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English wine 21:08 - Jun 19 with 4093 viewssparks

Still crap isn't it?

I am familiar with the concept that south east england is at a similar latitude to champagne and chablis, and that it is on the same geological layer with similar chalky soils etc.

I am familiar with the frequently asserted opinion that English wine has come on hugely and is underrated. Also, the received wisdom that you pay for the champagne name, when the cheap stuff really isnt even as good as good english stuff.

But every time I shell out reasonable cash on an English fizz (and I have spent anywhere between £15 and £35) I have been disappointed. An £18 bottle of Nicholas Fuillate champers is invariably better.

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English wine on 21:12 - Jun 19 with 2711 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Uncanny....I was just thinking the same thing.

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English wine on 21:19 - Jun 19 with 2693 viewsBrianTablet

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English wine on 21:23 - Jun 19 with 2693 viewsStokieBlue

I am going to have to disagree on this one.

I find English sparkling excellent and it frequently wins the international blind tasting against the French (Hungarian sparkling is also superb if you like fizz, I enjoyed some earlier). The latitude isn't so much of a factor as climate change which has shifted the climate to similar to what Champagne was like 200-300 year ago I believe.

Hard to go wrong with a Ridgeview, Nyetimber or something from Chapel Down. Other English wine is also rather good as like as you like it minerally and dry. Both Baccus and Flint Dry from Chapel down are well worth a look.

You are certainly right that it's not cheap though due to the smaller quantities produced, it's not a value-for-money purchase when set against French production. It really shouldn't be seen as a cheaper alternative.

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English wine on 21:28 - Jun 19 with 2665 viewscatch74

We’re near Greyfriar’s Vineyard, I’ve taken the staff there for training, very informative.
The sparkling wine they make uses the same process as Champagne - second fermentation in the bottle, yeast frozen and disgorged , bottle aged for a minimum of 18 months (- Prosecco in a VAT and ready to go.) The price, therefore is hard to keep low. I really enjoyed their Blanc de Blanc but not keen on any of their still wines.
Best English sparkling I’ve had is Nyetimber, but you pay for their name a bit now.
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English wine on 21:30 - Jun 19 with 2650 viewsSpruceMoose

English wine on 21:23 - Jun 19 by StokieBlue

I am going to have to disagree on this one.

I find English sparkling excellent and it frequently wins the international blind tasting against the French (Hungarian sparkling is also superb if you like fizz, I enjoyed some earlier). The latitude isn't so much of a factor as climate change which has shifted the climate to similar to what Champagne was like 200-300 year ago I believe.

Hard to go wrong with a Ridgeview, Nyetimber or something from Chapel Down. Other English wine is also rather good as like as you like it minerally and dry. Both Baccus and Flint Dry from Chapel down are well worth a look.

You are certainly right that it's not cheap though due to the smaller quantities produced, it's not a value-for-money purchase when set against French production. It really shouldn't be seen as a cheaper alternative.

SB


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English wine on 21:34 - Jun 19 with 2650 viewsfooters

As others have said, most good English wine is sparkling. But here's the problem: sparkling wine is sh1t and 'champagne' isn't proper wine.

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English wine on 21:35 - Jun 19 with 2632 viewssparks

English wine on 21:28 - Jun 19 by catch74

We’re near Greyfriar’s Vineyard, I’ve taken the staff there for training, very informative.
The sparkling wine they make uses the same process as Champagne - second fermentation in the bottle, yeast frozen and disgorged , bottle aged for a minimum of 18 months (- Prosecco in a VAT and ready to go.) The price, therefore is hard to keep low. I really enjoyed their Blanc de Blanc but not keen on any of their still wines.
Best English sparkling I’ve had is Nyetimber, but you pay for their name a bit now.
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I have had Nyetimber. It was okay. But for me, a disappointment for the price and in comparison to cheaper champagnes.

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English wine on 21:41 - Jun 19 with 2612 viewscatch74

English wine on 21:35 - Jun 19 by sparks

I have had Nyetimber. It was okay. But for me, a disappointment for the price and in comparison to cheaper champagnes.


If you see Greyfriars, give it a go, not saying it will change your opinion but it’s another good English vineyard.

Have you tried blind tastings!?

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English wine on 22:01 - Jun 19 with 2565 viewseireblue

English wine on 21:34 - Jun 19 by footers

As others have said, most good English wine is sparkling. But here's the problem: sparkling wine is sh1t and 'champagne' isn't proper wine.

Come at me.


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English sparkling wine may well be the best bet for U.K. southerners......if you have run out of Gin and also, but not necessarily, tonic.
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English wine on 22:25 - Jun 19 with 2514 viewsIpswichKnight

English wine on 21:41 - Jun 19 by catch74

If you see Greyfriars, give it a go, not saying it will change your opinion but it’s another good English vineyard.

Have you tried blind tastings!?


I can certainly vouch for Greyfiars too, the Pinot Gris is really rather good. Even better it’s less than 3 miles from my house.
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English wine on 22:28 - Jun 19 with 2509 viewsPinewoodblue

Dedham Vale Vinyard, Boxted is worth a visit, once they are open again for tours and tastings. Cost around £30 a head but you get a tour, generous tastings of 4-5 wines plus a good lunch, takes around three hours from start to finish. You can visit their shop before you leave.

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English wine on 22:35 - Jun 19 with 2498 viewsN2_Blue

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English wine on 23:01 - Jun 19 with 2454 viewscatch74

English wine on 22:25 - Jun 19 by IpswichKnight

I can certainly vouch for Greyfiars too, the Pinot Gris is really rather good. Even better it’s less than 3 miles from my house.


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English wine on 08:15 - Jun 20 with 2264 viewsITFC_Forever

You can’t be looking in the right places.

The stuff from Camel Valley (in mid-Cornwall) frequently wins international awards, regularly beating drinks from all the usual places.

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English wine on 08:43 - Jun 20 with 2231 viewsSwansea_Blue

English wine on 21:34 - Jun 19 by footers

As others have said, most good English wine is sparkling. But here's the problem: sparkling wine is sh1t and 'champagne' isn't proper wine.

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English wine on 10:20 - Jun 20 with 2168 viewsTractorboy24

English wine on 08:15 - Jun 20 by ITFC_Forever

You can’t be looking in the right places.

The stuff from Camel Valley (in mid-Cornwall) frequently wins international awards, regularly beating drinks from all the usual places.


I can also vouch for Camel Valley, I’ve made stupidly long trips just for an excuse to go there (was on holiday in Barnstaple and made the drive just for the sake of getting a couple of bottles).

Biggest issue for English wine is the cost, prices put them in fine wine bracket so drinking English wine is only for special occasions when I can afford it.
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English wine on 11:55 - Jun 20 with 2126 viewsITFC_Forever

English wine on 10:20 - Jun 20 by Tractorboy24

I can also vouch for Camel Valley, I’ve made stupidly long trips just for an excuse to go there (was on holiday in Barnstaple and made the drive just for the sake of getting a couple of bottles).

Biggest issue for English wine is the cost, prices put them in fine wine bracket so drinking English wine is only for special occasions when I can afford it.


Camel Valley is less than a mile from the house my Mum grew up in and my Aunt still lives in to this day..... she’s 86, and has lived in that house for 90% of her life.

We used to go on holiday there every year in the 70s and 80s.

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English wine on 13:06 - Jun 20 with 2090 viewseastangliaisblue

Even now in my forties, i find all wine absolutely vile.
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English wine on 13:06 - Jun 20 by eastangliaisblue

Even now in my forties, i find all wine absolutely vile.


What do you enjoy drinking?
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English wine on 14:58 - Jun 20 with 2007 viewseastangliaisblue

English wine on 14:01 - Jun 20 by Libero

What do you enjoy drinking?


Pretty much everything other than wine. I've tried so many times to try and force myself to like it. I just can't, red in particular just tastes like vinegar.
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English wine on 18:37 - Jun 20 with 1913 viewsTractorboy24

English wine on 11:55 - Jun 20 by ITFC_Forever

Camel Valley is less than a mile from the house my Mum grew up in and my Aunt still lives in to this day..... she’s 86, and has lived in that house for 90% of her life.

We used to go on holiday there every year in the 70s and 80s.


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English wine on 20:05 - Jun 20 with 1873 viewsLibero

English wine on 14:58 - Jun 20 by eastangliaisblue

Pretty much everything other than wine. I've tried so many times to try and force myself to like it. I just can't, red in particular just tastes like vinegar.


Can you name some reds you’ve tried?
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English wine on 20:05 - Jun 20 by Libero

Can you name some reds you’ve tried?


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English wine on 20:11 - Jun 20 with 1863 viewsStokieBlue

English wine on 14:58 - Jun 20 by eastangliaisblue

Pretty much everything other than wine. I've tried so many times to try and force myself to like it. I just can't, red in particular just tastes like vinegar.


To say 100% of any food group tastes like something specific with no variety is clearly nonsense.

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English wine on 20:13 - Jun 20 with 1854 viewsSpruceMoose

English wine on 20:11 - Jun 20 by StokieBlue

To say 100% of any food group tastes like something specific with no variety is clearly nonsense.

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