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I wonder if people realise just how close to the edge America is this morning. Because there’s only one stage left now. Trump orders military and police to crush protests. Elements of military and police refuse, and/or start to protect the protestors. Then it’s over.
When Dan Hodges is the subject of the question ‘are they right?’, the answer is almost certainly ‘no’.
I’d say it’s very naive to think that more armed presence on the streets is going to curtail violence, particularly when the majority of it is coming from those supposed to ‘serve and protect’.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 11:38 - Jun 2 by LankHenners
When Dan Hodges is the subject of the question ‘are they right?’, the answer is almost certainly ‘no’.
I’d say it’s very naive to think that more armed presence on the streets is going to curtail violence, particularly when the majority of it is coming from those supposed to ‘serve and protect’.
I think that’s what Hodges is implying - when he says ‘over’ he means if Trump loses the military or armed police then he loses a key component of his defence.
Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 11:41 - Jun 2 by pointofblue
I think that’s what Hodges is implying - when he says ‘over’ he means if Trump loses the military or armed police then he loses a key component of his defence.
If the military come in and quell the violence then Trump will have been proved 'right' to do what he did.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 11:47 - Jun 2 by J2BLUE
He's talking about the possibility of a high percentage of the military refusing to obey Trump's orders.
Does anyone really think that's going to happen? Besides, his orders have been to send them in to "quickly solve the problem" which is vague enough to mean anything.
What exactly does Hodges mean by 'protect the protesters'? That the military will go in and directly oppose the cops? As I said, if whatever the military does stops violence, even if it's an unlikely scenario where they form a protective ring around protesters, then Trump will say he made the right decision to use such tactics, regardless of the initial intentions.
The only 'lose' here for Trump is if this increases violence and it spurs enough people to vote him out, although even then it equally gives him the opportunity to go on a big Patriotic drive about left-wing protesters being a national threat to American democracy and that type of BS you know he's bound to spin.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 11:53 - Jun 2 by giant_stow
Yes, and I guess some kind of civil war, or something getitng very close to that at least...
It's not that daft a thought is it, given the existing splits in society over there?
When you look at the number of armed groups in America who've been prepping for a civil war for decades, it really won't take much to make it go off. On top of that, there are still many extreme elements on all sides pushing for an eventual race war. This seems to be a near perfect storm for that.
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Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 11:57 - Jun 2 by footers
When you look at the number of armed groups in America who've been prepping for a civil war for decades, it really won't take much to make it go off. On top of that, there are still many extreme elements on all sides pushing for an eventual race war. This seems to be a near perfect storm for that.
I still don't think that the US military will forcefully put down the process. Maybe I am being naive but there are a lot of generals who I don't believe would allow their troops to undertake such an action.
As for the preppers, they wouldn't last 10 minutes against the military if it did turn that way. The trouble is they are likely to be on the side of the presidents office which would mean the military going against that office which also seems unlikely.
It's a horrible situation over there.
SB
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Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 11:57 - Jun 2 by LankHenners
Does anyone really think that's going to happen? Besides, his orders have been to send them in to "quickly solve the problem" which is vague enough to mean anything.
What exactly does Hodges mean by 'protect the protesters'? That the military will go in and directly oppose the cops? As I said, if whatever the military does stops violence, even if it's an unlikely scenario where they form a protective ring around protesters, then Trump will say he made the right decision to use such tactics, regardless of the initial intentions.
The only 'lose' here for Trump is if this increases violence and it spurs enough people to vote him out, although even then it equally gives him the opportunity to go on a big Patriotic drive about left-wing protesters being a national threat to American democracy and that type of BS you know he's bound to spin.
Obviously its hard to tell, but there do seem to be plenty of incidences on social media of police sympathysing with the cause (if not the looting). Individuals in the police and military will have their own political leanings - if push to comes to shove and they disobey fascistic orders, then there's suddenly two police forces, two armies...
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 11:38 - Jun 2 by LankHenners
When Dan Hodges is the subject of the question ‘are they right?’, the answer is almost certainly ‘no’.
I’d say it’s very naive to think that more armed presence on the streets is going to curtail violence, particularly when the majority of it is coming from those supposed to ‘serve and protect’.
Indeed. He's one of those edgy radical moderates that are so good at adding their own cloud to the debate. For clickbait and money, it seems.
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Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 12:10 - Jun 2 with 1346 views
Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 12:01 - Jun 2 by StokieBlue
I still don't think that the US military will forcefully put down the process. Maybe I am being naive but there are a lot of generals who I don't believe would allow their troops to undertake such an action.
As for the preppers, they wouldn't last 10 minutes against the military if it did turn that way. The trouble is they are likely to be on the side of the presidents office which would mean the military going against that office which also seems unlikely.
It's a horrible situation over there.
SB
I think it would be a pretty mixed bag as far as the military are concerned. Of course, a lot will be BAME themselves and refuse such actions, but then again Trump has made the military second only to the economy in terms of his rhetoric. Suspect a lot will stand in support of him as their Commander in Chief.
My concerns on the preppers aren't so much that they'd be able to carry out anything serious, but merely act as another unneeded catalyst in a country with citizens that have access to almost 400 million firearms.
These issues around race, police brutality etc seem especially stark in the US. They've been paying lip service to real change for decades now and it was only a matter of time before another Rodney King sparked something this big. Of course there have been a million more events like this in between but nowhere near the scale. It's a terrifying and utterly depressing situation.
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Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 11:57 - Jun 2 by LankHenners
Does anyone really think that's going to happen? Besides, his orders have been to send them in to "quickly solve the problem" which is vague enough to mean anything.
What exactly does Hodges mean by 'protect the protesters'? That the military will go in and directly oppose the cops? As I said, if whatever the military does stops violence, even if it's an unlikely scenario where they form a protective ring around protesters, then Trump will say he made the right decision to use such tactics, regardless of the initial intentions.
The only 'lose' here for Trump is if this increases violence and it spurs enough people to vote him out, although even then it equally gives him the opportunity to go on a big Patriotic drive about left-wing protesters being a national threat to American democracy and that type of BS you know he's bound to spin.
I don't think it will happen, I was just clarifying the point.
Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 11:53 - Jun 2 by giant_stow
Yes, and I guess some kind of civil war, or something getitng very close to that at least...
It's not that daft a thought is it, given the existing splits in society over there?
There was actually a pretty interesting podcast I listened to recently that walked you through, if there was ever to be a second American civil war, how it might start, how it might play out, and what would come after.
Obviously take with a pinch of salt, but it does bring up some interesting points (such as who controls most of the drinking water in California - hint, it ain't LA).
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Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 13:16 - Jun 2 by SpruceMoose
There was actually a pretty interesting podcast I listened to recently that walked you through, if there was ever to be a second American civil war, how it might start, how it might play out, and what would come after.
Obviously take with a pinch of salt, but it does bring up some interesting points (such as who controls most of the drinking water in California - hint, it ain't LA).
Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 12:01 - Jun 2 by StokieBlue
I still don't think that the US military will forcefully put down the process. Maybe I am being naive but there are a lot of generals who I don't believe would allow their troops to undertake such an action.
As for the preppers, they wouldn't last 10 minutes against the military if it did turn that way. The trouble is they are likely to be on the side of the presidents office which would mean the military going against that office which also seems unlikely.
It's a horrible situation over there.
SB
Quite. Your average 2A loving bibles and guns funboy isn't going to be the one who would ultimately battle a government long term. Those chubby farm boys would get taken out in the first wave. Smarter people would then pick up their weapons and it would be guerrilla war time.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 11:41 - Jun 2 by pointofblue
I think that’s what Hodges is implying - when he says ‘over’ he means if Trump loses the military or armed police then he loses a key component of his defence.
Interesting tweet re seriousness of situation in America on 11:47 - Jun 2 by J2BLUE
He's talking about the possibility of a high percentage of the military refusing to obey Trump's orders.
Only if the orders are "crush the protests". Their orders will more likely be to protect against and contain violence. Just like in the Rodney King LA riots.
Trump may editorialise that in his tweets to play the strongman but the actual orders will not be to stop people peacefully protesting. I would almost guarantee that, not least because it would be on record.
As always, the greatest weapon and threat is Trump himself and how he gets off on playing fast and loose with his words not necessarily his actions.
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