| This is quite an interesting development on 11:38 - Jun 8 with 1645 views | hampstead_blue |
the entire country is broken.
Need to scrap the constitution and start again.
There is a song there.....maybe start with the word...'Imagine'...... |  |
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| This is quite an interesting development on 11:49 - Jun 8 with 1626 views | StokieBlue |
Reading their FAQ I feel they have a very idealised view of how people behave and how this would work. I agree with some of it, certainly more trained people dealing with mental health related calls rather than police would be good for instance.
I do think there are some naive assumptions in there though with regards to the long-term aims.
Certainly an important development and it will be interesting to see how it pans out.
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| This is quite an interesting development on 12:27 - Jun 8 with 1567 views | WeWereZombies |
| This is quite an interesting development on 11:38 - Jun 8 by hampstead_blue |
the entire country is broken.
Need to scrap the constitution and start again.
There is a song there.....maybe start with the word...'Imagine'...... |
I have not read The Guardian piece (yet), still reading a piece from The Atlantic posted on another thread - this has given me a quote to, hopefully, make you think on the constitution of the United States:
'Trump’s first statement as president, his inaugural address, was an unprecedented assault on American democracy and American values. Remember: He described America’s capital city, America’s government, America’s congressmen and senators–all democratically elected and chosen by Americans, according to America’s 227-year-old Constitution–as an “establishment” that had profited at the expense of “the people.” “Their victories have not been your victories,” he said. “Their triumphs have not been your triumphs.” Trump was stating, as clearly as he possibly could, that a new set of values was now replacing the old, though of course the nature of those new values was not yet clear.'
Also, do not forget that East Anglia's own Tom Paine had a hand in drafting that constitution:
https://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer= https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1285&context=facpub |  |
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| This is quite an interesting development on 12:51 - Jun 8 with 1525 views | GlasgowBlue |
Something I suggested last week was to look at how the RUC was disbanded and re booted. |  |
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| This is quite an interesting development on 13:04 - Jun 8 with 1503 views | sparks |
| This is quite an interesting development on 12:51 - Jun 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Something I suggested last week was to look at how the RUC was disbanded and re booted. |
They seem to be suggesting more than a reboot- rather some sort of community led safety arrangement and reduced funding.
It seems it be nudging into batshyte crazy territory! |  |
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| This is quite an interesting development on 13:06 - Jun 8 with 1493 views | LankHenners |
Good, long overdue. |  |
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| This is quite an interesting development on 15:13 - Jun 8 with 1400 views | Illinoisblue |
| This is quite an interesting development on 13:04 - Jun 8 by sparks |
They seem to be suggesting more than a reboot- rather some sort of community led safety arrangement and reduced funding.
It seems it be nudging into batshyte crazy territory! |
Indeed. It’s an utterly absurd idea. If even 1% of cops are racist scum, how does that warrant disbanding the entire police force? |  |
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| This is quite an interesting development on 15:44 - Jun 8 with 1369 views | Steve_M |
| This is quite an interesting development on 12:51 - Jun 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Something I suggested last week was to look at how the RUC was disbanded and re booted. |
Seems to be what happened in Camden, NJ too. Oddly one of the more peaceful protests over the last week. |  |
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| This is quite an interesting development on 15:45 - Jun 8 with 1367 views | noggin |
| This is quite an interesting development on 15:13 - Jun 8 by Illinoisblue |
Indeed. It’s an utterly absurd idea. If even 1% of cops are racist scum, how does that warrant disbanding the entire police force? |
I've read that Police academy is 6 months of training in America and even less in the UK. That seems very little time to educate someone in such an important role. |  |
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| This is quite an interesting development on 16:00 - Jun 8 with 1331 views | hampstead_blue |
| This is quite an interesting development on 12:51 - Jun 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Something I suggested last week was to look at how the RUC was disbanded and re booted. |
So different it could not be more different. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| This is quite an interesting development on 17:53 - Jun 8 with 1242 views | bluelagos |
| This is quite an interesting development on 15:13 - Jun 8 by Illinoisblue |
Indeed. It’s an utterly absurd idea. If even 1% of cops are racist scum, how does that warrant disbanding the entire police force? |
If an organisation is corrupt to its core, I'd argue disbanding it is the only solution.
In Baltimore - 57 out of 57 police applauded their two colleagues who were identified pushing over a 75 year old protester. I can see no other response in that scenario.
What you replace it with, is a whole different question of course and not one I have strong opinions on. |  |
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| This is quite an interesting development on 19:02 - Jun 8 with 1195 views | sparks |
| This is quite an interesting development on 17:53 - Jun 8 by bluelagos |
If an organisation is corrupt to its core, I'd argue disbanding it is the only solution.
In Baltimore - 57 out of 57 police applauded their two colleagues who were identified pushing over a 75 year old protester. I can see no other response in that scenario.
What you replace it with, is a whole different question of course and not one I have strong opinions on. |
That incident is a difficult one. Force was minimal- there was no intent to harm there. The reaction afterwards and the claim he tripped were disgusting, and the results (and lack of judgment in terms of a relatively frail person approaching them) troubling.
However- if they had ordes to robustly clear a square- that was hardly excessive force. Rather it was excessive consequences.
That, however, is besides the point. If its corrupt and screwed- then I agree you have to do something significant. Its the idea of some sort of community safety organisation that is nuts. Sometimes you need police who can be robust. | |
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| This is quite an interesting development on 19:51 - Jun 8 with 1155 views | bluelagos |
| This is quite an interesting development on 19:02 - Jun 8 by sparks |
That incident is a difficult one. Force was minimal- there was no intent to harm there. The reaction afterwards and the claim he tripped were disgusting, and the results (and lack of judgment in terms of a relatively frail person approaching them) troubling.
However- if they had ordes to robustly clear a square- that was hardly excessive force. Rather it was excessive consequences.
That, however, is besides the point. If its corrupt and screwed- then I agree you have to do something significant. Its the idea of some sort of community safety organisation that is nuts. Sometimes you need police who can be robust. |
If the police had picked him up and acted in a humane manner, rather than stepping over him as blood poured out of his head, I might agree with you.
And given that was how they behaved and then chose to applaud their colleagues, I think the point stands.
As for what should come next, have no firm thoughts other than they should understand that protect and serve relates to the people, not to their own. | |
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| This is quite an interesting development on 19:58 - Jun 8 with 1143 views | sparks |
| This is quite an interesting development on 19:51 - Jun 8 by bluelagos |
If the police had picked him up and acted in a humane manner, rather than stepping over him as blood poured out of his head, I might agree with you.
And given that was how they behaved and then chose to applaud their colleagues, I think the point stands.
As for what should come next, have no firm thoughts other than they should understand that protect and serve relates to the people, not to their own. |
You have pretty much repeated what I said.
One bloke did try to stop but was clearly prevented. Which was disgusting. | |
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| This is quite an interesting development on 10:00 - Jun 9 with 1041 views | WeWereZombies |
| This is quite an interesting development on 19:51 - Jun 8 by bluelagos |
If the police had picked him up and acted in a humane manner, rather than stepping over him as blood poured out of his head, I might agree with you.
And given that was how they behaved and then chose to applaud their colleagues, I think the point stands.
As for what should come next, have no firm thoughts other than they should understand that protect and serve relates to the people, not to their own. |
One thing that struck me about the clip of Martin Gugino being pushed over was the military nature of the police operation, in other words not only has they preempted Trump's intention to put the Army on the streets but they had trained for the event as an 'Emergency Response Team'. So the threatened group resignation of this team in Buffalo (did someone say Baltimore earlier in the thread, that is at least a six hour drive away) is unlikely to change anything if the group think that organises anyone who joins the force does not change. | |
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