| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 09:31 - May 26 with 5162 views | Steve_M |
Who could possibly have predicted that this might happen? Grossly irresponsible government. |  |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:25 - May 26 with 5094 views | Guthrum |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 09:31 - May 26 by Steve_M |
Who could possibly have predicted that this might happen? Grossly irresponsible government. |
Quite a lot of people were expressing disquiet at the time. Including some in the town of Cheltenham.
But, on the other hand, there was also an argument based on what was known at the time the go-ahead was given that it would be ok if precautions were taken. Don't forget, the following Saturday's football matches also came very close to taking place, only cancelled at the last minute. And the previous weekend's sporting fixtures went ahead uninterrupted, which they ought not to have done, in hindsight. [Post edited 26 May 2020 10:26]
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:29 - May 26 with 5070 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:25 - May 26 by Guthrum |
Quite a lot of people were expressing disquiet at the time. Including some in the town of Cheltenham.
But, on the other hand, there was also an argument based on what was known at the time the go-ahead was given that it would be ok if precautions were taken. Don't forget, the following Saturday's football matches also came very close to taking place, only cancelled at the last minute. And the previous weekend's sporting fixtures went ahead uninterrupted, which they ought not to have done, in hindsight. [Post edited 26 May 2020 10:26]
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There was disquiet, there was also plenty of support for it going ahead. Not least from punters. There was plenty of revelry on here relating to Cheltenham, and no doubt some will have attended.
I was a little surprised at the time that it went ahead, but the advice at the time from govt advisors was that large outdoor events weren't a huge risk.
That surprised me, but that was the advice. I don't remember opposition parties demanding that it should be cancelled. |  |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:33 - May 26 with 5060 views | bluejacko |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:29 - May 26 by Marshalls_Mullet |
There was disquiet, there was also plenty of support for it going ahead. Not least from punters. There was plenty of revelry on here relating to Cheltenham, and no doubt some will have attended.
I was a little surprised at the time that it went ahead, but the advice at the time from govt advisors was that large outdoor events weren't a huge risk.
That surprised me, but that was the advice. I don't remember opposition parties demanding that it should be cancelled. |
But if opposition parties had called for it to be cancelled some people could not now shout ‘blame’ the govt! |  | | |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:36 - May 26 with 5046 views | Guthrum |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:29 - May 26 by Marshalls_Mullet |
There was disquiet, there was also plenty of support for it going ahead. Not least from punters. There was plenty of revelry on here relating to Cheltenham, and no doubt some will have attended.
I was a little surprised at the time that it went ahead, but the advice at the time from govt advisors was that large outdoor events weren't a huge risk.
That surprised me, but that was the advice. I don't remember opposition parties demanding that it should be cancelled. |
Friend of mine, despite being a fanatical horseracing fan, actually left town for the week, being concerned over the crowds as he has suffered from lung problems for years.
Another friend, who just about survived a very bad case of C-19, is pretty sure he caught it during that week, when he was performing music in a crowded pub (one of the staff was hospitalised with it, too, fortunately not so seriously). | |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:40 - May 26 with 5028 views | JakeITFC |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:25 - May 26 by Guthrum |
Quite a lot of people were expressing disquiet at the time. Including some in the town of Cheltenham.
But, on the other hand, there was also an argument based on what was known at the time the go-ahead was given that it would be ok if precautions were taken. Don't forget, the following Saturday's football matches also came very close to taking place, only cancelled at the last minute. And the previous weekend's sporting fixtures went ahead uninterrupted, which they ought not to have done, in hindsight. [Post edited 26 May 2020 10:26]
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The advice seemed wrong then and seems wrong now - it seemed to me as though they had a fundamental misunderstanding of what R meant (as in I'm pretty sure one of the scientific advisers said something along the lines of 'the R is 3 so on average you'll only infect 3 other people so it doesn't matter if you're surrounded by thousands of others'.
Now I'm clearly no expert on this, but I don't think that the coronavirus is like a bee sting in that you can only pass it on a finite number of times. |  | | |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:43 - May 26 with 5015 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:36 - May 26 by Guthrum |
Friend of mine, despite being a fanatical horseracing fan, actually left town for the week, being concerned over the crowds as he has suffered from lung problems for years.
Another friend, who just about survived a very bad case of C-19, is pretty sure he caught it during that week, when he was performing music in a crowded pub (one of the staff was hospitalised with it, too, fortunately not so seriously). |
Not disputing that, just saying that advice at the time wasn't strong enough.
There were also huge marches across the globe 2 days earlier for International Women's day, and football etc. It wasn't just Cheltenham in isolation. | |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:49 - May 26 with 4989 views | Ipswich1984 |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:43 - May 26 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Not disputing that, just saying that advice at the time wasn't strong enough.
There were also huge marches across the globe 2 days earlier for International Women's day, and football etc. It wasn't just Cheltenham in isolation. |
Can include the Six Nations in Edinburgh too which had a large number of the French there and their outbreak was ahead of ours at that time. |  |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 11:08 - May 26 with 4949 views | Guthrum |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:43 - May 26 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Not disputing that, just saying that advice at the time wasn't strong enough.
There were also huge marches across the globe 2 days earlier for International Women's day, and football etc. It wasn't just Cheltenham in isolation. |
Indeed. Those were kind of my points, too. | |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 11:09 - May 26 with 4953 views | J2BLUE |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:25 - May 26 by Guthrum |
Quite a lot of people were expressing disquiet at the time. Including some in the town of Cheltenham.
But, on the other hand, there was also an argument based on what was known at the time the go-ahead was given that it would be ok if precautions were taken. Don't forget, the following Saturday's football matches also came very close to taking place, only cancelled at the last minute. And the previous weekend's sporting fixtures went ahead uninterrupted, which they ought not to have done, in hindsight. [Post edited 26 May 2020 10:26]
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Are you sure about the following football matches? I'm sure I watched Cheltenham knowing it was the last sporting event for quite a while. |  |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 11:09 - May 26 with 4946 views | Guthrum |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 10:40 - May 26 by JakeITFC |
The advice seemed wrong then and seems wrong now - it seemed to me as though they had a fundamental misunderstanding of what R meant (as in I'm pretty sure one of the scientific advisers said something along the lines of 'the R is 3 so on average you'll only infect 3 other people so it doesn't matter if you're surrounded by thousands of others'.
Now I'm clearly no expert on this, but I don't think that the coronavirus is like a bee sting in that you can only pass it on a finite number of times. |
Yes, that was pointed out to me at the time by someone working in the field. | |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 11:13 - May 26 with 4927 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 11:08 - May 26 by Guthrum |
Indeed. Those were kind of my points, too. |
Also key to remember that Corbyn attended the Women's Day March in London, so couldn't have been that opposed to mass public gatherings at the time. | |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 11:15 - May 26 with 4912 views | Guthrum |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 11:09 - May 26 by J2BLUE |
Are you sure about the following football matches? I'm sure I watched Cheltenham knowing it was the last sporting event for quite a while. |
The Bristol Rovers fixture was cancelled on Friday 13th March, the day before it was due to take place, which was also the final day of the Gold Cup meeting. | |
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| Pretty sure that the "increased" infection rates..... on 11:19 - May 26 with 4898 views | Bloots |
….quoted were debunked at the time as being untrue, but I can't find the story.
There was always going to be a "final" mass gathering before lockdown, whenever it was, and I'm pretty certain whatever event it was would have got the same treatment from the media.
For the record I went, with friends and family, I met further people there and know literally dozens that went, none of which have displayed symptoms. |  |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 11:24 - May 26 with 4871 views | J2BLUE |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 11:15 - May 26 by Guthrum |
The Bristol Rovers fixture was cancelled on Friday 13th March, the day before it was due to take place, which was also the final day of the Gold Cup meeting. |
I stand corrected. Cheers. | |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 11:57 - May 26 with 4806 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 09:31 - May 26 by Steve_M |
Who could possibly have predicted that this might happen? Grossly irresponsible government. |
Labour's leadership wasn't against mass gatherings at the time. | |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 12:02 - May 26 with 4795 views | SpruceMoose |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 11:13 - May 26 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Also key to remember that Corbyn attended the Women's Day March in London, so couldn't have been that opposed to mass public gatherings at the time. |
Been a while since we've seen a good old 'But Corbyn'! |  |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 12:06 - May 26 with 4790 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 12:02 - May 26 by SpruceMoose |
Been a while since we've seen a good old 'But Corbyn'! |
Always keen to add a balanced view when facts have been missed. | |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 12:36 - May 26 with 4745 views | gordon |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 12:02 - May 26 by SpruceMoose |
Been a while since we've seen a good old 'But Corbyn'! |
Michael Foot didn't come out against Cheltenham going ahead, so the Government can't be blamed here. |  | | |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 12:37 - May 26 with 4742 views | bluejacko |
Didn’t Liverpool play a European game that week as well? can’t remember who it was but seem to remember people saying it was a virus hotspot in Italy! | | | |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 12:38 - May 26 with 4745 views | PhilTWTD |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 11:15 - May 26 by Guthrum |
The Bristol Rovers fixture was cancelled on Friday 13th March, the day before it was due to take place, which was also the final day of the Gold Cup meeting. |
Worth pointing out it was the EFL and Premier League which called games off, there was no Government advice telling them to do that. |  | | |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 12:40 - May 26 with 4728 views | JakeITFC |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 12:37 - May 26 by bluejacko |
Didn’t Liverpool play a European game that week as well? can’t remember who it was but seem to remember people saying it was a virus hotspot in Italy! |
Atletico Madrid, with Madrid being a real virus hotspot at that point. | | | |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 12:40 - May 26 with 4726 views | Mullet |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 12:37 - May 26 by bluejacko |
Didn’t Liverpool play a European game that week as well? can’t remember who it was but seem to remember people saying it was a virus hotspot in Italy! |
Atletico Madrid wasn’t it? That and the three big Stereophonics concerts were the last events that made the news and had lots of people condemning them from memory. |  |
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| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 13:02 - May 26 with 4685 views | longtimefan |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 12:38 - May 26 by PhilTWTD |
Worth pointing out it was the EFL and Premier League which called games off, there was no Government advice telling them to do that. |
There wasn’t. However, I’d already decided myself that there was no way I would be spending close to 10 hours on a coach going to Bristol and back with things the way they were, even if the game was going ahead. | | | |
| So Cheltenham going ahead 'caused increased suffering and death' on 13:03 - May 26 with 4680 views | gordon |
These events were taking place at the time when the government thought it inevitable that 60 - 80% of the population would get infected with the virus, and there was loads of spare capacity in the NHS to process serious illnesses / deaths.
As such, these events didn't go ahead on the basis that people wouldn't get infected (a proportion of which would then die), they went ahead on the basis that these infections wouldn't overload the NHS. | | | |
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