| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering 11:12 - May 25 with 2712 views | sparks |
Marked difference to this time last week.
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:15 - May 25 with 1920 views | GlasgowBlue |
The Cummings effect?
As somebody from SAGE has just said, he’s trashed the whole strategy and more people will die because if it.
Johnson’s support for him makes him complicit. |  |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:24 - May 25 with 1883 views | homer_123 |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:15 - May 25 by GlasgowBlue |
The Cummings effect?
As somebody from SAGE has just said, he’s trashed the whole strategy and more people will die because if it.
Johnson’s support for him makes him complicit. |
No, it really isn't.
People have stopped bothering for weeks. The Cummings situation will accelerate it, for sure.
Here in N Essex - the amount of days trippers over the last week is like we see in the summer. Bins overflowing, people streaming about the place, on the beach, little to no social distancing.
There was even an impromptu vintage car rally during the week - 20 or so cars, roofs down, people stopping watching, as they parked up.....like I say. That's not Cummings, for all his faults. |  |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:24 - May 25 with 1875 views | BlueBadger |
Nonononono, you've got it wrong, they're all Being Alert and Using Their Common Sense. |  |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:26 - May 25 with 1868 views | BlueBadger |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:24 - May 25 by homer_123 |
No, it really isn't.
People have stopped bothering for weeks. The Cummings situation will accelerate it, for sure.
Here in N Essex - the amount of days trippers over the last week is like we see in the summer. Bins overflowing, people streaming about the place, on the beach, little to no social distancing.
There was even an impromptu vintage car rally during the week - 20 or so cars, roofs down, people stopping watching, as they parked up.....like I say. That's not Cummings, for all his faults. |
It's been getting worse since the change in tone i messaging from 'stay home' to 'stay alert'.
It's an attempt at herd-immunity-by-backdoor and it it stinks. | |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:27 - May 25 with 1850 views | J2BLUE |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:26 - May 25 by BlueBadger |
It's been getting worse since the change in tone i messaging from 'stay home' to 'stay alert'.
It's an attempt at herd-immunity-by-backdoor and it it stinks. |
The official story is that the infection rate continues to fall. Is that not what you're seeing on the front line? |  |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:28 - May 25 with 1848 views | homer_123 |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:26 - May 25 by BlueBadger |
It's been getting worse since the change in tone i messaging from 'stay home' to 'stay alert'.
It's an attempt at herd-immunity-by-backdoor and it it stinks. |
Even before that Badge - i posted on here that I'd seen a sea change here in N Essex in the run up to that change in tone. [Post edited 25 May 2020 11:31]
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:31 - May 25 with 1818 views | WD19 |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:26 - May 25 by BlueBadger |
It's been getting worse since the change in tone i messaging from 'stay home' to 'stay alert'.
It's an attempt at herd-immunity-by-backdoor and it it stinks. |
It pre-dates any of that. Around these parts Good Friday was ‘peak lockdown’, it has been creeping every day since. The stuff you describe has just poured petrol on it along the way.
Ultimately many people do what they want to do and then look for any possible justification as an afterthought. |  | | |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:31 - May 25 with 1816 views | footers |
Don't contribute to the problem by staying home yourself and avoiding non-essential trips out. |  |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:31 - May 25 with 1813 views | giant_stow |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:28 - May 25 by homer_123 |
Even before that Badge - i posted on here that I'd seen a sea change here in N Essex in the run up to that change in tone. [Post edited 25 May 2020 11:31]
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Whats the time in weeks between in infection and deaths again? Is it 5 weeks roughly?
I wonder what the stats will look like then... |  |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:31 - May 25 with 1807 views | BlueBadger |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:27 - May 25 by J2BLUE |
The official story is that the infection rate continues to fall. Is that not what you're seeing on the front line? |
At the moment, yes. However, people are now being considerably less diligent than they were previously. another two weeks will give a clearer indication of trends, I reckon. | |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:33 - May 25 with 1790 views | BlueBadger |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:31 - May 25 by giant_stow |
Whats the time in weeks between in infection and deaths again? Is it 5 weeks roughly?
I wonder what the stats will look like then... |
2-4 weeks, generally from my observations. Don't have figures to hand.
As a by-the-by, this BBC article has just saved me a whole lot of writing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52760992?fbclid=IwAR2rWBCJ--cFd8plJWTcXN1AdFtdrP778As | |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:39 - May 25 with 1743 views | homer_123 |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:31 - May 25 by giant_stow |
Whats the time in weeks between in infection and deaths again? Is it 5 weeks roughly?
I wonder what the stats will look like then... |
A spike....just a guess. | |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:39 - May 25 with 1743 views | Swansea_Blue |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:24 - May 25 by BlueBadger |
Nonononono, you've got it wrong, they're all Being Alert and Using Their Common Sense. |
With a sprinkling of using their instinct as parents no doubt. |  |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:40 - May 25 with 1739 views | Darth_Koont |
Not surprising.
I've always thought going to a garden centre was more or less giving up. |  |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:40 - May 25 with 1742 views | homer_123 |
Indeed SB. | |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:41 - May 25 with 1737 views | homer_123 |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:40 - May 25 by Darth_Koont |
Not surprising.
I've always thought going to a garden centre was more or less giving up. |
In more than one way. | |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:47 - May 25 with 1660 views | Herbivore |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:39 - May 25 by homer_123 |
A spike....just a guess. |
The issue now will be that when we inevitably have a second spike, the government has lost all moral authority to reintroduce tighter lockdown measures. That will see a second spike significantly larger than the first and risks the possibility of the NHS getting overhwlemed. |  |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:51 - May 25 with 1642 views | homer_123 |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:47 - May 25 by Herbivore |
The issue now will be that when we inevitably have a second spike, the government has lost all moral authority to reintroduce tighter lockdown measures. That will see a second spike significantly larger than the first and risks the possibility of the NHS getting overhwlemed. |
A spike has been inevitable from the outset, in my opinion.
Given the approach currently taken by our esteemed Government, I suspect the second spike will be larger and longer than it would have been.
I also have little doubt that this will play on until a vaccine comes into play - in that we'll see moves from social distancing and restrictions to relax and back again.
That said, I agree, "...the government has lost all moral authority to reintroduce tighter lockdown measures." | |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:55 - May 25 with 1620 views | manchego |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:40 - May 25 by Darth_Koont |
Not surprising.
I've always thought going to a garden centre was more or less giving up. |
Hold your horses there fella.
There is nothing wrong with a well stocked, well staffed garden centre.
And I'll kill the man who says there is. |  | | |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 12:06 - May 25 with 1566 views | Darth_Koont |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:55 - May 25 by manchego |
Hold your horses there fella.
There is nothing wrong with a well stocked, well staffed garden centre.
And I'll kill the man who says there is. |
Haha, I'm just joking.
I don't have a problem with people who collect porcelain figurines either. Each to their own. | |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 12:08 - May 25 with 1560 views | BloomBlue |
It's been getting worse since the second week of lockdown, a huge percentage of people in this country were never going to accept a long lockdown and anyone who thought they would are living in a dream world. |  | | |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 12:21 - May 25 with 1503 views | Guthrum |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 12:08 - May 25 by BloomBlue |
It's been getting worse since the second week of lockdown, a huge percentage of people in this country were never going to accept a long lockdown and anyone who thought they would are living in a dream world. |
They might have done if the threat had been seriously emphasised, rather than waffly flubbering and bending to pressure.
Actually, I feel the UK has not done badly. The lockdown was pretty well observed, on the whole. It did mean we avoided a bigger spike which might have overwhelmed the health system. |  |
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| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 12:33 - May 25 with 1460 views | Ftnfwest |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 11:24 - May 25 by homer_123 |
No, it really isn't.
People have stopped bothering for weeks. The Cummings situation will accelerate it, for sure.
Here in N Essex - the amount of days trippers over the last week is like we see in the summer. Bins overflowing, people streaming about the place, on the beach, little to no social distancing.
There was even an impromptu vintage car rally during the week - 20 or so cars, roofs down, people stopping watching, as they parked up.....like I say. That's not Cummings, for all his faults. |
The Kinnock effect then? |  | | |
| back from the garden centre. people have stopped bothering on 12:35 - May 25 with 1445 views | LankHenners |
Like others seemingly my personal experience is that it's been slipping for a while.
Was in my local co-op the other day and was the only one wearing gloves (a few weeks ago pretty much everyone was wearing them) and the staff in the place were doing what they normally did pre-lockdown i.e. stand together in clumps blocking up aisles and checkouts having a chat and giving you a hard glare when you have the temerity to ask if you could possibly get past.
People have said 'you shouldn't need the government to hold your hand' in defence of the lack of clear messaging but evidently they do and the waffly language has seeped into the population where it's being taken very casually. |  |
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