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School return 10:24 - May 21 with 2996 viewsPablokuqi

I know we have discussed this a lot but I was wondering how many of you have received your school's back to school plan.

My child's school has said that R, 1 and 6 will return on the 1st of June and attend 3 days over a 10 day cycle. Then after 3 weeks the other classes will return for the final 4 weeks remaining on a 3 day over 10 day cycle. So as he is in the second category he will attend for 6 days before the end of the holidays. Pointless. The thing the government have not grasped is that the each school will do this differently and rather than helping people get back to work it will have the opposite impact. Also that lots of teachers have children. So they are going back full time but their children can't as many aren't providing before and after school care. Another school I have heard are 2 days per week. Another school stopping at 1.30 and closed Wed, another who are half day Wed. I am sure there will be lots of variations. We haven't heard our other child's return to school plan yet.

I would be interested in hearing other examples.
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School return on 11:22 - May 21 by Fixed_It

With respect I think I know more about it than you do. One child per desk - which only they can sit on.. Crosses on desks with tape to show where not to sit. Only allowed to use their own equipment. No mixing with other groups. Staggered break times. Seperate entrances and exits. Markers on the floor to show where to sit.
Believe me - this is also breaking teachers' hearts too - as it isn't the way school is meant to be.


I fully agree with you. My daughter wants to go back to see her friends, but she wont see all her friends. Year 1 will be split into two groups with a maximum of 10 pupils in each. They will have different start and finish times as well as different break and lunchtimes, so they wont see the other kids in their year or any of the other years.

They have their own tables and own resources as to not have to get up and find them/share them. They have to have permission to use the toilet so as to not go when someone else does.

This is another reason I don’t want her to go back just yet, however, I don’t think this is going to change anytime soon so it will probably be the new norm and something everyone has to get used to. But for now, I am happy home schooling her as I am on furlough and an English and maths tutor anyway :-)
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School return on 11:49 - May 21 with 938 viewsPablokuqi

School return on 11:02 - May 21 by Fixed_It

Many kids - especially the younger ones - will be traumatised by the experience. This won't be school as they know it. Social distancing is not normal.
I know of a Deputy Head who was all set to send his Year 1 daughter back to school. She was looking forward to it. The school sent pictures of what the classrooms would look like so that parents and children could see what arrangements had been put in place. His daughter burst into tears, and they are now reconsidering.
I fully suspect that numbers attending will drop dramatically when the kids realise that school is not as they remember it. A lot of effort for very little gain. And to target Year 1 and Reception is just bizarre!
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I know of a number of schools in Suffolk who have drawn out squares on their playground or playing field.
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School return on 11:51 - May 21 with 935 viewsPablokuqi

School return on 11:15 - May 21 by Marshalls_Mullet

I dont think it will be a traumatic experience.

It wont be like the photos of that school in France. Apparently we will be using a model more like that used in Denmark.

There wont be strict social distancing as such, but they will be restricted to small groups / classes.


I wouldn't be so sure of this certainly the plans I have seen social distancing is being attempted.
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School return on 11:52 - May 21 with 934 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

School return on 11:48 - May 21 by pennyfathersleg

I fully agree with you. My daughter wants to go back to see her friends, but she wont see all her friends. Year 1 will be split into two groups with a maximum of 10 pupils in each. They will have different start and finish times as well as different break and lunchtimes, so they wont see the other kids in their year or any of the other years.

They have their own tables and own resources as to not have to get up and find them/share them. They have to have permission to use the toilet so as to not go when someone else does.

This is another reason I don’t want her to go back just yet, however, I don’t think this is going to change anytime soon so it will probably be the new norm and something everyone has to get used to. But for now, I am happy home schooling her as I am on furlough and an English and maths tutor anyway :-)


Have you asked if your daughter would like to go back if she only mixes with her Yr1 class mates?

That might well mean socialising with a couple of her best friends.

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School return on 11:53 - May 21 with 926 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

School return on 11:51 - May 21 by Pablokuqi

I wouldn't be so sure of this certainly the plans I have seen social distancing is being attempted.


Lets see how it pans out.

I personally dont think it will be traumatic, my main concern is whether its too soon.

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School return on 11:55 - May 21 with 931 viewshomer_123

There is no right or wrong answer here.

I respect any parent who decides to not send their children back, utterly understandable.

I also respect any who chooses to send theirs in (one of mine is desperate to go back and likely will) as well.

My only observation is this. Come September when there won't (in likelihood) be a choice to send back (i.e. they will have to). It will be no different - social distancing will still be in place, rotas and or going in a few days a week will also be in place - it will be like this for two reasons.

1. No vaccine and nothing has changed in that regard
2. Schools simply don't have the physical space needed to do this without measures that see smaller classes, split rotas etc etc

So, purely from a personal perspective, it really makes very little difference if they go back now or in September - the situation will be the same. So, maybe going back now for some gets them used to the new way of schooling.

As I say, there is no right or wrong here - any choice is entirely valid.

EDIT: I would also offer a different take on this as well. If the Govs intention in getting kids back to school lies in enabling more people to get back to work - then the approach taken is utterly bizarre.
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School return on 11:57 - May 21 with 917 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

School return on 11:55 - May 21 by homer_123

There is no right or wrong answer here.

I respect any parent who decides to not send their children back, utterly understandable.

I also respect any who chooses to send theirs in (one of mine is desperate to go back and likely will) as well.

My only observation is this. Come September when there won't (in likelihood) be a choice to send back (i.e. they will have to). It will be no different - social distancing will still be in place, rotas and or going in a few days a week will also be in place - it will be like this for two reasons.

1. No vaccine and nothing has changed in that regard
2. Schools simply don't have the physical space needed to do this without measures that see smaller classes, split rotas etc etc

So, purely from a personal perspective, it really makes very little difference if they go back now or in September - the situation will be the same. So, maybe going back now for some gets them used to the new way of schooling.

As I say, there is no right or wrong here - any choice is entirely valid.

EDIT: I would also offer a different take on this as well. If the Govs intention in getting kids back to school lies in enabling more people to get back to work - then the approach taken is utterly bizarre.
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Good post.

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School return on 12:01 - May 21 with 906 viewsgiant_stow

School return on 11:48 - May 21 by Mullet

I don't think you've done anything wrong as parents, certainly not where you can point to it and say it's this flaw which has caused this behaviour. This is a totally abnormal situation where adults aren't coping. To be at a developmental stage where all the normal routines and stimulus is taken away is going to cause problems.

There have been days where our 2 year old has really struggled and me too as a result. Let alone the pressures of work and other factors.

Being able to top cope with a once in a 100 year event like this isn't a test of parenting but circumstances.

We won't be "going back to school" we'll be going back to the building and operating in a totally alien way, at best. That won't be a fix, it'll be something else in the mix is all. It might go well or it might go worse.


Thats very kind of Mullet - appreciated and all the best with your nipper.

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School return on 12:05 - May 21 with 891 viewsDarth_Koont

School return on 11:55 - May 21 by homer_123

There is no right or wrong answer here.

I respect any parent who decides to not send their children back, utterly understandable.

I also respect any who chooses to send theirs in (one of mine is desperate to go back and likely will) as well.

My only observation is this. Come September when there won't (in likelihood) be a choice to send back (i.e. they will have to). It will be no different - social distancing will still be in place, rotas and or going in a few days a week will also be in place - it will be like this for two reasons.

1. No vaccine and nothing has changed in that regard
2. Schools simply don't have the physical space needed to do this without measures that see smaller classes, split rotas etc etc

So, purely from a personal perspective, it really makes very little difference if they go back now or in September - the situation will be the same. So, maybe going back now for some gets them used to the new way of schooling.

As I say, there is no right or wrong here - any choice is entirely valid.

EDIT: I would also offer a different take on this as well. If the Govs intention in getting kids back to school lies in enabling more people to get back to work - then the approach taken is utterly bizarre.
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Good point re: getting used to September. In comparison this would be a relatively gentle and brief introduction.

Although I suspect social distancing for children in schools will be largely ignored by then if the weight of evidence continues to grow re: low health risk to children and limited involvement in the spread of infection to adults.

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School return on 12:10 - May 21 with 893 viewsSharkey

Here in Sweden the schools for those up to 16 never closed. I have friends who are teachers and their main gripe is with parents who have kept children home.

But there is a huge difference in school culture, as even in normal times kids in Scandinavia spend a lot of time outdoors. All sorts of classes move to the parks as soon as the sun comes out, and in August when the schools go back the children spend as much time outdoors as in. This applies from kindergarten and infant school all the way up to 19. If you have ever spend any time in a Scandinavian town you will regularly see groups of kids walking somewhere with their teachers. I doubt there's any chance of UK schools adopting this approach, and I guess it's not a culture you can instill in kids easily, but it's a pity, - especially in a place like Ipswich which is blessed with great parks.
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School return on 12:14 - May 21 with 887 viewsFixed_It

School return on 11:37 - May 21 by Marshalls_Mullet

To be honest, the measures set out above dont sound too traumatic.

Yes, not ideal, but kids adapt, and they are used to going to school to follow rules and to sit where they are told.

I think we should have more faith in our kids' ability to adapt.


Children are social creatures and at such a young age having to socially distance in a regimented way is not natural. Yes - they can and do adapt - but at what cost?
I acknowledge that Lockdown will also have had an affect. But at least at home they are in familiar surroundings, with parents who won't be stressed about social distancing.

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School return on 12:34 - May 21 with 866 viewssparks

School return on 11:55 - May 21 by homer_123

There is no right or wrong answer here.

I respect any parent who decides to not send their children back, utterly understandable.

I also respect any who chooses to send theirs in (one of mine is desperate to go back and likely will) as well.

My only observation is this. Come September when there won't (in likelihood) be a choice to send back (i.e. they will have to). It will be no different - social distancing will still be in place, rotas and or going in a few days a week will also be in place - it will be like this for two reasons.

1. No vaccine and nothing has changed in that regard
2. Schools simply don't have the physical space needed to do this without measures that see smaller classes, split rotas etc etc

So, purely from a personal perspective, it really makes very little difference if they go back now or in September - the situation will be the same. So, maybe going back now for some gets them used to the new way of schooling.

As I say, there is no right or wrong here - any choice is entirely valid.

EDIT: I would also offer a different take on this as well. If the Govs intention in getting kids back to school lies in enabling more people to get back to work - then the approach taken is utterly bizarre.
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School return on 12:42 - May 21 with 859 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

School return on 12:14 - May 21 by Fixed_It

Children are social creatures and at such a young age having to socially distance in a regimented way is not natural. Yes - they can and do adapt - but at what cost?
I acknowledge that Lockdown will also have had an affect. But at least at home they are in familiar surroundings, with parents who won't be stressed about social distancing.


..but the alternative is not socialising at all.

Theres no ideal answer. I think we are going to have to try it and see what happens.

If it does prove to be causing trauma in individual cases, those children can be taken out of the situation.

As Homer said above, theres no correct answer, and its very much down to individual choice of parents and their children.

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School return on 12:49 - May 21 with 854 viewsBloomBlue

School return on 11:02 - May 21 by Fixed_It

Many kids - especially the younger ones - will be traumatised by the experience. This won't be school as they know it. Social distancing is not normal.
I know of a Deputy Head who was all set to send his Year 1 daughter back to school. She was looking forward to it. The school sent pictures of what the classrooms would look like so that parents and children could see what arrangements had been put in place. His daughter burst into tears, and they are now reconsidering.
I fully suspect that numbers attending will drop dramatically when the kids realise that school is not as they remember it. A lot of effort for very little gain. And to target Year 1 and Reception is just bizarre!
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I do sort of get your argument about traumatised, but how long do you leave it for? A vaccine could be a year away if not longer, if you leave it until Sept there will still be a need to social distance in schools, even with track and trace. You cannot keep kids out of school for over a year, as the WHO said we will have to learn to live with it and accept the risks.
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School return on 12:52 - May 21 with 848 viewssparks

School return on 12:49 - May 21 by BloomBlue

I do sort of get your argument about traumatised, but how long do you leave it for? A vaccine could be a year away if not longer, if you leave it until Sept there will still be a need to social distance in schools, even with track and trace. You cannot keep kids out of school for over a year, as the WHO said we will have to learn to live with it and accept the risks.


Most kids are very adaptable. Not convinced they will be traumatised...

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School return on 13:17 - May 21 with 824 viewsCBBlue

Our school's plan is for the classes to be split so no more than 15 in a 'bubble', they are going to attempt social distancing but each bubble will not come in contact with any other adults/children outside that bubble. The playground and field are sectioned so each bubble gets a designated area and the breaks/lunches will be staggered. Lunches will be eaten at the classroom table. Permission to go to the toilet.

R, Y1 & Y6 will be in fulltime and we've been told that as all teachers will be busy teaching their 'new' groups they will no longer be able to set distance learning work for their normal pupils (Y2, 3, 4 & 5) who are not in school.

So basically the schools are reopening for some resulting in 120 kids in our school getting no more education this term - so the government's arguement that they are reopening so kids don't miss more education is bumpkin is my child will be missing more than if they didn't reopen.

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School return on 13:19 - May 21 with 821 viewssparks

School return on 13:17 - May 21 by CBBlue

Our school's plan is for the classes to be split so no more than 15 in a 'bubble', they are going to attempt social distancing but each bubble will not come in contact with any other adults/children outside that bubble. The playground and field are sectioned so each bubble gets a designated area and the breaks/lunches will be staggered. Lunches will be eaten at the classroom table. Permission to go to the toilet.

R, Y1 & Y6 will be in fulltime and we've been told that as all teachers will be busy teaching their 'new' groups they will no longer be able to set distance learning work for their normal pupils (Y2, 3, 4 & 5) who are not in school.

So basically the schools are reopening for some resulting in 120 kids in our school getting no more education this term - so the government's arguement that they are reopening so kids don't miss more education is bumpkin is my child will be missing more than if they didn't reopen.


Well this seems like a valid point. If the same number of teachers are covering 1/3 of the children, then presumably the 2/3 still at home will no longer get the support or distance learning they have been getting?

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School return on 13:22 - May 21 with 817 viewsSWGF

School return on 13:19 - May 21 by sparks

Well this seems like a valid point. If the same number of teachers are covering 1/3 of the children, then presumably the 2/3 still at home will no longer get the support or distance learning they have been getting?


My little girl (Yr5) is getting almost zero interaction with/support from her teacher as it is. Think there have been 3x 30min Zoom meetings since lock-down which she absolutely loved. Have highlighted this to the school/teacher but have had nothing back.
Other than that, it's a list of work put on the school website and upto the kids/parents to get it done and upload it if you want.

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School return on 13:25 - May 21 with 811 viewssparks

School return on 13:22 - May 21 by SWGF

My little girl (Yr5) is getting almost zero interaction with/support from her teacher as it is. Think there have been 3x 30min Zoom meetings since lock-down which she absolutely loved. Have highlighted this to the school/teacher but have had nothing back.
Other than that, it's a list of work put on the school website and upto the kids/parents to get it done and upload it if you want.


Ours just get stuff on the school website to do so far as I can tell.

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School return on 13:32 - May 21 with 803 viewsPablokuqi

School return on 13:25 - May 21 by sparks

Ours just get stuff on the school website to do so far as I can tell.


I think there has been a mixed bag around home learning. County council have started to check up so if you have noticed a recent change it will be related to that. I know home learning has been provided when teachers have also been in on rota and would expect that to continue for those at home when those teachers return full time. I appreciate some schools will go down the we can't provide the same level of home learning as teachers are in now in with children. Therefore it would revert to links on a website. But as some of you have mentioned this is the level many are only providing now.
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School return on 13:38 - May 21 with 796 viewsElderGrizzly

School return on 10:27 - May 21 by StokieBlue

I think a lot of parents are going to disregard any openings and keep their kids off until the after the summer holidays.

For instance, for someone in year 5, what is the real value in going back for a 6 days of schooling before having another 7 weeks off for summer?

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Nursery sent us a reopening plan last week, but we have simply said we aren’t sending her back yet.

Mrs G finished chemo a little while ago, so we aren’t risking bringing anything back into the house right now.

Our view from all we see in Government briefings/papers is it simply isn’t safe for June 1st where there is any escalated risk at home
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School return on 13:46 - May 21 with 789 viewsMullet

School return on 13:22 - May 21 by SWGF

My little girl (Yr5) is getting almost zero interaction with/support from her teacher as it is. Think there have been 3x 30min Zoom meetings since lock-down which she absolutely loved. Have highlighted this to the school/teacher but have had nothing back.
Other than that, it's a list of work put on the school website and upto the kids/parents to get it done and upload it if you want.


Unfortunately Zoom meetings are a very tricky area. There is a massive child protection risk, that opens up both staff and children.

Zoom especially can and has been hacked by various people, you may have seen the viral posts about a fitness class which was inundated with old men "enjoying themselves" because they'd been given the code, to highlight one potential pitfall.

Likewise there are those who would not want to let children into their home for want of a better phrase, which is maybe a reasonable objection for them.

The chances of parents being willing and able to sit in on them, and staff being expected to do them doesn't mean they are practical unfortunately. It's a massive catch 22, as the work rate and quality varies massively as this situation unfolds and the weather dictates a lot of it.

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School return on 13:48 - May 21 with 786 viewsIllinoisblue

School return on 13:22 - May 21 by SWGF

My little girl (Yr5) is getting almost zero interaction with/support from her teacher as it is. Think there have been 3x 30min Zoom meetings since lock-down which she absolutely loved. Have highlighted this to the school/teacher but have had nothing back.
Other than that, it's a list of work put on the school website and upto the kids/parents to get it done and upload it if you want.


My 10-year-old has zoom meets with his class and teacher tues/weds/thurs and the headmaster posts a daily video reminding kids to work hard, finish strong and generally keeping them engaged. Work assignments are delivered via Seesaw app and teachers give feedback same day.

It’s been surprisingly well run. But... this needs to end soon. It’s not normal.

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School return on 13:54 - May 21 with 774 viewssparks

School return on 13:48 - May 21 by Illinoisblue

My 10-year-old has zoom meets with his class and teacher tues/weds/thurs and the headmaster posts a daily video reminding kids to work hard, finish strong and generally keeping them engaged. Work assignments are delivered via Seesaw app and teachers give feedback same day.

It’s been surprisingly well run. But... this needs to end soon. It’s not normal.


Sounds very good and sensible.

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School return on 14:07 - May 21 with 761 viewshomer_123

School return on 13:38 - May 21 by ElderGrizzly

Nursery sent us a reopening plan last week, but we have simply said we aren’t sending her back yet.

Mrs G finished chemo a little while ago, so we aren’t risking bringing anything back into the house right now.

Our view from all we see in Government briefings/papers is it simply isn’t safe for June 1st where there is any escalated risk at home


Hope Mrs G is doing well.

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