| 14 days in jail? 14:09 - Jun 15 with 6163 views | bluelagos |
For taking a p*ss next to a plaque?
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| 14 days in jail? on 15:22 - Jun 15 with 1893 views | footers |
| 14 days in jail? on 15:19 - Jun 15 by Ewan_Oozami |
He probably is, and probably voted for, the "string 'em up brigade" |
"If you don't like our laws, you can leave our country" and so on. |  |
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| 14 days in jail? on 15:36 - Jun 15 with 1853 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| 14 days in jail? on 15:04 - Jun 15 by Herbivore |
As I said earlier in the thread, I think community service would have been more appropriate. But I'm also not going to lose any sleep over a pissed up racist getting harshly done by for acting like the hooligan he is. |
I think your summation is spot on. |  |
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| 14 days in jail? on 16:05 - Jun 15 with 1810 views | Pendejo |
14 days because he handed himself in and pleaded guilty. Would have been harsher had he not done so. |  |
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| 14 days in jail? on 16:22 - Jun 15 with 1790 views | jeera |
| 14 days in jail? on 14:42 - Jun 15 by clive_baker |
He's hardly a threat to society is he? Stupid thing to do, and I don't doubt the bloke is a moron but I would rather he's made to do community service, helping feed the homeless or something. What good is it doing anyone sticking him in prison for a fortnight. |
Maybe it's to protect him from himself.
No, I agree. If he'd deliberately targeted the plaque that would be entirely different and I wouldn't be against a 6 monther.
But no, fine the prick and send him on his way. He's been disgraced nationally as it is and won't be hurrying out to do that again anytime soon. One would hope. |  |
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| 14 days in jail? on 16:26 - Jun 15 with 1778 views | factual_blue |
| 14 days in jail? on 14:43 - Jun 15 by factual_blue |
Outraging public decency is an indictable common law offence which is punishable by unlimited imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine. To be guilty of this offence:
you must carry out an act which is lewd, obscene or of disgusting character, which outrages minimum standards of public decency as assessed by the jury;
the act must take place in a public place, or a place which is accessible to, or within view of, the public;
the act must take place in the actual presence of two or more persons who are capable of seeing it — it is irrelevant whether these people actually saw the act or were outraged by it.
So with fourteen days, he got off lightly. The scope for sentencing suggests it isn't seen as a minor crime. |
My apologies for posting a factually accurate summation of the law.
If you'd like me to, I'll remove my opinion from the end of my post. |  |
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| 14 days in jail? on 16:34 - Jun 15 with 1761 views | jeera |
| 14 days in jail? on 16:26 - Jun 15 by factual_blue |
My apologies for posting a factually accurate summation of the law.
If you'd like me to, I'll remove my opinion from the end of my post. |
I'd be interested to see what happens to those making the monkey gestures.
And also to know if those roaming through Hyde Park have been identified.
They were a real public menace, abusing members of the public like that would potentially carry a hefty penalty you'd think.
If nothing is done, it would mean only the easiest of targets have been addressed. [Post edited 15 Jun 2020 18:07]
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| 14 days in jail? on 17:41 - Jun 15 with 1701 views | factual_blue |
| 14 days in jail? on 16:34 - Jun 15 by jeera |
I'd be interested to see what happens to those making the monkey gestures.
And also to know if those roaming through Hyde Park have been identified.
They were a real public menace, abusing members of the public like that would potentially carry a hefty penalty you'd think.
If nothing is done, it would mean only the easiest of targets have been addressed. [Post edited 15 Jun 2020 18:07]
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The upper limit on penalties is rather lower, but I'd have thought individual sentences would, on average, be higher.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_and_Disorder_Act_1998#Racially_or_religiousl | |
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| 14 days in jail? on 18:07 - Jun 15 with 1683 views | Shawsey |
| 14 days in jail? on 14:27 - Jun 15 by bluelagos |
Guy is a moron (not a crime) easily led (not a crime) p*ssed (not a crime) needed a p'ss (not a crime) took a leek in public (minor crime) and didn't check where he went (stupid / disrespectful / idiotic) and ends up doing jail time?
Similar to the idiot who tried to set fire to the flag at the cenotaph. Yep, police have to act and he deserves punishing. But is jail time really an appropriate punishment? |
If that plaque was in memory of one of your family members, I reckon you might think a little differently. |  | | |
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| 14 days in jail? on 18:28 - Jun 15 with 1656 views | gordon |
This is a good summary.
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| 14 days in jail? on 18:36 - Jun 15 with 1637 views | bluelagos |
| 14 days in jail? on 18:28 - Jun 15 by gordon |
This is a good summary.
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He is very good - and sums it up perfectly imho. | |
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| 14 days in jail? on 18:52 - Jun 15 with 1621 views | mikeybloo88 |
The most surprising thing is that the memorial was still there for him to pee beside... thought the mob from the week before would have trashed it already being as they hate the police and all. I doubt if a "protester" fom the previous Saturday had done similar would any action have been taken...no time for these right wing extremists but it does feel like he's been hung out to dry a bit |  | | |
| 14 days in jail? on 18:52 - Jun 15 with 1618 views | sparks |
| 14 days in jail? on 18:28 - Jun 15 by gordon |
This is a good summary.
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Amongst the sentencing considerations are 1- preventing further crime, 2- punishment, 3- rehabilitation. |  |
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(Sir Terry Pratchett) | | Poll: | Is Fred drunk this morning? |
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| 14 days in jail? on 19:00 - Jun 15 with 1605 views | jeera |
| 14 days in jail? on 18:52 - Jun 15 by mikeybloo88 |
The most surprising thing is that the memorial was still there for him to pee beside... thought the mob from the week before would have trashed it already being as they hate the police and all. I doubt if a "protester" fom the previous Saturday had done similar would any action have been taken...no time for these right wing extremists but it does feel like he's been hung out to dry a bit |
What? | |
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| 14 days in jail? on 19:02 - Jun 15 with 1604 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 14 days in jail? on 18:52 - Jun 15 by sparks |
Amongst the sentencing considerations are 1- preventing further crime, 2- punishment, 3- rehabilitation. |
And we've got a Home Sec who appears to only worry about number 2. Hard to think this wasn't politicisation of the issue. As someone said earlier (Herbs maybe) if this had been any of us on the way home from football we'd have probably got reminded not to waz in public. We wouldn't have ended up in court, let alone jail.
He's obviously a moron, but this is complete overkill. |  |
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| 14 days in jail? on 19:03 - Jun 15 with 1603 views | m14_blue |
| 14 days in jail? on 18:52 - Jun 15 by mikeybloo88 |
The most surprising thing is that the memorial was still there for him to pee beside... thought the mob from the week before would have trashed it already being as they hate the police and all. I doubt if a "protester" fom the previous Saturday had done similar would any action have been taken...no time for these right wing extremists but it does feel like he's been hung out to dry a bit |
Are you implying that black people are treated disproportionately leniently by our police and justice system??
Not sure the facts really tally with that view. | | | |
| 14 days in jail? on 19:03 - Jun 15 with 1604 views | footers |
| 14 days in jail? on 18:52 - Jun 15 by mikeybloo88 |
The most surprising thing is that the memorial was still there for him to pee beside... thought the mob from the week before would have trashed it already being as they hate the police and all. I doubt if a "protester" fom the previous Saturday had done similar would any action have been taken...no time for these right wing extremists but it does feel like he's been hung out to dry a bit |
You've invented a hypothetical situation to be angry at. Very cool.
FWIW, I don't believe PC Palmer was involved in the slave trade either. | |
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| 14 days in jail? on 19:12 - Jun 15 with 1576 views | mikeybloo88 |
| 14 days in jail? on 19:03 - Jun 15 by m14_blue |
Are you implying that black people are treated disproportionately leniently by our police and justice system??
Not sure the facts really tally with that view. |
Not sure I implied that at all...just noting the apparent greater willingness to enforce the law with this incident than seemed to be the case the previous weekend. | | | |
| 14 days in jail? on 19:26 - Jun 15 with 1547 views | BlueBadger |
| 14 days in jail? on 18:52 - Jun 15 by mikeybloo88 |
The most surprising thing is that the memorial was still there for him to pee beside... thought the mob from the week before would have trashed it already being as they hate the police and all. I doubt if a "protester" fom the previous Saturday had done similar would any action have been taken...no time for these right wing extremists but it does feel like he's been hung out to dry a bit |
Careful with these matches around that straw man. |  |
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| 14 days in jail? on 19:56 - Jun 15 with 1500 views | jeera |
| 14 days in jail? on 19:12 - Jun 15 by mikeybloo88 |
Not sure I implied that at all...just noting the apparent greater willingness to enforce the law with this incident than seemed to be the case the previous weekend. |
"no time for these right wing extremists"
Your whole post seems to scream otherwise. | |
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| 14 days in jail? on 20:48 - Jun 15 with 1436 views | Herbivore |
| 14 days in jail? on 19:12 - Jun 15 by mikeybloo88 |
Not sure I implied that at all...just noting the apparent greater willingness to enforce the law with this incident than seemed to be the case the previous weekend. |
That's exactly what you implied, and that makes you an idiot or a bit of a racist or possibly a little of both. |  |
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| 14 days in jail? on 23:18 - Jun 15 with 1361 views | ElderGrizzly |
| 14 days in jail? on 15:03 - Jun 15 by bluelagos |
And the news report states there are mental health issues. Now that could be his brief trying it on, or it could be true.
With no assessment to send him to a prison (if it is true) could be highly detrimental to his welfare and for what? To keep the "String em up" brigade happy? |
What’s interesting is some journalists went with “Football Fan” as his key descriptor.
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| 14 days in jail? on 23:22 - Jun 15 with 1359 views | Sarge |
| 14 days in jail? on 23:18 - Jun 15 by ElderGrizzly |
What’s interesting is some journalists went with “Football Fan” as his key descriptor.
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I don’t think it’s that significant given he presumably went along with the ‘Football Lads Alliance’. Unfortunately they do seem to be football fans along with being thick racist subhumans as evidenced by their cringeworthy chanting whenever they head off on one of their crusades. | | | |
| 14 days in jail? on 01:53 - Jun 16 with 1320 views | Ryorry |
| 14 days in jail? on 15:03 - Jun 15 by Darth_Koont |
What an utter state the UK is getting itself into. Nonsense like this just distracts us from the real crimes and injustices going on.
I'd prefer they addressed the root causes of the far right, as well as the BLM protests, rather than supposedly dealing with unrest by petty law and order posturing. |
Yep -
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/51294/waiting-for-the-barbarians |  |
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| 14 days in jail? on 02:02 - Jun 16 with 1319 views | Ryorry |
| 14 days in jail? on 14:58 - Jun 15 by Swansea_Blue |
Apparently the judge was satisfied there was no intent to deliberately 'target' the memorial.
It seems ridiculously harsh to me however much of an idiot he is. A slap on the wrist and 14 days community service in a immigrant-focussed charity or similar would be a more productive and educational means of rehabilitation. |
Not just harsh, but potentially counterproductive - may cement antagonism towards judicial system, add to his network of other mindless thugs, and certainly further clog up prisons which are already seriously over-crowded with people in for minor crimes. Not to mention that a prison sentence has never, ever been effective as any kind of reform or rehabilitation. | |
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| 14 days in jail? on 08:21 - Jun 16 with 1247 views | mikeybloo88 |
| 14 days in jail? on 20:48 - Jun 15 by Herbivore |
That's exactly what you implied, and that makes you an idiot or a bit of a racist or possibly a little of both. |
I think it is you who may be intellectually challenged if you can't recognise that I was only comparing the way certain incidents were treated differently over these two weekends. No action was taken against people who vandalised public property or who climbed on the cenotaph and burnt the British flag, but yet someone who urinates against a railing is sent to prison within a few days. All thugs clearly were not treated equally in these instances. That is not the same as me saying that black people generally are treated more sympathetically by the justice system as white people...only a fool would think that to be the case and only a fool would think that was my original point. | | | |
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