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League One cap proposals 10:18 - May 20 with 4361 viewsmonty_radio

According to Telegraph, and as from 2021:

1) Total squad salary bill £2.5m

2) 20 senior players only in squad (age 21+)

3) Of whom 8 are home-grown

You'd think that last requirement would require 2/3 seasons to implement, and also ensure a gradual, but massive drop in standards
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League One cap proposals on 11:03 - May 20 with 2528 viewsPendejo

Disagree on a drop in standards.

Less likely to stockpile average overpaid players, easier gateway for breathru from youths.

Remember Hanson proclaiming "you'll never win anything with kids"?

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League One cap proposals on 11:06 - May 20 with 2517 viewsPinewoodblue

A problem with enforcement for relegated clubs who have contracts to honour.

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League One cap proposals on 11:10 - May 20 with 2498 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

League One cap proposals on 11:06 - May 20 by Pinewoodblue

A problem with enforcement for relegated clubs who have contracts to honour.


I guess that can be phased like it is currently with FFP.

Alternatively, players and clubs will need to have the appropriate clauses written in.

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League One cap proposals on 11:12 - May 20 with 2489 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Massive drop in standards is very questionable.

Currently we would have;

Downes
Lankester
Woolfenden
Dozzell
Dobra
El Miz
Bishop
Nydam

...and thats just the decent ones.

I'd be all for those measures that have been suggested.

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League One cap proposals on 11:13 - May 20 with 2484 viewsPendejo

League One cap proposals on 11:06 - May 20 by Pinewoodblue

A problem with enforcement for relegated clubs who have contracts to honour.


Set a date in the future by which time all contracts include a relegation clause

Where there's a will there's a way

I just don't think there's a will... Despite everything I think the football juggernaut is still pedal to the metal heading towards the cliff edge, and tbh the sooner the better.

AFC Wimbledon are an exceptional example of what can be achieved from scratch, maybe it's time for a reboot?

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League One cap proposals on 11:18 - May 20 with 2456 viewstractorboy1978

League One cap proposals on 11:13 - May 20 by Pendejo

Set a date in the future by which time all contracts include a relegation clause

Where there's a will there's a way

I just don't think there's a will... Despite everything I think the football juggernaut is still pedal to the metal heading towards the cliff edge, and tbh the sooner the better.

AFC Wimbledon are an exceptional example of what can be achieved from scratch, maybe it's time for a reboot?


If the Championship doesn't follow suit with similar measures all we would see is an effective break off between the Prem/Championship and L1/L2. Which goes back to the tweet SomethingBlue put up yesterday...

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League One cap proposals on 11:19 - May 20 with 2445 viewsStokieBlue

League One cap proposals on 11:12 - May 20 by Marshalls_Mullet

Massive drop in standards is very questionable.

Currently we would have;

Downes
Lankester
Woolfenden
Dozzell
Dobra
El Miz
Bishop
Nydam

...and thats just the decent ones.

I'd be all for those measures that have been suggested.


Might be hard to keep players like those though with a maximum salary per player of 125k assuming you only have 20 players (likely be more with youths which brings that down).

Downes could earn that in a couple of months sitting in a PL reserve team.

Something does need to be done about wages though but unless it's coordinated across the entire pyramid it's hard to see how it's going to work.

SB

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League One cap proposals on 11:22 - May 20 with 2417 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

League One cap proposals on 11:19 - May 20 by StokieBlue

Might be hard to keep players like those though with a maximum salary per player of 125k assuming you only have 20 players (likely be more with youths which brings that down).

Downes could earn that in a couple of months sitting in a PL reserve team.

Something does need to be done about wages though but unless it's coordinated across the entire pyramid it's hard to see how it's going to work.

SB


We wont keep Downes for long anyway, PL and Champ will always offer higher wages. These days PL clubs are nicking our players before they make the first team if they are good enough anyway.

Also, its not a salary cap of £125k. Downes could be paid £5k per week.

£2.5m is probably idealistic, but I think a cap is required.

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League One cap proposals on 11:22 - May 20 with 2417 viewsJakeITFC

That's one way to come up with a Premier League 2 I guess.
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League One cap proposals on 11:23 - May 20 with 2413 viewsRadlett_blue

The ideas are sound, but as it seems near impossible to get the clubs to agree what to do about finishing/deciding this season, I expect it will be disputed & end up being watered down considerably. Football could really benefit from being run by an independent "commissioner" as happens in some US sports, but it's easier to do that with the US system of one, closed shop league with no relegation.

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League One cap proposals on 11:24 - May 20 with 2395 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

League One cap proposals on 11:23 - May 20 by Radlett_blue

The ideas are sound, but as it seems near impossible to get the clubs to agree what to do about finishing/deciding this season, I expect it will be disputed & end up being watered down considerably. Football could really benefit from being run by an independent "commissioner" as happens in some US sports, but it's easier to do that with the US system of one, closed shop league with no relegation.


Its mad isnt it.

Do clubs want to agree something that sounds sensible, or do they want to continue to lose £5m - £50m per year on a dream of getting into the Prem.

They would rather lose tens of millions chasing a dream.

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League One cap proposals on 11:27 - May 20 with 2374 viewsmonty_radio

League One cap proposals on 11:12 - May 20 by Marshalls_Mullet

Massive drop in standards is very questionable.

Currently we would have;

Downes
Lankester
Woolfenden
Dozzell
Dobra
El Miz
Bishop
Nydam

...and thats just the decent ones.

I'd be all for those measures that have been suggested.


I didn't mention us though. Doubt whether too many L1 clubs could replace their first-teamers with substantial numbers of home-grown players and not notice the difference.
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League One cap proposals on 11:27 - May 20 with 2372 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

League One cap proposals on 11:22 - May 20 by JakeITFC

That's one way to come up with a Premier League 2 I guess.


Genuinely not sure what Premier League 2 is?

To be fair, I couldnt care less if we never get in the Prem again. We have no claim to consider it our rightful place.

I would however like us to be competitive in the Championship.... which in the current football model is a million miles off.

Football does need to be reset, but there is no sign of that happening.

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League One cap proposals on 11:28 - May 20 with 2369 viewsJakeITFC

League One cap proposals on 11:24 - May 20 by Marshalls_Mullet

Its mad isnt it.

Do clubs want to agree something that sounds sensible, or do they want to continue to lose £5m - £50m per year on a dream of getting into the Prem.

They would rather lose tens of millions chasing a dream.


There was a good article on the Athletic about the fall of Sunderland yesterday (lots of parallels with Ipswich), but one bit that stood out to me was a line that after another one of their miraculous stays from relegation someone said to the owner that if he just put another £30m or so in that they'd really have a chance next season.

Every year they were just trying to build something and then ripping it down and starting again, with the billionaire at the other end bailing them out. This must be true of about 20+ clubs in the top two divisions now.
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League One cap proposals on 11:30 - May 20 with 2362 viewsStokieBlue

League One cap proposals on 11:22 - May 20 by Marshalls_Mullet

We wont keep Downes for long anyway, PL and Champ will always offer higher wages. These days PL clubs are nicking our players before they make the first team if they are good enough anyway.

Also, its not a salary cap of £125k. Downes could be paid £5k per week.

£2.5m is probably idealistic, but I think a cap is required.


Of course, I just allocated it equally amongst 20 senior professionals.

However if you pay Downes 5k per week you need to pay 2 other players 1.25k per week. Obviously it's all rough but I still not going to be able to keep hold of many players.

Do agree that something needs to be done but that would involve the players being realistic.

SB

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League One cap proposals on 11:32 - May 20 with 2343 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

League One cap proposals on 11:30 - May 20 by StokieBlue

Of course, I just allocated it equally amongst 20 senior professionals.

However if you pay Downes 5k per week you need to pay 2 other players 1.25k per week. Obviously it's all rough but I still not going to be able to keep hold of many players.

Do agree that something needs to be done but that would involve the players being realistic.

SB


Agreed, I think the budget would probably need to be closer to £3.5m.

Realistically though, wages ranging from £1.25k per week (£65kpa) to £5k per week (£250k pa) should be enough in League 1. That is commensurate with the standard of football, and the income generated.

The problem is that the owners are addicted to the crystal meth that is the Premier League.

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League One cap proposals on 11:34 - May 20 with 2327 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

League One cap proposals on 11:27 - May 20 by monty_radio

I didn't mention us though. Doubt whether too many L1 clubs could replace their first-teamers with substantial numbers of home-grown players and not notice the difference.
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It would be interesting to review.

I think they probably could (and probably do) across their whole squad.

Its a necessity at this level.

Not all home grown players will be as good as ours, but they will contribute to the squad.
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League One cap proposals on 11:35 - May 20 with 2312 viewsMullet

Sounds ideal for Prem U23 or B teams to enter doesn't it?

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League One cap proposals on 11:36 - May 20 with 2307 viewspointofblue

League One cap proposals on 11:30 - May 20 by StokieBlue

Of course, I just allocated it equally amongst 20 senior professionals.

However if you pay Downes 5k per week you need to pay 2 other players 1.25k per week. Obviously it's all rough but I still not going to be able to keep hold of many players.

Do agree that something needs to be done but that would involve the players being realistic.

SB


And, as you say, the Premier League and the Championship following suit - otherwise the divide between the top two divisions and the rest will simply continue to grow. Those who have fell behind at the wrong time will never have the chance to be anything but a yo-yo team between tiers two and three.

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League One cap proposals on 11:37 - May 20 with 2305 viewstractorboy1978

League One cap proposals on 11:28 - May 20 by JakeITFC

There was a good article on the Athletic about the fall of Sunderland yesterday (lots of parallels with Ipswich), but one bit that stood out to me was a line that after another one of their miraculous stays from relegation someone said to the owner that if he just put another £30m or so in that they'd really have a chance next season.

Every year they were just trying to build something and then ripping it down and starting again, with the billionaire at the other end bailing them out. This must be true of about 20+ clubs in the top two divisions now.


That came through on the documentary too. Even off the pitch, they had an inefficient/don't really care culture because at the end of the month they just sent the bill to the owner for him to pay it without much question/scrutiny.

I often wonder when the supply of multi-millionaires/billionaires willing to throw daft money at football clubs with no return is going to come to an end. The Championship seems to become more like a casino with every passing year.
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League One cap proposals on 11:39 - May 20 with 2288 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

League One cap proposals on 11:36 - May 20 by pointofblue

And, as you say, the Premier League and the Championship following suit - otherwise the divide between the top two divisions and the rest will simply continue to grow. Those who have fell behind at the wrong time will never have the chance to be anything but a yo-yo team between tiers two and three.


Realistically, teams will need to decide what their viable level is.

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League One cap proposals on 11:40 - May 20 with 2284 viewstractorboy1978

League One cap proposals on 11:39 - May 20 by Marshalls_Mullet

Realistically, teams will need to decide what their viable level is.


Realistically, that is us.
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League One cap proposals on 11:41 - May 20 with 2279 viewsRadlett_blue

League One cap proposals on 11:27 - May 20 by Marshalls_Mullet

Genuinely not sure what Premier League 2 is?

To be fair, I couldnt care less if we never get in the Prem again. We have no claim to consider it our rightful place.

I would however like us to be competitive in the Championship.... which in the current football model is a million miles off.

Football does need to be reset, but there is no sign of that happening.


I don't see the sense in "Premier League 2" as all the media & casual fan interest will remain focused on the giants at the top of the PL. Why would they want to filter more money down to the 2nd tier? There are always plenty of clubs throwing money at assembling a squad with the objective of promotion. A European League or a closed shop PL is a more likely eventual outcome.

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League One cap proposals on 11:43 - May 20 with 2267 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

League One cap proposals on 11:40 - May 20 by tractorboy1978

Realistically, that is us.


Indeed.

With the right infrastructure we should be in the Championship really. But any Premier League ambitions are ridiculous.

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League One cap proposals on 11:48 - May 20 with 2240 viewsRadlett_blue

League One cap proposals on 11:43 - May 20 by Marshalls_Mullet

Indeed.

With the right infrastructure we should be in the Championship really. But any Premier League ambitions are ridiculous.


There's always an exception, unfortunately, which keeps people chasing the dream e.g Sheffield United going up without a huge wage bill, while Leicester fluking the PL title will also keep the supporters of the large number of PL also-rans continuing to dream.

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