| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality 15:25 - Jun 17 with 2228 views | jasondozzell |
The game is in crisis and the FA, Prem and EFL gave shown no leadership or appetite to fix the problems.
It's outrageous that the EPL 'product' is about to restart but League 1 and League 2 can't afford to play. Clubs are going to go to the wall and we're going to end up with EPL and (shudder) and EPL 2. Clubs below will have to grub around to enter the 'bigtime' of the EPL2 - stuffed with loan players from the big clubs.
The opportunity is here to fix football but they aren't taking it. There should be a collective decision to funnel funds from EPL to the EFL, serious discussions about wage caps across the board and a discussion about how make football competitive again.
Otherwise the next 20 years like the last 20 will see the same 6 or so clubs win everything. What's the point?
Why shouldn't we, or Forest or Wednesday or Burnley win the league again?
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| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 15:36 - Jun 17 with 2182 views | Keno |
I know what you are saying but to play devils advocate if clubs in league 1 & 2 are that severely financially challenged why should the higher league support them? |  |
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| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 16:19 - Jun 17 with 2126 views | MimicDanJay |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 15:36 - Jun 17 by Keno |
I know what you are saying but to play devils advocate if clubs in league 1 & 2 are that severely financially challenged why should the higher league support them? |
I suppose the the reason they should support them is because it seems to me that it's their fault that the smaller clubs are so financially challenged? The big clubs get more exposure so inevitably takes a portion of fans that would otherwise support their local club. They also have enough resources to entice any young prospects away before having to fairly reimburse the clubs.
It's quite easy to think of each club as a stand alone organisation that needs to run making a profit, but in reality the market they are competing in is geared towards the success of only a few clubs meaning its impossible for a club to be run sustainably whilst not falling down the leagues. There are of course exceptions, but unfortunately these being so few demonstrates just how broken the current structure is.
I think there needs to be some aid for smaller clubs otherwise any club not in the lucky few has a glass ceiling placed above them and the whole thing continues to be just a vanity project for Sky's favourites. |  | | |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 16:28 - Jun 17 with 2106 views | Oldsmoker |
The EFL are the ones who have the resources, knowledge and determination to make Leagues 1 and 2 a success.
Oh wait.
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| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 16:40 - Jun 17 with 2086 views | jasondozzell |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 15:36 - Jun 17 by Keno |
I know what you are saying but to play devils advocate if clubs in league 1 & 2 are that severely financially challenged why should the higher league support them? |
I take your point- clubs in league 1 and 2 also guilty of crazy finances and overspending, but without those clubs the game as we know it does. You're not just losing businesses that have gone bankrupt - you're losing history, tradition, community. Whole regions that depend on clubs for many things, including a sense of identity.
Who will develop players if these clubs go? We're heading towards US style franchise nonsense. | | | |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 16:41 - Jun 17 with 2085 views | jasondozzell |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 16:28 - Jun 17 by Oldsmoker |
The EFL are the ones who have the resources, knowledge and determination to make Leagues 1 and 2 a success.
Oh wait.
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Exactly. Parry made some promising noises but ultimately they've failed. The league 1 squabbling was ridiculous. | | | |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 16:42 - Jun 17 with 2081 views | jasondozzell |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 16:19 - Jun 17 by MimicDanJay |
I suppose the the reason they should support them is because it seems to me that it's their fault that the smaller clubs are so financially challenged? The big clubs get more exposure so inevitably takes a portion of fans that would otherwise support their local club. They also have enough resources to entice any young prospects away before having to fairly reimburse the clubs.
It's quite easy to think of each club as a stand alone organisation that needs to run making a profit, but in reality the market they are competing in is geared towards the success of only a few clubs meaning its impossible for a club to be run sustainably whilst not falling down the leagues. There are of course exceptions, but unfortunately these being so few demonstrates just how broken the current structure is.
I think there needs to be some aid for smaller clubs otherwise any club not in the lucky few has a glass ceiling placed above them and the whole thing continues to be just a vanity project for Sky's favourites. |
Well put. | | | |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 16:58 - Jun 17 with 2041 views | BlueBadger |
Because we're in League One and have Lamebo managing us?
All HILARIOUS jokes aside, the whole thing stinks. If there's one thing this farce is holding up to the world it's that the whole edifice is rotten as f*ck. [Post edited 17 Jun 2020 17:14]
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| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 22:44 - Jun 17 with 1886 views | ArnieM |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 16:40 - Jun 17 by jasondozzell |
I take your point- clubs in league 1 and 2 also guilty of crazy finances and overspending, but without those clubs the game as we know it does. You're not just losing businesses that have gone bankrupt - you're losing history, tradition, community. Whole regions that depend on clubs for many things, including a sense of identity.
Who will develop players if these clubs go? We're heading towards US style franchise nonsense. |
It’s the Pyramid phenomenon isn’t it . The top part will collapse when the bottom part goes.
I think the top 5-6 Clubs in the do called premier league should just did off to the European leagues , and take Sky with them. There’s probably a good few Championship Clubs close to going bankrupt . The game needs a bloody good shake up for its own good . Problem is many younger football fans don’t know anything “ before Sky” . Their money has ruined the game IMO . |  |
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| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 22:53 - Jun 17 with 1878 views | Herbivore |
It's odd that people get so exercised about structural inequality in football but couldn't give a stuff about it in real life where it actually matters. Capitalism gonna capitalism, bro. |  |
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| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 23:06 - Jun 17 with 1857 views | rgp1 |
Very well put, presumably as the furlough scheme dries up we will start to see potentially dozens of clubs from league 1 down start to fold. Lets assume we are not allowed to attend games until at least January, on that basis we could lose half of league 1 teams and most of league 2 and the conference downwards. To make matters worse it could all happen very very quickly. I guess the football authorities will attempt to close the door after the horse has bolted! |  | | |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 00:35 - Jun 18 with 1791 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Like the last 20 years the same 6 or so clubs will continue to win everything?
I guess Leicester (and probably Arsenal, maybe even Chelsea and Man Utd) will be pleased to be among them and Liverpool will be gutted to throw away a seemingly unassailable lead this season.
There is a lot wrong with inequality in football but I do think we have probably the most competitive league in the world. It's not that long ago that Man City and Leicester were playing at the level we are at now. |  |
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| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 01:10 - Jun 18 with 1762 views | jasondozzell |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 22:44 - Jun 17 by ArnieM |
It’s the Pyramid phenomenon isn’t it . The top part will collapse when the bottom part goes.
I think the top 5-6 Clubs in the do called premier league should just did off to the European leagues , and take Sky with them. There’s probably a good few Championship Clubs close to going bankrupt . The game needs a bloody good shake up for its own good . Problem is many younger football fans don’t know anything “ before Sky” . Their money has ruined the game IMO . |
Exactly. They are in danger of killing the goose that laid the golden egg frankly.
Completely agree about the top clubs sodding off. They have no interest in showing solidarity with clubs below them and were demanding bigger share of the TV money. Sky really have ruined the game. | | | |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 01:11 - Jun 18 with 1761 views | jasondozzell |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 22:53 - Jun 17 by Herbivore |
It's odd that people get so exercised about structural inequality in football but couldn't give a stuff about it in real life where it actually matters. Capitalism gonna capitalism, bro. |
Football reflects society. Money has ruined most things sadly. But with such a craven media abby kind of mild democratic socialism just isn't allowed. | | | |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 01:14 - Jun 18 with 1760 views | jasondozzell |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 23:06 - Jun 17 by rgp1 |
Very well put, presumably as the furlough scheme dries up we will start to see potentially dozens of clubs from league 1 down start to fold. Lets assume we are not allowed to attend games until at least January, on that basis we could lose half of league 1 teams and most of league 2 and the conference downwards. To make matters worse it could all happen very very quickly. I guess the football authorities will attempt to close the door after the horse has bolted! |
I think you're absolutely right and it's frightening. There's been no consensus about how to area this impending crisis and save clubs. It's pretty clear many wont survive without gate money. The Prem will look to exploit it too. | | | |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 01:25 - Jun 18 with 1756 views | jasondozzell |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 00:35 - Jun 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Like the last 20 years the same 6 or so clubs will continue to win everything?
I guess Leicester (and probably Arsenal, maybe even Chelsea and Man Utd) will be pleased to be among them and Liverpool will be gutted to throw away a seemingly unassailable lead this season.
There is a lot wrong with inequality in football but I do think we have probably the most competitive league in the world. It's not that long ago that Man City and Leicester were playing at the level we are at now. |
Being marginally more competitive than the other European leagues isn't really enough. Leicester's miracle aside, the gap between the top and bottom teams is now a chasm. It's totally dominated by top 6. They win FA cups and league cups with their reserves basically.
Can you imagine a promoted team winning the league in their first season like we did?
Granted Sheffield United type seasons will happen but those champions league places are sewn up before a ball is kicked. It's now just a game of 6 into 4..
Nothing wrong with dominant sides winning for many years - Liverpool then United etc. But it surely can't be right that the financial gap means no supporter outside that top 6/7 can dream of finishing in the top 4. It's just not going to happen.
The league positions basically mirror finance. | | | |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 10:29 - Jun 18 with 1559 views | Slambo |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 00:35 - Jun 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Like the last 20 years the same 6 or so clubs will continue to win everything?
I guess Leicester (and probably Arsenal, maybe even Chelsea and Man Utd) will be pleased to be among them and Liverpool will be gutted to throw away a seemingly unassailable lead this season.
There is a lot wrong with inequality in football but I do think we have probably the most competitive league in the world. It's not that long ago that Man City and Leicester were playing at the level we are at now. |
More propaganda trotted out by the Premier League. Could be worse chum, could be just the one team winning it every year, like in Germany! But an oligarchy is an oligarchy, be it just the one team or 3-4. Man City - like Chelsea before them - shoved their way to the top bankrolled by literally BILLIONS of pounds from an independent, sovereign nation; Leicester was an anomaly, and i've read articles exposing that it was not well received at PL HQ. It's in the PL's interest that the flagship brands do well in perpetuity - chaos and unpredictability is the life force of entertaining sport, but it int good for business. In the post-covid shake up, the PL right now will be looking to jettison as much dead weight as it can, whilst ensuring their prize assets are kept sweet... |  |
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| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 11:50 - Jun 18 with 1515 views | jasondozzell |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 10:29 - Jun 18 by Slambo |
More propaganda trotted out by the Premier League. Could be worse chum, could be just the one team winning it every year, like in Germany! But an oligarchy is an oligarchy, be it just the one team or 3-4. Man City - like Chelsea before them - shoved their way to the top bankrolled by literally BILLIONS of pounds from an independent, sovereign nation; Leicester was an anomaly, and i've read articles exposing that it was not well received at PL HQ. It's in the PL's interest that the flagship brands do well in perpetuity - chaos and unpredictability is the life force of entertaining sport, but it int good for business. In the post-covid shake up, the PL right now will be looking to jettison as much dead weight as it can, whilst ensuring their prize assets are kept sweet... |
Brilliantly worded! And spot on. The brands that serve then are the top clubs. Look at the super Sunday nonsense. It's just arsenal/ Chelsea/ United/ man city/ liv/spurs games over and over again.
The hype is aggressive marketing. | | | |
| So we're supposed to cheer football being back when in reality on 16:29 - Jun 18 with 1410 views | peterleeblue |
The fact that Leagues 1 and 2 were not completed and the Premier League and Championship are continuing says everything to me.
I have not met another football fan that agrees that 1 and 2 were decided on PPG and that the heavy finance bandied at the top level should have supported the end of the all EFL football. |  | | |
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