue |
So we are now getting 100K plus every day are we?
There is no suspicion some tests were held back to be posted on the specific day in order to make sure those posted made up the numbers is there? |
I’m sure that the posters who agree with everything blue will say how good they are doing and we should stop questioning anything.
We had a 3 week start on Italy to learn the lessons about social distancing and locking down, but despite that we are going to end up with a higher death toll then them. | | | |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 07:40 - May 4 with 2319 views | Churchman |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 23:40 - May 3 by Tonytown |
I’m sure that the posters who agree with everything blue will say how good they are doing and we should stop questioning anything.
We had a 3 week start on Italy to learn the lessons about social distancing and locking down, but despite that we are going to end up with a higher death toll then them. |
Time will tell on actual death rate but there should be caution on published figures. On April 1st on the BBC website:
‘In the small Italian town of Nembro, in Lombardy, only 31 people have officially died from Covid-19. But one preliminary study has found that it’s likely that far more people have died from Covid-19. That’s because the overall death rate — not just from Covid-19, but from all causes — was four times higher this year than in the same period last year. Ordinarily, around 35 people die in the first months of the year in Nembro. This year, 158 people were registered to have died’.
In other words, actual death rate this year over usual average is the only way of counting this. In South America, C19 carries a social stigma. No family wants their deceased love one labelled with it and given the scale of poverty in some places accurate reporting is negligible anyway. The figures for Brazil for example look ludicrous. In America, only deaths where C-19 was the actual cause are recorded. In the UK if you are thought you may have had it, it goes in the stats.
As for testing, I accept that with the numbers, actual tests may drop at the weekend given scale (the awful Gove’s reason) if the number of tests is not over 100k on Tues then there will be questions to answer about Fridays figure. | | | |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 10:51 - May 4 with 2298 views | noggin |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 18:41 - May 1 by BlueForYou |
Here here! The negativity on here at times is depressing. Socialists wouldn't have done any better. |
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 11:15 - May 4 with 2280 views | monytowbray |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 10:51 - May 4 by noggin |
lol. (at this reply, not the situation) |
I mean, has he not realised the socialists would have likely had better preparation in the first place but, ya know, not underfunding healthcare and putting big business above workers when it kicked off?
Let's all remember we're not far off topping Italy for deaths now and close to 50% over the 20k figure that would have been a good outcome by their own merit. We've failed the one thing that was more important than all else - people not dying.
Boris Johnson could come round your house, get your wife pregnant, sh1t on the living room carpet, stab your dog and eat the last slice of leftover pizza in the fridge you were excitedly saving for breakfast. Yet a chunk of the population would still cheer him on. |  |
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 11:17 - May 4 with 2276 views | gordon |
Another lie which is being peddled out at those Press Conferences, with complicity from the Government scientists, is the idea that 'we timed our lockdown to coincide with the peak'.
The peak is an artificial peak in infections caused by the lockdown measures. If we'd locked down earlier, the peak would have been earlier and lower - if we'd locked down later, it would have been later and bigger. [Post edited 4 May 2020 11:17]
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| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 11:21 - May 4 with 2270 views | monytowbray |
| 122,000 tests carried out yesterday on 11:17 - May 4 by gordon |
Another lie which is being peddled out at those Press Conferences, with complicity from the Government scientists, is the idea that 'we timed our lockdown to coincide with the peak'.
The peak is an artificial peak in infections caused by the lockdown measures. If we'd locked down earlier, the peak would have been earlier and lower - if we'd locked down later, it would have been later and bigger. [Post edited 4 May 2020 11:17]
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It's likely those who f*ck it up more will get the economy back to normal sooner though in the long run, so I'm excitedly looking forward to the bootlickers celebrating that spin when the Tories and Trump come out with that angle.
Who cares about the fact more people died because MONEY. | |
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