| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... 13:10 - May 13 with 4960 views | uefacup81 |
Less than an hour after PMQs and this has already been sent to Boris:
It's almost as if he had 99% of the letter already drafted, and just needed to know precisely what to quote Boris has having said. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 13:13 - May 13 with 2955 views | Swansea_Blue |
Ah, the sight of competence. Welcome back The Labour Party. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 13:14 - May 13 with 2955 views | SpruceMoose |
Seems like a good time saver to have a 'Boris Lied' template saved and ready to go each week, where the new lie(s) can quickly be typed in and sent off. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 13:26 - May 13 with 2883 views | uefacup81 |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 13:14 - May 13 by SpruceMoose |
Seems like a good time saver to have a 'Boris Lied' template saved and ready to go each week, where the new lie(s) can quickly be typed in and sent off. |
I suppose the big question is whether Boris will freely return to correct the record. If not, one would hope that the Speaker has the cojones to bring him before the house to do so.
If Starmer starts using stuff like this as a very effective weapon (already having proven to Raab that you lie/obfuscate at your peril), I imagine it's likely that PMQs could start taking a hugely different tone in future. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 13:27 - May 13 with 2887 views | StokieBlue |
He's excellent.
It is highlighting how poorly the government has been held to account over the last few years though.
It's excellent to see the opposition back and functioning well, especially at this most crucial of times.
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 13:29 - May 13 with 2866 views | SpruceMoose |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 13:27 - May 13 by StokieBlue |
He's excellent.
It is highlighting how poorly the government has been held to account over the last few years though.
It's excellent to see the opposition back and functioning well, especially at this most crucial of times.
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You mean to say it's good to have a Labour Party that's being led more effectively than a local allotment committee? Fully agree! | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 13:48 - May 13 with 2751 views | Guthrum |
That's what you get for hiring a QC. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:05 - May 13 with 2667 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I am copying this letter to.... Everyone. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:08 - May 13 with 2648 views | Darth_Koont |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 13:13 - May 13 by Swansea_Blue |
Ah, the sight of competence. Welcome back The Labour Party. |
Just needs to couple his undoubted QC skills with principles and values worth voting for.
Not saying he won't. But if this is just about playing the game of politics like a top barrister could then this is ineffective opposition of a different kind. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:09 - May 13 with 2639 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:08 - May 13 by Darth_Koont |
Just needs to couple his undoubted QC skills with principles and values worth voting for.
Not saying he won't. But if this is just about playing the game of politics like a top barrister could then this is ineffective opposition of a different kind. |
Agreed. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:11 - May 13 with 2636 views | gordon |
It's an interesting situation - Johnson is likely to be embarrassed by Starmer on a weekly basis for the forseeable future, at least until the rest of his mob are allowed in to heckle and jeer, and assuming Johnson continues to show up for it.
But will it matter with the unwashed masses anyway? The fact that Johnson is a gibbering idiot was surely priced in when they voted for him. |  | | |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:14 - May 13 with 2621 views | gordon |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:08 - May 13 by Darth_Koont |
Just needs to couple his undoubted QC skills with principles and values worth voting for.
Not saying he won't. But if this is just about playing the game of politics like a top barrister could then this is ineffective opposition of a different kind. |
I think all the principles and values he really needs are just not to be an egotistical w*nker. He really doesn't have to promise to re-nationalise the moon or whatever.
Completely contradicted my post above, but whatever, I'm not Robert Peston am I. [Post edited 13 May 2020 14:15]
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:20 - May 13 with 2578 views | N2_Blue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:11 - May 13 by gordon |
It's an interesting situation - Johnson is likely to be embarrassed by Starmer on a weekly basis for the forseeable future, at least until the rest of his mob are allowed in to heckle and jeer, and assuming Johnson continues to show up for it.
But will it matter with the unwashed masses anyway? The fact that Johnson is a gibbering idiot was surely priced in when they voted for him. |
While Starmer has been brilliant so far it unfortunately won't make any difference to the masses. They are brainwashed into voting Tory by our predominantly biased and right-wing press. Until that changes the government in this country will be a blue one.
The last time we had a Labour government was because the redtops backed Blair.
An electorate that can vote in Boris as PM and the Tory party with their recent track record and even more so after Boris' lame and embarrassing performance as foreign secretary will not be influenced by being torn apart in PMQ's even if it shows the government to lie consistently. We already knew this! |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:26 - May 13 with 2547 views | DanTheMan |
On a general note from this specific example, I'd generally like to see more of this from all sides.
You shouldn't just be able to lie outright at PMQs or other times and just "get away with it", especially when the statement is so clearly wrong.
One of the things that really bugs me generally about our current system is that it's:
1) Ask a question.
2) Get an answer.
3) Repeat steps 1 and 2.
There is never a time where the person asking the question can follow up on the response. Obviously you can't have an infinite debate on every question but it leads to really silly scenarios where you basically can almost entirely ignore a legitimate question to make a funny remark and the move on. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:26 - May 13 with 2538 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:20 - May 13 by N2_Blue |
While Starmer has been brilliant so far it unfortunately won't make any difference to the masses. They are brainwashed into voting Tory by our predominantly biased and right-wing press. Until that changes the government in this country will be a blue one.
The last time we had a Labour government was because the redtops backed Blair.
An electorate that can vote in Boris as PM and the Tory party with their recent track record and even more so after Boris' lame and embarrassing performance as foreign secretary will not be influenced by being torn apart in PMQ's even if it shows the government to lie consistently. We already knew this! |
This move proves that he is a good barrister.
We already know that.
He needs to prove that he is a good politician, and a viable leader of the opposition.
Pedantry will wear thin (although Twitter is built on pedantry), but it's a useful party trick if not over used. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:27 - May 13 with 2529 views | DanTheMan |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:26 - May 13 by Marshalls_Mullet |
This move proves that he is a good barrister.
We already know that.
He needs to prove that he is a good politician, and a viable leader of the opposition.
Pedantry will wear thin (although Twitter is built on pedantry), but it's a useful party trick if not over used. |
This isn't pedantry though. It's saying something that is blatantly false. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:28 - May 13 with 2518 views | Darth_Koont |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:14 - May 13 by gordon |
I think all the principles and values he really needs are just not to be an egotistical w*nker. He really doesn't have to promise to re-nationalise the moon or whatever.
Completely contradicted my post above, but whatever, I'm not Robert Peston am I. [Post edited 13 May 2020 14:15]
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The bar of being "better than the Tories" is so ridiculously low anyway. No,I mean prÃnciples and values that would result in progressive and modern policies and not just New Labour and a wasted opportunity all over again. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:42 - May 13 with 2464 views | m14_blue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:26 - May 13 by Marshalls_Mullet |
This move proves that he is a good barrister.
We already know that.
He needs to prove that he is a good politician, and a viable leader of the opposition.
Pedantry will wear thin (although Twitter is built on pedantry), but it's a useful party trick if not over used. |
The PM blatantly lying about their actions involving thousands of deaths in care homes is pedantry?
Jesus fcuking Christ.
Lying in public office has been so normalised by this iteration of the tories that people like you think it’s somehow bad form to expect different. |  | | |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:44 - May 13 with 2449 views | gordon |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:28 - May 13 by Darth_Koont |
The bar of being "better than the Tories" is so ridiculously low anyway. No,I mean prÃnciples and values that would result in progressive and modern policies and not just New Labour and a wasted opportunity all over again. |
I'm pretty sure that beating the Tories is actually the bar though, isn't it? | | | |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:46 - May 13 with 2434 views | gordon |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:26 - May 13 by DanTheMan |
On a general note from this specific example, I'd generally like to see more of this from all sides.
You shouldn't just be able to lie outright at PMQs or other times and just "get away with it", especially when the statement is so clearly wrong.
One of the things that really bugs me generally about our current system is that it's:
1) Ask a question.
2) Get an answer.
3) Repeat steps 1 and 2.
There is never a time where the person asking the question can follow up on the response. Obviously you can't have an infinite debate on every question but it leads to really silly scenarios where you basically can almost entirely ignore a legitimate question to make a funny remark and the move on. |
'I'd just like to take this opportunity to pay tribute to our excellent history of robust debate based on proper British values.' | | | |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:50 - May 13 with 2409 views | sparks |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:20 - May 13 by N2_Blue |
While Starmer has been brilliant so far it unfortunately won't make any difference to the masses. They are brainwashed into voting Tory by our predominantly biased and right-wing press. Until that changes the government in this country will be a blue one.
The last time we had a Labour government was because the redtops backed Blair.
An electorate that can vote in Boris as PM and the Tory party with their recent track record and even more so after Boris' lame and embarrassing performance as foreign secretary will not be influenced by being torn apart in PMQ's even if it shows the government to lie consistently. We already knew this! |
Have you read the Mirror or Metro recently? |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:57 - May 13 with 2379 views | m14_blue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:08 - May 13 by Darth_Koont |
Just needs to couple his undoubted QC skills with principles and values worth voting for.
Not saying he won't. But if this is just about playing the game of politics like a top barrister could then this is ineffective opposition of a different kind. |
Holding a dishonest Prime Minister to account for lying to parliament is not some kind of underhand political maneuvering.
It is the bare minimum we should expect from the Leader of the Opposition. | | | |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:05 - May 13 with 2346 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:42 - May 13 by m14_blue |
The PM blatantly lying about their actions involving thousands of deaths in care homes is pedantry?
Jesus fcuking Christ.
Lying in public office has been so normalised by this iteration of the tories that people like you think it’s somehow bad form to expect different. |
Calm down dear. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:08 - May 13 with 2327 views | m14_blue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:05 - May 13 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Calm down dear. |
Good one.
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:11 - May 13 with 2316 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Its about time the leader of the opposition shows BOJO to be the incompetent buffoon that he is.
People could ridicule Corbyn and make him a cartoon. You cannot do that with starmer, this will allow Labour to finally progress and hopefully get rid of these useless Tories, especially the PM. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:15 - May 13 with 2296 views | StokieBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:28 - May 13 by Darth_Koont |
The bar of being "better than the Tories" is so ridiculously low anyway. No,I mean prÃnciples and values that would result in progressive and modern policies and not just New Labour and a wasted opportunity all over again. |
The same point is true as it was the last time you made this point though. You cannot enact change if you aren't in power.
The only time that has happened in 40 years was under New Labour. Might not be perfect but once you are in power you can be more progressive. You can do nothing if you aren't in power.
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