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We're not that far off 12:20 - Jun 15 with 15821 viewsgoperryrevs

After the Cov away game, I chatted to some Cov fans who said that, first half especially, we were the best team by far they'd seen all season. Early in the season, Cov's defence was woeful at times. But they managed to plug that gap, turn it around and now they're up.

Especially in league 1, margins are small - which is why we went from winning every week to losing every week. We've got a good crop of youngsters coming through, and players returning from injury, and a manager who, despite his failings at times, should be good enough for league 1. We'll have also had the experience playing for a season in league 1 to draw on.

Even if we lose Flynniesta and Wolf, there's enough to be hopeful that if/when next season happens, there's no reason we shouldn't be able to have a good go of it.
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We're not that far off on 13:05 - Jun 16 with 3088 viewssparks

We're not that far off on 12:57 - Jun 16 by Garv

I think that side finishes between mid table and relegation, to be honest.

Some good names mixed in but nowhere near enough steel and experience.

I'd be looking to recruit a new (future) captain if possible. Chambers to be phased out over the the next year or two.


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We're not that far off on 13:06 - Jun 16 with 3088 viewsGarv

We're not that far off on 10:48 - Jun 16 by patrickswell

Basically any player we’ve signed from Brentford’s play-off team in 2014/15 has been a real flop for us (Douglas, Diagouraga, Judge). We’ll end up with James Tarkowski in a few years time only to discover his legs have gone, I expect.


Diagouraga was all right, but not much more than that.

We are amazingly good at recruiting players a few years too late. Chopra another example.

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We're not that far off on 13:31 - Jun 16 with 3051 viewsWeWereZombies

We're not that far off on 13:05 - Jun 16 by sparks

You'll win nowt with kids!


You won't win the FA Youth Cup without them.

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We're not that far off on 13:53 - Jun 16 with 3014 viewsRadlett_blue

We're not that far off on 13:22 - Jun 15 by Illinoisblue

Whatever the new season holds and whenever it starts, I hope we don’t have to suffer seeing Alan Judge in a Town shirt again.


The same Alan Judge whom most people on here were begging Lambert to sign & the one who was the subject of all the flouncing after he wanted to move to QPR?
Funny how times change.

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We're not that far off on 13:56 - Jun 16 with 3003 viewsHerbivore

We're not that far off on 13:53 - Jun 16 by Radlett_blue

The same Alan Judge whom most people on here were begging Lambert to sign & the one who was the subject of all the flouncing after he wanted to move to QPR?
Funny how times change.


Yeah, it's really weird that after a year of him being crap people aren't so keen on him. Aren't people strange! Lol!

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We're not that far off on 14:01 - Jun 16 with 2996 viewsIpswichKnight

We're not that far off on 12:57 - Jun 16 by Garv

I think that side finishes between mid table and relegation, to be honest.

Some good names mixed in but nowhere near enough steel and experience.

I'd be looking to recruit a new (future) captain if possible. Chambers to be phased out over the the next year or two.


Downes and Dozzell doesn't work for me, we need a proper load of steel in that 2 in front of the back 4, I'd be looking to get in someone who knows the dark arts of this league and if they are a Captain too even better. We'd probably need another centre half and a left back as well if we can get some who again know there way around this league and give us a bit of bite as well even better.
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We're not that far off on 14:15 - Jun 16 with 2973 viewsBlueBadger

We're not that far off on 09:48 - Jun 16 by Wallingford_Boy

I see your Judge and raise you Gwion Edwards!

just
pointless

A winger that cannot wing and as for him playing full back.... *shudder*


He's basically a poor man's Carlos Edwards.

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We're not that far off on 14:22 - Jun 16 with 2952 viewsHerbivore

We're not that far off on 14:01 - Jun 16 by IpswichKnight

Downes and Dozzell doesn't work for me, we need a proper load of steel in that 2 in front of the back 4, I'd be looking to get in someone who knows the dark arts of this league and if they are a Captain too even better. We'd probably need another centre half and a left back as well if we can get some who again know there way around this league and give us a bit of bite as well even better.


The focus on strengthening the defence and adding more steel is interesting. Defensively we were fine last season, but we couldn't create chances or score goals. I'm not sure how another defensive midfielder and strengthening the back four will address that.

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We're not that far off on 14:31 - Jun 16 with 2945 viewsGarv

We're not that far off on 14:22 - Jun 16 by Herbivore

The focus on strengthening the defence and adding more steel is interesting. Defensively we were fine last season, but we couldn't create chances or score goals. I'm not sure how another defensive midfielder and strengthening the back four will address that.


See what you mean. We'll need a left back either way though - Kenlock has a lot to do to claim that, I imagine most will agree there. I think Chambers had a good enough season with some clangers mixed in, we should be starting to look to get a long term replacement in.

Individually in defence I think we're okay, but we're a soft touch when we come up against an Accrington, for example. Not necessarily just defensively, I'd like to see more height and strength all over, a target man included.

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We're not that far off on 14:39 - Jun 16 with 2934 viewsHerbivore

We're not that far off on 14:31 - Jun 16 by Garv

See what you mean. We'll need a left back either way though - Kenlock has a lot to do to claim that, I imagine most will agree there. I think Chambers had a good enough season with some clangers mixed in, we should be starting to look to get a long term replacement in.

Individually in defence I think we're okay, but we're a soft touch when we come up against an Accrington, for example. Not necessarily just defensively, I'd like to see more height and strength all over, a target man included.


We aren't the biggest side, that's true. I agree we'll need a CB at some point as Chambers doesn't have that much time left in him and I'm unconvinced by Nsiala and Wilson as replacements for him. Left back I agree we need someone in, unless Nydam can step up but that's a big if at the minute. I think another striker is a must, as you say someone with a bit of presence that we can play off and use as an outlet. Depending on what system we're going with I think some quality out wide wouldn't go amiss either. CM in theory we're well stocked but we never seem to have the balance quite right.

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We're not that far off on 14:43 - Jun 16 with 2930 viewstractorboy1978

We're not that far off on 12:57 - Jun 16 by Garv

I think that side finishes between mid table and relegation, to be honest.

Some good names mixed in but nowhere near enough steel and experience.

I'd be looking to recruit a new (future) captain if possible. Chambers to be phased out over the the next year or two.


I think you'd be surprised.

IMHO if the likes of Dozzell, El Mizouni, Dobra, Lankester aren't heavily involved this coming season then it undermines all that the club is saying about developing our own players. Last season we really lacked dynamism, pace and creativity - the experienced midfield options Huws, Judge and Nolan were poor.

As mentioned earlier I would look to sign Smith. And I do think Skuse still has a role to play. Another centre forward needs to be a priority - someone with a record of scoring goals, I agree we need some experience in that area.
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We're not that far off on 14:44 - Jun 16 with 2926 viewsTheTrueBlue1878

We're not that far off on 11:17 - Jun 16 by tractorboy1978

I'd look to sign Smith too.

I'm not sure there will be much of a market for Downes/Woolfy unless we are willing to sell on the cheap.
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I think that is my biggest fear, that they will be sold on the cheap, and I think Evans will be pushing for a sale to bridge the financial burden.

Especially given the likely lack of gate receipts.

Think Tommy Smith deal couldn't be done previously due to being apart of finances, he wanted too much, we were offering too low. Hopefully given the situation now his demands will reduce, also expecting their child, will be looking to settle with family around, its a move that makes perfect sense in my eyes.

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We're not that far off on 15:00 - Jun 16 with 2892 viewsWallingford_Boy

We're not that far off on 14:44 - Jun 16 by TheTrueBlue1878

I think that is my biggest fear, that they will be sold on the cheap, and I think Evans will be pushing for a sale to bridge the financial burden.

Especially given the likely lack of gate receipts.

Think Tommy Smith deal couldn't be done previously due to being apart of finances, he wanted too much, we were offering too low. Hopefully given the situation now his demands will reduce, also expecting their child, will be looking to settle with family around, its a move that makes perfect sense in my eyes.


Does the fact that Smith hasn't played any regular football (other than in the mickey mouse league) for almost 5 years not concern you?

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We're not that far off on 15:03 - Jun 16 with 2883 viewsLibero

We're not that far off on 15:00 - Jun 16 by Wallingford_Boy

Does the fact that Smith hasn't played any regular football (other than in the mickey mouse league) for almost 5 years not concern you?


You're the second person I've read on here today to give the MLS a hard time, I'm not sure it's really warranted. Obviously it's light years away from the Premier League, but so are we.
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We're not that far off on 15:04 - Jun 16 with 2879 viewstractorboy1978

We're not that far off on 15:00 - Jun 16 by Wallingford_Boy

Does the fact that Smith hasn't played any regular football (other than in the mickey mouse league) for almost 5 years not concern you?


MLS isn't a worse standard than L1.
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We're not that far off on 15:07 - Jun 16 with 2875 viewssparks

We're not that far off on 15:00 - Jun 16 by Wallingford_Boy

Does the fact that Smith hasn't played any regular football (other than in the mickey mouse league) for almost 5 years not concern you?


Not really. He has quite suffiicent ability to perform at this level, and offers something we dont have both in terms of power at the back, and goalscoring frmo set pieces- not to mention some experience and leadership.

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We're not that far off on 15:30 - Jun 16 with 2856 viewsGarv

We're not that far off on 14:39 - Jun 16 by Herbivore

We aren't the biggest side, that's true. I agree we'll need a CB at some point as Chambers doesn't have that much time left in him and I'm unconvinced by Nsiala and Wilson as replacements for him. Left back I agree we need someone in, unless Nydam can step up but that's a big if at the minute. I think another striker is a must, as you say someone with a bit of presence that we can play off and use as an outlet. Depending on what system we're going with I think some quality out wide wouldn't go amiss either. CM in theory we're well stocked but we never seem to have the balance quite right.


Yep.

As is always the case we lack wide players/wingers. Lankester is our best and he will have been out for over a year and a half when he comes back. Edwards is next best and he's been playing right back for 6 months. Rowe hasn't offered near enough for me.

Midfield has a lot of positives but also a lot of question marks, for varying reasons. How long will Skuse go on? Will Downes go? Will Dozzell fulfil potential? Huws' knee? Bishop's general fitness? Nolan offers the best combination of being in his prime, being able to maintain fitness generally, and potential/goals in League One, but he disappointed me this year.

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We're not that far off on 15:45 - Jun 16 with 2834 viewsIpswichKnight

We're not that far off on 14:22 - Jun 16 by Herbivore

The focus on strengthening the defence and adding more steel is interesting. Defensively we were fine last season, but we couldn't create chances or score goals. I'm not sure how another defensive midfielder and strengthening the back four will address that.


Mainly as we have no cover, Wilson is ok but after him we have nothing, if we are going to lose Woolfie it will be a pairing of Chambers and Wilson and there is no quality on the ball and no pace, I don't think Nydam is a left back he looks to small and lightweight for me there and in this league he will be singled out and the big lumps will target it. If Downes goes we have no one who can tackle there way out of a wet paper bag!

We also need someone who knows the dark arts of talking to the ref, how many times do we see one of our players get kicked halfway into next week and all we do is look meek and hope for a free kick if we are lucky, if we so much as look at an opposition player they are rolling around the floor while the rest of the team are screaming at the ref to send everyone off.

Also think an attacking squad of Dobra, El-Miz, Bishop, Judge, Lankester, Sears, Norwood and Jackson has enough about it to cause trouble ( though I'd be happy to see another target man brought in as well )
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We're not that far off on 07:42 - Jun 17 with 2742 viewsChrisd

We're not that far off on 14:31 - Jun 16 by Garv

See what you mean. We'll need a left back either way though - Kenlock has a lot to do to claim that, I imagine most will agree there. I think Chambers had a good enough season with some clangers mixed in, we should be starting to look to get a long term replacement in.

Individually in defence I think we're okay, but we're a soft touch when we come up against an Accrington, for example. Not necessarily just defensively, I'd like to see more height and strength all over, a target man included.


Being fine in defence, isn’t going to win us much. We showed enough last season when up against the better sides we couldn’t keep them out, struggled against big, direct teams and combined with our struggles at the other end of pitch is it any wonder why we rarely got it done against our promotion rivals? LB and an imposing CB are a must. Nsiala and Wilson have shown they just aren’t good enough if we want to be serious contenders. Although PL wants us to play a passing style, we’d still knock it long and we haven’t got a striker that has the ability to be a physical presence, hold the ball up which would allow others to feed off and get us further up the pitch. For all our options in CM, we still seem to lack that creative spark and those players seem incapable of closing the gap between the strikers and the midfield. There’s plenty for PL to address and to work on. However, as I’ve said before although we have the playing numbers, I’m still not convinced we have a good enough squad with a real depth of quality in key areas.

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We're not that far off on 07:51 - Jun 17 with 2729 viewsHerbivore

We're not that far off on 07:42 - Jun 17 by Chrisd

Being fine in defence, isn’t going to win us much. We showed enough last season when up against the better sides we couldn’t keep them out, struggled against big, direct teams and combined with our struggles at the other end of pitch is it any wonder why we rarely got it done against our promotion rivals? LB and an imposing CB are a must. Nsiala and Wilson have shown they just aren’t good enough if we want to be serious contenders. Although PL wants us to play a passing style, we’d still knock it long and we haven’t got a striker that has the ability to be a physical presence, hold the ball up which would allow others to feed off and get us further up the pitch. For all our options in CM, we still seem to lack that creative spark and those players seem incapable of closing the gap between the strikers and the midfield. There’s plenty for PL to address and to work on. However, as I’ve said before although we have the playing numbers, I’m still not convinced we have a good enough squad with a real depth of quality in key areas.


We rarely got it done last season because we don't create chances or score goals. We had the 5th best defence in the league but only the 11th best attack. Going forward is where our biggest issues are and is the main area to address, though we will need a new left back now Garbutt has gone as Kenlock isn't good enough.

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We're not that far off on 07:58 - Jun 17 with 2719 viewsStNeotsBlue

We're not that far off on 07:51 - Jun 17 by Herbivore

We rarely got it done last season because we don't create chances or score goals. We had the 5th best defence in the league but only the 11th best attack. Going forward is where our biggest issues are and is the main area to address, though we will need a new left back now Garbutt has gone as Kenlock isn't good enough.


Think you're being overly harsh to Kenlock there. Last season he started 8 games in which we conceded 4 goals, lost once ( away at Sunderland) he is more than good enough to hold his own at our current level.
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We're not that far off on 07:42 - Jun 17 by Chrisd

Being fine in defence, isn’t going to win us much. We showed enough last season when up against the better sides we couldn’t keep them out, struggled against big, direct teams and combined with our struggles at the other end of pitch is it any wonder why we rarely got it done against our promotion rivals? LB and an imposing CB are a must. Nsiala and Wilson have shown they just aren’t good enough if we want to be serious contenders. Although PL wants us to play a passing style, we’d still knock it long and we haven’t got a striker that has the ability to be a physical presence, hold the ball up which would allow others to feed off and get us further up the pitch. For all our options in CM, we still seem to lack that creative spark and those players seem incapable of closing the gap between the strikers and the midfield. There’s plenty for PL to address and to work on. However, as I’ve said before although we have the playing numbers, I’m still not convinced we have a good enough squad with a real depth of quality in key areas.


We didn’t get it done against our promotion rivals because in our games against those above us in the table we scored the following:

1, 2, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0 and 0

We only conceded more than once in 3 of those

Only four teams conceded less goals than us - all of whom had played 1 or 2 games less to boot. Also whilst I’m not a fan of removing certain games to skew figures 25% of the goals we conceded came across 2 games - I suspect if you were to remove every teams 2 worst games we would have the best record in the league

Going forwards meanwhile we had the 11th best record in the league - and that’s after a quick start where we scored 21 of the 46 goals we managed during the 11 game run at the start of the season (25 in 25 from there on out)

But yeah, the defence was definitely the problem

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We're not that far off on 08:02 - Jun 17 with 2713 viewsChrisd

We're not that far off on 07:51 - Jun 17 by Herbivore

We rarely got it done last season because we don't create chances or score goals. We had the 5th best defence in the league but only the 11th best attack. Going forward is where our biggest issues are and is the main area to address, though we will need a new left back now Garbutt has gone as Kenlock isn't good enough.


and couldn’t keep teams out especially in those tight 0—1 games or 1-4, regardless they are still defeats. There’s room for us to improve defensively, we weren’t that convincing at the back. Agree that in that final third we need to capitalise, but I certainly feel that stems from us leaving Norwood and Jackson isolated. We’re too slow in moving the ball, we aren’t quick enough to get forward in support and with us lacking a target man we aren’t able to gain territory higher up the pitch as it comes straight back.

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We're not that far off on 08:04 - Jun 17 with 2710 viewsChrisd

We're not that far off on 08:02 - Jun 17 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

We didn’t get it done against our promotion rivals because in our games against those above us in the table we scored the following:

1, 2, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0 and 0

We only conceded more than once in 3 of those

Only four teams conceded less goals than us - all of whom had played 1 or 2 games less to boot. Also whilst I’m not a fan of removing certain games to skew figures 25% of the goals we conceded came across 2 games - I suspect if you were to remove every teams 2 worst games we would have the best record in the league

Going forwards meanwhile we had the 11th best record in the league - and that’s after a quick start where we scored 21 of the 46 goals we managed during the 11 game run at the start of the season (25 in 25 from there on out)

But yeah, the defence was definitely the problem


You’re right, the defence is still part of the problem. We lost 12 games. Glad you agree.
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We're not that far off on 09:14 - Jun 17 with 2669 viewsHerbivore

We're not that far off on 07:58 - Jun 17 by StNeotsBlue

Think you're being overly harsh to Kenlock there. Last season he started 8 games in which we conceded 4 goals, lost once ( away at Sunderland) he is more than good enough to hold his own at our current level.


Did you watch him play in those games?

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