| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning 13:09 - May 7 with 10440 views | Tommyparker |
Conservatives 50%
Labour 30% |  | | |  |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 19:42 - May 8 with 1695 views | NotSure |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 17:48 - May 8 by gazzer1999 |
Your arrogance knows no bounds does it? I have no fake indignant outrage I merely asked you to show some class with your outrageous comment. I can only assume living in America has removed what if any you already had.
I am far from happy with the situation in the UK, however we are where we are at the moment and yes it is a shambles. What I do fail to see is why you are constantly having a go at the government, it is the health workers that are treating these people not the prime minister. Just because you are old and live run a care home does not make you a conservative. Get behind the country rather constantly carping about it. |
I assume from your reply he has called you an idiot.
Just put him ignore, that’s what I did.
He insults and abuses people and then has a go at them for not “contributing positively” |  | | |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 19:43 - May 8 with 1680 views | Pecker |
I'll politely stay out of this one. |  | | |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 20:03 - May 8 with 1667 views | SpruceMoose |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 19:35 - May 8 by m14_blue |
Hold on, are you blaming health workers for the deaths? |
There's a depressing number of woefully misinformed posters on here right now. Makes me wonder what else in life they're so woefully misinformed about.
And that's not even including the trolls like that NotSure fella. |  |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 20:18 - May 8 with 1643 views | vapour_trail |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 13:14 - May 7 by SpruceMoose |
Killed off too many of their voters in care homes. |
Thing is, most of the folk in care homes don’t vote any more.
If they did, I’m in absolutely no doubt that things would have been very different for them. They have been left to die without any thought. |  |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 20:21 - May 8 with 1639 views | SpruceMoose |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 20:18 - May 8 by vapour_trail |
Thing is, most of the folk in care homes don’t vote any more.
If they did, I’m in absolutely no doubt that things would have been very different for them. They have been left to die without any thought. |
100% agree. Yet we still have folk pushing the whole 'well no other government could have done any better, they've done the best they could' line. Or even worse, all this '#JustAnotherLeftieBumFest' business.
It makes me wonder, what exactly do the Conservatives have to do to get some people to wake up and start questioning them? [Post edited 8 May 2020 20:24]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 22:34 - May 8 with 1604 views | GunnsAirkick |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 13:52 - May 7 by monytowbray |
Also I thought Starmer was Labour’s saviour and would win an election hands down?
I worry Labour’s best chance in many years will be 2017, yet was sabotaged both internally and those who wanted a more neoliberal leader. |
He's been in charge for a month and there's a global pandemic happening FFS. If it's like this in a year or so, fair enough, but give the guy a chance.
I gave Corbyn a chance, stupidly I voted for him first time around. He spent his first month either running away or getting pissy with journalists. Didn't you call Ed Miliband a Blairite? You've now completed the "I joined the Labour Party in 2015 to vote for Corbyn" buzzword bingo with the neoliberal slant, maybe you could join the Green Party? |  | | |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 22:47 - May 8 with 1588 views | Ryorry |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 19:27 - May 8 by BlueNomad |
Personality = competence? We may as well be led by the winner of a tv reality show then! |
Isn't that how he got in? 🤔 |  |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 22:59 - May 8 with 1578 views | tractordownsouth |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 19:35 - May 8 by m14_blue |
Hold on, are you blaming health workers for the deaths? |
Bet he goes and claps for them as well... What a mug.
Can't really justify calling himself a patriot either |  |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 23:00 - May 8 with 1573 views | SpruceMoose |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 22:59 - May 8 by tractordownsouth |
Bet he goes and claps for them as well... What a mug.
Can't really justify calling himself a patriot either |
Tory in the sheets, socialist in the streets. | |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 04:02 - May 9 with 1525 views | monytowbray |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 22:34 - May 8 by GunnsAirkick |
He's been in charge for a month and there's a global pandemic happening FFS. If it's like this in a year or so, fair enough, but give the guy a chance.
I gave Corbyn a chance, stupidly I voted for him first time around. He spent his first month either running away or getting pissy with journalists. Didn't you call Ed Miliband a Blairite? You've now completed the "I joined the Labour Party in 2015 to vote for Corbyn" buzzword bingo with the neoliberal slant, maybe you could join the Green Party? |
I already did a few weeks back.
I wanted change, not a tie colour p1ssing contest. |  |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 14:27 - May 9 with 1461 views | GunnsAirkick |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 04:02 - May 9 by monytowbray |
I already did a few weeks back.
I wanted change, not a tie colour p1ssing contest. |
The tie colour thing is a very simplistic view of things. The notion that a more centrist Labour is exactly the same as the Conservatives is utter nonsense. Labour under Blair introduced a lot of Socialist policies (two prominent ones are the Minimum Wage and SureStart). If he hadn't gone mad and backed Bush in Iraq (which I can never forgive him for), I wouldn't be surprised if we still had a Labour Government now.
Sorry for the arsey tone of my post, it just irks me when some people who joined Labour in 2015 to vote for Corbyn are very intolerant of anyone not deemed 'left' enough (or you're a 'Blairite' or 'Neoliberal'). Labour has always been a broad church whether Corbyn supporters like it or not and that model has been the only one that has won elections (even the Atlee Governement of 1945 was a broad mixture of people from the left and right of the party).
I think you're going to be very disappointed in your political life if you're not a bit more pragmatic. I've seen some of your views on Capitalism and fully agree with a lot of it. This country will never vote to get rid of Capitalism though, we are an extremely consumer driven nation (even the often cited 'Nordic Model' countries use Mixed-Mode economies). It is a grossly unfair system though, but if you believe a Starmer led Labour Government would be no different to tackling inequality compared to the current shower I think you're a bit deluded.
Put it this way, Labour could get in and actually make some changes for a fairer society, as they always have done to varying degrees. The Green Party might fit in more with your personal political views (fair enough), but they have no chance of making any meaningful changes to the lives of the worst off in this country. | | | |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 15:02 - May 9 with 1438 views | m14_blue |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 14:27 - May 9 by GunnsAirkick |
The tie colour thing is a very simplistic view of things. The notion that a more centrist Labour is exactly the same as the Conservatives is utter nonsense. Labour under Blair introduced a lot of Socialist policies (two prominent ones are the Minimum Wage and SureStart). If he hadn't gone mad and backed Bush in Iraq (which I can never forgive him for), I wouldn't be surprised if we still had a Labour Government now.
Sorry for the arsey tone of my post, it just irks me when some people who joined Labour in 2015 to vote for Corbyn are very intolerant of anyone not deemed 'left' enough (or you're a 'Blairite' or 'Neoliberal'). Labour has always been a broad church whether Corbyn supporters like it or not and that model has been the only one that has won elections (even the Atlee Governement of 1945 was a broad mixture of people from the left and right of the party).
I think you're going to be very disappointed in your political life if you're not a bit more pragmatic. I've seen some of your views on Capitalism and fully agree with a lot of it. This country will never vote to get rid of Capitalism though, we are an extremely consumer driven nation (even the often cited 'Nordic Model' countries use Mixed-Mode economies). It is a grossly unfair system though, but if you believe a Starmer led Labour Government would be no different to tackling inequality compared to the current shower I think you're a bit deluded.
Put it this way, Labour could get in and actually make some changes for a fairer society, as they always have done to varying degrees. The Green Party might fit in more with your personal political views (fair enough), but they have no chance of making any meaningful changes to the lives of the worst off in this country. |
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To suggest there’s no difference between Starmer’s Labour and this Government is just demonstrably and obviously total nonsense. | | | |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 15:03 - May 9 with 1437 views | Ryorry |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 14:27 - May 9 by GunnsAirkick |
The tie colour thing is a very simplistic view of things. The notion that a more centrist Labour is exactly the same as the Conservatives is utter nonsense. Labour under Blair introduced a lot of Socialist policies (two prominent ones are the Minimum Wage and SureStart). If he hadn't gone mad and backed Bush in Iraq (which I can never forgive him for), I wouldn't be surprised if we still had a Labour Government now.
Sorry for the arsey tone of my post, it just irks me when some people who joined Labour in 2015 to vote for Corbyn are very intolerant of anyone not deemed 'left' enough (or you're a 'Blairite' or 'Neoliberal'). Labour has always been a broad church whether Corbyn supporters like it or not and that model has been the only one that has won elections (even the Atlee Governement of 1945 was a broad mixture of people from the left and right of the party).
I think you're going to be very disappointed in your political life if you're not a bit more pragmatic. I've seen some of your views on Capitalism and fully agree with a lot of it. This country will never vote to get rid of Capitalism though, we are an extremely consumer driven nation (even the often cited 'Nordic Model' countries use Mixed-Mode economies). It is a grossly unfair system though, but if you believe a Starmer led Labour Government would be no different to tackling inequality compared to the current shower I think you're a bit deluded.
Put it this way, Labour could get in and actually make some changes for a fairer society, as they always have done to varying degrees. The Green Party might fit in more with your personal political views (fair enough), but they have no chance of making any meaningful changes to the lives of the worst off in this country. |
Couldn't agree more. There are a handful more posters on here who could take useful note of what you're saying. | |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 15:22 - May 9 with 1417 views | GlasgowBlue |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 14:27 - May 9 by GunnsAirkick |
The tie colour thing is a very simplistic view of things. The notion that a more centrist Labour is exactly the same as the Conservatives is utter nonsense. Labour under Blair introduced a lot of Socialist policies (two prominent ones are the Minimum Wage and SureStart). If he hadn't gone mad and backed Bush in Iraq (which I can never forgive him for), I wouldn't be surprised if we still had a Labour Government now.
Sorry for the arsey tone of my post, it just irks me when some people who joined Labour in 2015 to vote for Corbyn are very intolerant of anyone not deemed 'left' enough (or you're a 'Blairite' or 'Neoliberal'). Labour has always been a broad church whether Corbyn supporters like it or not and that model has been the only one that has won elections (even the Atlee Governement of 1945 was a broad mixture of people from the left and right of the party).
I think you're going to be very disappointed in your political life if you're not a bit more pragmatic. I've seen some of your views on Capitalism and fully agree with a lot of it. This country will never vote to get rid of Capitalism though, we are an extremely consumer driven nation (even the often cited 'Nordic Model' countries use Mixed-Mode economies). It is a grossly unfair system though, but if you believe a Starmer led Labour Government would be no different to tackling inequality compared to the current shower I think you're a bit deluded.
Put it this way, Labour could get in and actually make some changes for a fairer society, as they always have done to varying degrees. The Green Party might fit in more with your personal political views (fair enough), but they have no chance of making any meaningful changes to the lives of the worst off in this country. |
And Starmer is far from being a Blairite. He's much closer to Harold Wilson than to Blair.
In fact he was a thorn ion Blair and Brown's side when he was a partner in Doughty Street Chambers. It's one of the reasons he was given the job as head of the CPS.
Stamer is very much a pragmatist though. Could you imagine his predecessor writing a leader in the Torygraph saluting the VE veterans or speaking in such positive terms about what the Queen had to say last night?
He'll reach the old working class Labour vote who deserted the party last year whilst attracting floating voters which is needed to win the next election.
I can't believe people are moaning about his polling numbers nearly five years before a General Election and when he is only a few weeks in the job. |  |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 15:32 - May 9 with 1406 views | monytowbray |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 14:27 - May 9 by GunnsAirkick |
The tie colour thing is a very simplistic view of things. The notion that a more centrist Labour is exactly the same as the Conservatives is utter nonsense. Labour under Blair introduced a lot of Socialist policies (two prominent ones are the Minimum Wage and SureStart). If he hadn't gone mad and backed Bush in Iraq (which I can never forgive him for), I wouldn't be surprised if we still had a Labour Government now.
Sorry for the arsey tone of my post, it just irks me when some people who joined Labour in 2015 to vote for Corbyn are very intolerant of anyone not deemed 'left' enough (or you're a 'Blairite' or 'Neoliberal'). Labour has always been a broad church whether Corbyn supporters like it or not and that model has been the only one that has won elections (even the Atlee Governement of 1945 was a broad mixture of people from the left and right of the party).
I think you're going to be very disappointed in your political life if you're not a bit more pragmatic. I've seen some of your views on Capitalism and fully agree with a lot of it. This country will never vote to get rid of Capitalism though, we are an extremely consumer driven nation (even the often cited 'Nordic Model' countries use Mixed-Mode economies). It is a grossly unfair system though, but if you believe a Starmer led Labour Government would be no different to tackling inequality compared to the current shower I think you're a bit deluded.
Put it this way, Labour could get in and actually make some changes for a fairer society, as they always have done to varying degrees. The Green Party might fit in more with your personal political views (fair enough), but they have no chance of making any meaningful changes to the lives of the worst off in this country. |
It’s not enough if we want a planet to remain in 50 years time.
I also never joined Labour. | |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 16:06 - May 9 with 1387 views | NewcyBlue |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 14:27 - May 9 by GunnsAirkick |
The tie colour thing is a very simplistic view of things. The notion that a more centrist Labour is exactly the same as the Conservatives is utter nonsense. Labour under Blair introduced a lot of Socialist policies (two prominent ones are the Minimum Wage and SureStart). If he hadn't gone mad and backed Bush in Iraq (which I can never forgive him for), I wouldn't be surprised if we still had a Labour Government now.
Sorry for the arsey tone of my post, it just irks me when some people who joined Labour in 2015 to vote for Corbyn are very intolerant of anyone not deemed 'left' enough (or you're a 'Blairite' or 'Neoliberal'). Labour has always been a broad church whether Corbyn supporters like it or not and that model has been the only one that has won elections (even the Atlee Governement of 1945 was a broad mixture of people from the left and right of the party).
I think you're going to be very disappointed in your political life if you're not a bit more pragmatic. I've seen some of your views on Capitalism and fully agree with a lot of it. This country will never vote to get rid of Capitalism though, we are an extremely consumer driven nation (even the often cited 'Nordic Model' countries use Mixed-Mode economies). It is a grossly unfair system though, but if you believe a Starmer led Labour Government would be no different to tackling inequality compared to the current shower I think you're a bit deluded.
Put it this way, Labour could get in and actually make some changes for a fairer society, as they always have done to varying degrees. The Green Party might fit in more with your personal political views (fair enough), but they have no chance of making any meaningful changes to the lives of the worst off in this country. |
I worry that the far left can’t see past this whole “red Tory” bollox.
It’s all well and good screaming for changes, but without being in a position to effect change, it’s just noise. |  |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 16:19 - May 9 with 1376 views | monytowbray |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 16:06 - May 9 by NewcyBlue |
I worry that the far left can’t see past this whole “red Tory” bollox.
It’s all well and good screaming for changes, but without being in a position to effect change, it’s just noise. |
We were in that position with Corbyn. Probably the only time in my life we’ll have to pull back some actual socialist ideals rather than letting billionaires run riot.
I’m a floating voter and have never been a die hard of any party. | |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 17:41 - May 9 with 1359 views | GunnsAirkick |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 16:19 - May 9 by monytowbray |
We were in that position with Corbyn. Probably the only time in my life we’ll have to pull back some actual socialist ideals rather than letting billionaires run riot.
I’m a floating voter and have never been a die hard of any party. |
Apologies, I thought from how you were speaking that you were a member.
Corbyn put forward a radical manifesto and there is some good stuff in it. I wanted him to succeed, but going back to my other post the British electorate rejected it. There was just too much in there and it wasn't feasible to many people. Was he hamstrung? Yes, but he couldn't even defeat May and she was bloody dreadful, he was the master of some of his failings not just the media. This is not a dig, I'm genuinely interested what you hope to get out of voting for the Green Party? I think you're right that Starmer will not bring forward the radical change that Corbyn would, but as per my other post even bogey man Tony Blair introduced a lot of Socialist policies and Starmer is firmly to the left of him. What would you prefer, some Socialist policies, or the Tories in power forever and a vote for the Green Party who have no chance whatsoever of winning? [Post edited 9 May 2020 17:50]
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 17:46 - May 9 with 1351 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 15:32 - May 9 by monytowbray |
It’s not enough if we want a planet to remain in 50 years time.
I also never joined Labour. |
LOL if you think whoever is leading the UK government will make any difference to the worldwide problem of global warming |  |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 17:46 - May 9 with 1349 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 14:27 - May 9 by GunnsAirkick |
The tie colour thing is a very simplistic view of things. The notion that a more centrist Labour is exactly the same as the Conservatives is utter nonsense. Labour under Blair introduced a lot of Socialist policies (two prominent ones are the Minimum Wage and SureStart). If he hadn't gone mad and backed Bush in Iraq (which I can never forgive him for), I wouldn't be surprised if we still had a Labour Government now.
Sorry for the arsey tone of my post, it just irks me when some people who joined Labour in 2015 to vote for Corbyn are very intolerant of anyone not deemed 'left' enough (or you're a 'Blairite' or 'Neoliberal'). Labour has always been a broad church whether Corbyn supporters like it or not and that model has been the only one that has won elections (even the Atlee Governement of 1945 was a broad mixture of people from the left and right of the party).
I think you're going to be very disappointed in your political life if you're not a bit more pragmatic. I've seen some of your views on Capitalism and fully agree with a lot of it. This country will never vote to get rid of Capitalism though, we are an extremely consumer driven nation (even the often cited 'Nordic Model' countries use Mixed-Mode economies). It is a grossly unfair system though, but if you believe a Starmer led Labour Government would be no different to tackling inequality compared to the current shower I think you're a bit deluded.
Put it this way, Labour could get in and actually make some changes for a fairer society, as they always have done to varying degrees. The Green Party might fit in more with your personal political views (fair enough), but they have no chance of making any meaningful changes to the lives of the worst off in this country. |
Outstanding post | |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 17:47 - May 9 with 1348 views | SpruceMoose |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 17:46 - May 9 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
LOL if you think whoever is leading the UK government will make any difference to the worldwide problem of global warming |
They won't with that smug attitude... | |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 17:52 - May 9 with 1338 views | footers |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 17:47 - May 9 by SpruceMoose |
They won't with that smug attitude... |
And only $32bn from UK companies was invested in new coal plants last year, basically a drop in the ocean. |  |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 17:53 - May 9 with 1338 views | sparks |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 15:22 - May 9 by GlasgowBlue |
And Starmer is far from being a Blairite. He's much closer to Harold Wilson than to Blair.
In fact he was a thorn ion Blair and Brown's side when he was a partner in Doughty Street Chambers. It's one of the reasons he was given the job as head of the CPS.
Stamer is very much a pragmatist though. Could you imagine his predecessor writing a leader in the Torygraph saluting the VE veterans or speaking in such positive terms about what the Queen had to say last night?
He'll reach the old working class Labour vote who deserted the party last year whilst attracting floating voters which is needed to win the next election.
I can't believe people are moaning about his polling numbers nearly five years before a General Election and when he is only a few weeks in the job. |
Just for the record- barristers are self employed and gather in together to share some facilities etc in "chambers" - they aren't partners.
Sorry for the pedantry. |  |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 18:01 - May 9 with 1327 views | monytowbray |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 17:41 - May 9 by GunnsAirkick |
Apologies, I thought from how you were speaking that you were a member.
Corbyn put forward a radical manifesto and there is some good stuff in it. I wanted him to succeed, but going back to my other post the British electorate rejected it. There was just too much in there and it wasn't feasible to many people. Was he hamstrung? Yes, but he couldn't even defeat May and she was bloody dreadful, he was the master of some of his failings not just the media. This is not a dig, I'm genuinely interested what you hope to get out of voting for the Green Party? I think you're right that Starmer will not bring forward the radical change that Corbyn would, but as per my other post even bogey man Tony Blair introduced a lot of Socialist policies and Starmer is firmly to the left of him. What would you prefer, some Socialist policies, or the Tories in power forever and a vote for the Green Party who have no chance whatsoever of winning? [Post edited 9 May 2020 17:50]
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I could ask the same question of the Labour Party Members who purposely sabotaged the last election.
I think it’s a bit rich to spend 5 years doing that and then ask the “what would you prefer?” option. Frankly neither at this point. I’m disillusioned with democracy, it doesn’t really exist anymore. | |
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| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 18:02 - May 9 with 1325 views | monytowbray |
| YouGov latest opinion poll this morning on 17:46 - May 9 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
LOL if you think whoever is leading the UK government will make any difference to the worldwide problem of global warming |
Well exactly. So why are we still having a race to the bottom? | |
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