| Sinister if true 13:50 - May 29 with 3870 views | BryanPlug |
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| Sinister if true on 13:56 - May 29 with 2762 views | monytowbray |
What's the evidence for him being a plant? |  |
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| Sinister if true on 14:00 - May 29 with 2735 views | BryanPlug |
| Sinister if true on 13:56 - May 29 by monytowbray |
What's the evidence for him being a plant? |
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| Sinister if true on 14:26 - May 29 with 2602 views | Guthrum |
| Sinister if true on 14:00 - May 29 by BryanPlug |
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Not sure that's terribly conclusive. With the mask and helmet, very difficult to tie the pics together. He's named by people who claim to knw him, but that could equally be false internet rumours.
With the get-up, the brolly and the way he's acting (in font of cameras), he's also making himself stand out rather too much for an agent provocateur. They're supposed to incite others to act, not be the only one doing it. |  |
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| Sinister if true on 14:29 - May 29 with 2571 views | sparks |
| Sinister if true on 14:00 - May 29 by BryanPlug |
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This is how unfounded rumorus and conspiracy theories start, and how innocent people get hurt. The internet has a lot to answer for.
Is it impossible? No.
Will large numbers of people accept a few tweets and bare assertions ot be good enough to reach conclusions on? Regrettably- yes. |  |
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| Sinister if true on 14:29 - May 29 with 2562 views | lowhouseblue |
"people are saying."
hmmmm. |  |
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| Sinister if true on 14:29 - May 29 with 2572 views | BryanPlug |
| Sinister if true on 14:26 - May 29 by Guthrum |
Not sure that's terribly conclusive. With the mask and helmet, very difficult to tie the pics together. He's named by people who claim to knw him, but that could equally be false internet rumours.
With the get-up, the brolly and the way he's acting (in font of cameras), he's also making himself stand out rather too much for an agent provocateur. They're supposed to incite others to act, not be the only one doing it. |
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| Sinister if true on 14:31 - May 29 with 2550 views | BryanPlug |
| Sinister if true on 14:29 - May 29 by lowhouseblue |
"people are saying."
hmmmm. |
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| Sinister if true on 14:33 - May 29 with 2530 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sinister if true on 14:31 - May 29 by BryanPlug |
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it's how gossip, rumour and fakery are generally conveyed. 'people are saying' rather than a source or proof. | |
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| Sinister if true on 14:37 - May 29 with 2506 views | Guthrum |
| Sinister if true on 14:29 - May 29 by BryanPlug |
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Not really. The severity of the rioting just draws further attention to the unresolved original incident.
And if it is proven to be a cop doing that, the fallout and consequences would be very considerable. | |
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| Sinister if true on 14:39 - May 29 with 2498 views | BryanPlug |
| Sinister if true on 14:33 - May 29 by lowhouseblue |
it's how gossip, rumour and fakery are generally conveyed. 'people are saying' rather than a source or proof. |
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| Sinister if true on 14:39 - May 29 with 2496 views | BryanPlug |
| Sinister if true on 14:37 - May 29 by Guthrum |
Not really. The severity of the rioting just draws further attention to the unresolved original incident.
And if it is proven to be a cop doing that, the fallout and consequences would be very considerable. |
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| Sinister if true on 14:45 - May 29 with 2446 views | Guthrum |
| Sinister if true on 14:39 - May 29 by BryanPlug |
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So if you're trying not to present youselves as a police force utterly out of control (killing people during arrests, or having former officers shoot black joggers), why do something which outright proves it? | |
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| Sinister if true on 14:47 - May 29 with 2432 views | Swansea_Blue |
Whether it's the same guy or not, it doesn't exactly fit the narrative of 'the blacks are rioting again". Very strange behaviour - some well-disguised guy turns up, casually smashed in the windows, very calmly talks to the people around him and then just saunters off. Someone totally in control. Not saying that this is a police officer at all, just it's strange behaviour. |  |
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| Sinister if true on 14:49 - May 29 with 2407 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sinister if true on 14:26 - May 29 by Guthrum |
Not sure that's terribly conclusive. With the mask and helmet, very difficult to tie the pics together. He's named by people who claim to knw him, but that could equally be false internet rumours.
With the get-up, the brolly and the way he's acting (in font of cameras), he's also making himself stand out rather too much for an agent provocateur. They're supposed to incite others to act, not be the only one doing it. |
Besides, the guy on the right is taller  | |
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| Sinister if true on 14:51 - May 29 with 2392 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sinister if true on 14:47 - May 29 by Swansea_Blue |
Whether it's the same guy or not, it doesn't exactly fit the narrative of 'the blacks are rioting again". Very strange behaviour - some well-disguised guy turns up, casually smashed in the windows, very calmly talks to the people around him and then just saunters off. Someone totally in control. Not saying that this is a police officer at all, just it's strange behaviour. |
but was it a police issue umbrella? or is that a double bluff. | |
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| Sinister if true on 14:51 - May 29 with 2398 views | sparks |
| Sinister if true on 14:47 - May 29 by Swansea_Blue |
Whether it's the same guy or not, it doesn't exactly fit the narrative of 'the blacks are rioting again". Very strange behaviour - some well-disguised guy turns up, casually smashed in the windows, very calmly talks to the people around him and then just saunters off. Someone totally in control. Not saying that this is a police officer at all, just it's strange behaviour. |
Could be anyone- but the comments in this thread sum up the problem.
"People are saying its police/ fire brigade spec mask".
Evidence? Do others have access? Would an undercover officer be stupid enough to use a police issue mask?
The time to believe or entertain this stuff is when there is evidence for it. But these things simply get propogated. Like the stuff about covid and hte wuhan lab where substantive rumours and semi-beliefs have grown from utterly fatuous information. | |
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| Sinister if true on 14:58 - May 29 with 2348 views | Guthrum |
| Sinister if true on 14:39 - May 29 by BryanPlug |
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It's also very similar to masks you can buy from Screwfix. | |
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| Sinister if true on 15:04 - May 29 with 2327 views | SpruceMoose |
| Sinister if true on 14:51 - May 29 by sparks |
Could be anyone- but the comments in this thread sum up the problem.
"People are saying its police/ fire brigade spec mask".
Evidence? Do others have access? Would an undercover officer be stupid enough to use a police issue mask?
The time to believe or entertain this stuff is when there is evidence for it. But these things simply get propogated. Like the stuff about covid and hte wuhan lab where substantive rumours and semi-beliefs have grown from utterly fatuous information. |
Indeed. There is enough evidence of the massive levels of violence and corruption being committed by various US police forces that there's no need to go undermining genuine abuses by floating these conspiracy theories.
Show me the evidence. Like video of a man being suffocated to death. Then I'll sit up and listen. |  |
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| Sinister if true on 15:05 - May 29 with 2327 views | Guthrum |
| Sinister if true on 14:47 - May 29 by Swansea_Blue |
Whether it's the same guy or not, it doesn't exactly fit the narrative of 'the blacks are rioting again". Very strange behaviour - some well-disguised guy turns up, casually smashed in the windows, very calmly talks to the people around him and then just saunters off. Someone totally in control. Not saying that this is a police officer at all, just it's strange behaviour. |
There are other people than the cops who might want to incite violence. Criminals, for personal gain from looting. "Anarchists"*, seeking to bring on the revolution or just wanting to fight the police. Youths out for a bit of vandalism while law and order has broken down (c.f. the UK riots of a few years ago).
Indeed, given the safety of their officers is under threat, you'd think the police would want to minimise violence.
* In the media sense, not the political one. | |
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| Sinister if true on 15:07 - May 29 with 2316 views | BryanPlug |
| Sinister if true on 15:04 - May 29 by SpruceMoose |
Indeed. There is enough evidence of the massive levels of violence and corruption being committed by various US police forces that there's no need to go undermining genuine abuses by floating these conspiracy theories.
Show me the evidence. Like video of a man being suffocated to death. Then I'll sit up and listen. |
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| Sinister if true on 15:11 - May 29 with 2301 views | BryanPlug |
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| Sinister if true on 15:12 - May 29 with 2285 views | sparks |
| Sinister if true on 15:07 - May 29 by BryanPlug |
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Is this case finished, or are the police being investigated...? | |
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| Sinister if true on 15:18 - May 29 with 2259 views | Libero |
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| Sinister if true on 15:18 - May 29 with 2253 views | SpruceMoose |
| Sinister if true on 15:07 - May 29 by BryanPlug |
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I expect the four officers who killed George Floyd will be offered up as a sacrifice, a limp effort to demonstrate that the problem is being tackled, but institutional racism will continue as usual.
It's not that there's more racism these days, it's that more of it is being filmed. | |
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| Sinister if true on 15:23 - May 29 with 2223 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sinister if true on 15:05 - May 29 by Guthrum |
There are other people than the cops who might want to incite violence. Criminals, for personal gain from looting. "Anarchists"*, seeking to bring on the revolution or just wanting to fight the police. Youths out for a bit of vandalism while law and order has broken down (c.f. the UK riots of a few years ago).
Indeed, given the safety of their officers is under threat, you'd think the police would want to minimise violence.
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I was thinking 'professional' protester rather than police. This could easily be someone who's got a grudge to bear against the black community and may have done stuff like this before. They're no stranger to violence whoever it is - they look well prepared and practiced. | |
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