| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best 09:00 - May 19 with 7758 views | hype313 |
And I genuinely didn't know how to answer, first thought was no, but then thought about all the clubs he's played for and his achievements in the game and he must go down as a great, but for some reason I can't find myself putting him in the same bracket as Zidane, or Maradona, or Pele, or Ronaldo (both)
Strange one, I do wonder if his off field antics overshadowed his achievements. |  |
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:07 - May 19 with 4827 views | Swailsey |
I was thinking this about Owen the other day. He isn't looked back on fondly in any real sense, but he still played for some of the biggest clubs in the world, was largely successful and won the bd'o, yet there's definitely a feeling of untapped potential.
I wonder if it's just because they played for our national team, who in themselves haven't been that successful since 1990. We seem to do it a lot with players - Beckham, Kane, Owen, Rooney, Lampard. I don't think we're a fair judge of player, because we have in-house rivalries etc. [Post edited 19 May 2020 9:10]
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:10 - May 19 with 4814 views | Steve_M |
Beckham isn't as good as those you list, but very few players are, but he had a very good career internationally and at club level and a (largely) consistent level of performance within that.
Yes, there was hyperbole but it shouldn't detract from his achievements. A very good player who also seemed to love the game. |  |
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:10 - May 19 with 4811 views | N2_Blue |
He was a very good player and all he achieved on the pitch was deserved, and a fantastic sporting role-model....but he was no where near the calibre of the players you mention.
I don't think off-field stuff overshadows what he did and his playing career. He is well thought of a player and scored some iconic goals ie v Wimbedon / Greece but doubt he'd even get in a top 50 of best players let alone the players you mention. |  |
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:15 - May 19 with 4779 views | JakeITFC |
A very good player in some very good teams but never truly in consideration as the world's best for a sustained period.
Does make you wonder how we underperformed so badly as an England team back then though - goalkeeper aside, we had world class quality in almost every position from 2002-06. |  | | |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:16 - May 19 with 4775 views | ChiefXL |
Beckham wasn't in the same category as Maradona, Pele, Ronaldo(s) or Messi.
But then neither was Zindane.
Ronaldhino on the other hand... |  | | |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:18 - May 19 with 4754 views | Terry_Nutkins |
Beckham was an England Legend. Gave everything. Not in bracket of those players ability wise but was a hero for Utd and England and never had a bad game really. |  |
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:19 - May 19 with 4747 views | StokieBlue |
He was a good player and had a great career with some vital goals (as well as some silly mistakes).
However he can't be considered an all-time great when he was the 4th best midfielder in a midfield 4 at Man Utd.
Giggs - Keane - Scholes - Beckham
Quite some midfield.
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:19 - May 19 with 4747 views | gtsb1966 |
When people mention great players I'm always puzzled why Paul Scholes never gets a mention. He was a brilliant footballer. |  | | |
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:19 - May 19 with 4741 views | homer_123 |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:07 - May 19 by Swailsey |
I was thinking this about Owen the other day. He isn't looked back on fondly in any real sense, but he still played for some of the biggest clubs in the world, was largely successful and won the bd'o, yet there's definitely a feeling of untapped potential.
I wonder if it's just because they played for our national team, who in themselves haven't been that successful since 1990. We seem to do it a lot with players - Beckham, Kane, Owen, Rooney, Lampard. I don't think we're a fair judge of player, because we have in-house rivalries etc. [Post edited 19 May 2020 9:10]
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By his own admission he played within himself due to injury (or fear of) for pretty much most of his career. |  |
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:20 - May 19 with 4727 views | homer_123 |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:19 - May 19 by StokieBlue |
He was a good player and had a great career with some vital goals (as well as some silly mistakes).
However he can't be considered an all-time great when he was the 4th best midfielder in a midfield 4 at Man Utd.
Giggs - Keane - Scholes - Beckham
Quite some midfield.
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His career vs ability outdoes all of those though. | |
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:20 - May 19 with 4730 views | GlasgowBlue |
Completely rescued Real Madrid’s faltering season when Capello brought him back into the team and they went on to win the league.
That says a lot about how good Beckham was. |  |
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:21 - May 19 with 4725 views | JakeITFC |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:19 - May 19 by gtsb1966 |
When people mention great players I'm always puzzled why Paul Scholes never gets a mention. He was a brilliant footballer. |
Since he has retired he has gained a sort of mythical status as a player.
He was good, but he was never in the conversation as the world's best during his career (whereas Lampard and Gerrard, for example, often were). | | | |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:22 - May 19 with 4707 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:16 - May 19 by ChiefXL |
Beckham wasn't in the same category as Maradona, Pele, Ronaldo(s) or Messi.
But then neither was Zindane.
Ronaldhino on the other hand... |
Neither was Zidane?!! Zidane absolutely was! the finest central midfielder to ever play the game. Ronaldinho was class as well but Zidane would sit above Ronaldinho although hard to compare their roles really. Zidane would be in the debate for best player to ever play the game. He ultimately probably wouldn't win but he's in the conversation. | |
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:23 - May 19 with 4698 views | homer_123 |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:21 - May 19 by JakeITFC |
Since he has retired he has gained a sort of mythical status as a player.
He was good, but he was never in the conversation as the world's best during his career (whereas Lampard and Gerrard, for example, often were). |
Agreed but as I've said to SB below - if you look at Becks career versus his ability he did exceptionally well. | |
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:24 - May 19 with 4696 views | StokieBlue |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:20 - May 19 by homer_123 |
His career vs ability outdoes all of those though. |
What difference does that make? It certainly doesn't make one an all-time great.
He did amazingly well with what he had but he was still a "worse" player than those 3.
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:24 - May 19 with 4694 views | JakeITFC |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:23 - May 19 by homer_123 |
Agreed but as I've said to SB below - if you look at Becks career versus his ability he did exceptionally well. |
Sorry, I was talking about Scholes. | | | |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:24 - May 19 with 4694 views | linhdi |
He was very, very good, but not one of the greats. I saw him at his very best a few times, incl that amazing Greece game, when he was like the good kid in the playground.
But he was too slow to be a great winger, had no left foot, couldn't tackle, couldn't head a ball, and was petulant.
And played for England for years after he was too far past his best, it seemed mostly because his personality sold tickets at Wembley. He was subbed off so many times - was it half of his appearances? It all became a bit of a circus.
Good player though! | | | |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:24 - May 19 with 4689 views | StokieBlue |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:19 - May 19 by gtsb1966 |
When people mention great players I'm always puzzled why Paul Scholes never gets a mention. He was a brilliant footballer. |
He gets mentioned all the time.
He's valued more outside of England.
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:24 - May 19 with 4691 views | Pendejo |
One of the best English players I'd say.
Where he lacked ability compared to the greats he made up in dedication, professionalism (most of the time), effort and application.
Have up on Team England when he thought they'd given up on him and still managed a few more games.
Had taken what he's got and maximised it. I have a huge respect for him overall. |  |
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:24 - May 19 with 4686 views | vapour_trail |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:07 - May 19 by Swailsey |
I was thinking this about Owen the other day. He isn't looked back on fondly in any real sense, but he still played for some of the biggest clubs in the world, was largely successful and won the bd'o, yet there's definitely a feeling of untapped potential.
I wonder if it's just because they played for our national team, who in themselves haven't been that successful since 1990. We seem to do it a lot with players - Beckham, Kane, Owen, Rooney, Lampard. I don't think we're a fair judge of player, because we have in-house rivalries etc. [Post edited 19 May 2020 9:10]
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As with Owen, Beckham had a period of a few years when he was one of the best players in the world.
Not a great of the game though. |  |
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:26 - May 19 with 4677 views | StokieBlue |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:21 - May 19 by JakeITFC |
Since he has retired he has gained a sort of mythical status as a player.
He was good, but he was never in the conversation as the world's best during his career (whereas Lampard and Gerrard, for example, often were). |
This really isn't true.
Outside of England where they could see past the Lampard/Gerrard argument I think most players thought he should be in the England side ahead of both of them.
A quote from Xavi:
"In the last 15 to 20 years the best central midfielder that I have seen - the most complete - is Scholes," Xavi said. "I have spoken with Xabi Alonso about this many times. Scholes is a spectacular player who has everything.
"He can play the final pass, he can score, he is strong, he never gets knocked off the ball and he doesn't give possession away. If he had been Spanish, then maybe he would have been valued more."
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:26 - May 19 with 4671 views | homer_123 |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:24 - May 19 by StokieBlue |
What difference does that make? It certainly doesn't make one an all-time great.
He did amazingly well with what he had but he was still a "worse" player than those 3.
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Merely an observation.
Many more talented players never achieved what Beckham did. I find it interesting that this is not factored in when consider the worlds best player, that's all. | |
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:28 - May 19 with 4664 views | Swansea_Blue |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:19 - May 19 by gtsb1966 |
When people mention great players I'm always puzzled why Paul Scholes never gets a mention. He was a brilliant footballer. |
Yes, truly superb. Although he does get a lot of mentions.
As for Beckham, yes I think he was one of the best for England at least. Not a world great in the same sense as Pele or Maradona, but one of England's greatest players nonetheless. [Post edited 19 May 2020 9:30]
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| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:29 - May 19 with 4655 views | JakeITFC |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:26 - May 19 by StokieBlue |
This really isn't true.
Outside of England where they could see past the Lampard/Gerrard argument I think most players thought he should be in the England side ahead of both of them.
A quote from Xavi:
"In the last 15 to 20 years the best central midfielder that I have seen - the most complete - is Scholes," Xavi said. "I have spoken with Xabi Alonso about this many times. Scholes is a spectacular player who has everything.
"He can play the final pass, he can score, he is strong, he never gets knocked off the ball and he doesn't give possession away. If he had been Spanish, then maybe he would have been valued more."
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Weird that he didn't receive a single vote for the ballon d'Or during his career. | | | |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:33 - May 19 with 4644 views | davblue |
| My wife just asked if Beckham was one of the best on 09:24 - May 19 by Pendejo |
One of the best English players I'd say.
Where he lacked ability compared to the greats he made up in dedication, professionalism (most of the time), effort and application.
Have up on Team England when he thought they'd given up on him and still managed a few more games.
Had taken what he's got and maximised it. I have a huge respect for him overall. |
On the pitch i liked him but off the pitch i think it's all an act that was geared certainly in the last years towards getting him a Knighthood which i find a bit unsavoury almost like him and his advisers were doing it via a checklist.
When it should be for doing something outstanding or a contribution over a number of years to something very worthwhile. |  | | |
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