| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party 14:16 - Jun 29 with 4893 views | GlasgowBlue |
who have 21 days to respond. Excluding any leaks, this report will be made public at that time.
The ink isn't even dry on the report and already Labour's Director of Governance and Legal Affairs has stepped down.
I shall update as more comes out. |  |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 19:01 - Jun 29 with 1478 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 18:50 - Jun 29 by Basuco |
Thanks for clearing it up, I was mistaken, no agenda or strong views either way on this. |
No problem mate.
The Tories have an issue with Islamophobia. No doubt. And at some stage the EHRC will have the evidence needed to launch an investigation.
I hope the twitter thread I linked helps give a better understanding to the process. | |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 20:56 - Jun 29 with 1419 views | BlueBadger |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 19:01 - Jun 29 by GlasgowBlue |
No problem mate.
The Tories have an issue with Islamophobia. No doubt. And at some stage the EHRC will have the evidence needed to launch an investigation.
I hope the twitter thread I linked helps give a better understanding to the process. |
Chances are, the Tories will be even more half-arsed about dealing with it than Labour with antisemitism. There's a large Labour base(and base of people who were turned off them by it) appalled by antisemitism. Not so much so with the Tories and Islamophobia, I'd bet. [Post edited 29 Jun 2020 21:23]
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 21:33 - Jun 29 with 1363 views | Seablu |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 20:56 - Jun 29 by BlueBadger |
Chances are, the Tories will be even more half-arsed about dealing with it than Labour with antisemitism. There's a large Labour base(and base of people who were turned off them by it) appalled by antisemitism. Not so much so with the Tories and Islamophobia, I'd bet. [Post edited 29 Jun 2020 21:23]
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Indeed.
There's one or two on here who prove the old adage 'He who shouts loudest'
If our current PM had expressed views similar to his 'letter boxes' outrage towards a slightly different geographical demographic, I fear Larry Tesler's invention might have been unable to cope in the run-up to the last election. |  | | |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 21:44 - Jun 29 with 1359 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 20:56 - Jun 29 by BlueBadger |
Chances are, the Tories will be even more half-arsed about dealing with it than Labour with antisemitism. There's a large Labour base(and base of people who were turned off them by it) appalled by antisemitism. Not so much so with the Tories and Islamophobia, I'd bet. [Post edited 29 Jun 2020 21:23]
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Yeah. There is very much a demographic within the party that are proud to be racist. | |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:05 - Jun 29 with 1347 views | BlueBadger |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 21:44 - Jun 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Yeah. There is very much a demographic within the party that are proud to be racist. |
Would that be the 'people who represent them' and 'the people who vote for them' demographics? [Post edited 29 Jun 2020 22:14]
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:22 - Jun 29 with 1306 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:05 - Jun 29 by BlueBadger |
Would that be the 'people who represent them' and 'the people who vote for them' demographics? [Post edited 29 Jun 2020 22:14]
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Some of the older section of representatives and until recently that would also apply to some of the older people who voted for them. Both seemed to be consigned to the past until Boris and his ilk actively wnet courting their votes and picked up a fair few knuckle draggers who had been floating around UKip. | |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:25 - Jun 29 with 1284 views | footers |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:22 - Jun 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Some of the older section of representatives and until recently that would also apply to some of the older people who voted for them. Both seemed to be consigned to the past until Boris and his ilk actively wnet courting their votes and picked up a fair few knuckle draggers who had been floating around UKip. |
Delusional. |  |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:42 - Jun 29 with 1276 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 17:36 - Jun 29 by lowhouseblue |
yep constructive dismissal claims linked to discrimination with unlimited compensation possible amongst other claims potentially, if they are found to have been institutionally racist. |
In other news Ed Miliband, Margaret Hodge, Nia Griffith, Stella Creasy , Wes Streeting and Sir Keir Starmer have been reported for antisemitism over the sacking of RLB.
Where do they find these nutters? | |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:46 - Jun 29 with 1267 views | BlueBadger |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:42 - Jun 29 by GlasgowBlue |
In other news Ed Miliband, Margaret Hodge, Nia Griffith, Stella Creasy , Wes Streeting and Sir Keir Starmer have been reported for antisemitism over the sacking of RLB.
Where do they find these nutters? |
Would that be the same Ed Miliband who is actually Jewish in that list there?
/edit - I've just read the text. Its essentially one long 'if you're having a go at me for mu bigotry that makes you a bigot too' whinge. [Post edited 29 Jun 2020 22:47]
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:51 - Jun 29 with 1258 views | StokieBlue |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:42 - Jun 29 by GlasgowBlue |
In other news Ed Miliband, Margaret Hodge, Nia Griffith, Stella Creasy , Wes Streeting and Sir Keir Starmer have been reported for antisemitism over the sacking of RLB.
Where do they find these nutters? |
A certain element still more worried about winning the argument than actually opposing and the deposing the Tories.
It's a sad state of affairs across the 3 main parties at the moment.
Also - what on earth is that tagline on the logo?
"Holding Jews collectively responsible for the actions of the state of Israel".
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party (n/t) on 22:53 - Jun 29 with 1241 views | footers |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:42 - Jun 29 by GlasgowBlue |
In other news Ed Miliband, Margaret Hodge, Nia Griffith, Stella Creasy , Wes Streeting and Sir Keir Starmer have been reported for antisemitism over the sacking of RLB.
Where do they find these nutters? |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 00:33 - Jun 30 with 1179 views | Seablu |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:25 - Jun 29 by footers |
Delusional. |
Frighteningly so.
Thankfully his biggest fan club is the one between his ears. [Post edited 30 Jun 2020 0:37]
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 01:45 - Jun 30 with 1162 views | Ryorry |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:51 - Jun 29 by StokieBlue |
A certain element still more worried about winning the argument than actually opposing and the deposing the Tories.
It's a sad state of affairs across the 3 main parties at the moment.
Also - what on earth is that tagline on the logo?
"Holding Jews collectively responsible for the actions of the state of Israel".
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Quite. And "The complainant wishes to remain anonymous" ... |  |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 07:41 - Jun 30 with 1090 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 00:33 - Jun 30 by Seablu |
Frighteningly so.
Thankfully his biggest fan club is the one between his ears. [Post edited 30 Jun 2020 0:37]
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There really is no point viewing your posts. You contribute nothing but insults that are exclusively aimed at me. Yiu contribute nothing else. Your entire existence on here seems to be following me around like a live sick teenager.
Your avatar Was designed for no other reason than to bait me. You were forced by admin to change it twice as each time it contained a racist message. In it’s latter incarnation you even tippexed out the racists message about the slogan.
If I respond to you it only encourages you to continue. If I ignore you then you tend to disappear from the board for a long period of time, as your entire reason for being here Is removed.
For that reason you are now back on the div list. | |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 08:10 - Jun 30 with 1058 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:46 - Jun 29 by BlueBadger |
Would that be the same Ed Miliband who is actually Jewish in that list there?
/edit - I've just read the text. Its essentially one long 'if you're having a go at me for mu bigotry that makes you a bigot too' whinge. [Post edited 29 Jun 2020 22:47]
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You should dip into the RLB for Prime Minister or Jeremy Corbyn should have been Prime Minister Facebook groups. An absolute cesspit of mad antisemitic conspiracies and abuse aimed at Kier Starmer.
“Kier Fastus who sold his souls to the Zionist devils”.
“You can stick my membership right up your fart pipe you Zionist c0cksucker Starmer”
“Starmer is a Jew”.
“He’s an Israeli puppet”.
“Zionist bastard. RLB needs to join with other true socialists (including JC) and form a new party”.
“Shame on him the Israeli and Tory yes man”.
“Zionists are working through Stormer puppet”.
“Bibi Starmer”
“Another Israeli puppet”
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 08:33 - Jun 30 with 1026 views | pointofblue |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:51 - Jun 29 by StokieBlue |
A certain element still more worried about winning the argument than actually opposing and the deposing the Tories.
It's a sad state of affairs across the 3 main parties at the moment.
Also - what on earth is that tagline on the logo?
"Holding Jews collectively responsible for the actions of the state of Israel".
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I think it’s a cut from bullet points outlining the definition of anti-semitism. The rather stupid, ridiculous and idiotic claim against Miliband is trying to use it against him. |  |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 08:54 - Jun 30 with 1007 views | Darth_Koont |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:42 - Jun 29 by GlasgowBlue |
In other news Ed Miliband, Margaret Hodge, Nia Griffith, Stella Creasy , Wes Streeting and Sir Keir Starmer have been reported for antisemitism over the sacking of RLB.
Where do they find these nutters? |
I think there's a semi-serious point behind those complaints. They highlight the utter mess and grey area surrounding the IHRA definition and examples when Israel is brought into it.
By calling Peake's attack against Israel antisemitic it's the accusers who bring Jewishness into the equation. Ditto all those who themselves complained about an anti-Israeli tweet and immediately translated it into an attack on "the Jewish state".
I mean that's if we're trying to police this debate. As the author Kenneth Stern himself said, and many others, it's the exact same problem with abusing the IHRA definition and examples to go on the attack. [Post edited 30 Jun 2020 9:51]
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 09:00 - Jun 30 with 998 views | Darth_Koont |
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You should dip into the RLB for Prime Minister or Jeremy Corbyn should have been Prime Minister Facebook groups. An absolute cesspit of mad antisemitic conspiracies and abuse aimed at Kier Starmer.
“Kier Fastus who sold his souls to the Zionist devils”.
“You can stick my membership right up your fart pipe you Zionist c0cksucker Starmer”
“Starmer is a Jew”.
“He’s an Israeli puppet”.
“Zionist bastard. RLB needs to join with other true socialists (including JC) and form a new party”.
“Shame on him the Israeli and Tory yes man”.
“Zionists are working through Stormer puppet”.
“Bibi Starmer”
“Another Israeli puppet”
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I had a look through and there's some clear antisemitism. "Starmer is a Jew"!!?
Not sure where you and they get the rest of it unless anti-zionism is antisemitism in your world.
Personally I think it's a dodgy ideology in the wrong and more extreme hands. I'd say the same but even stronger about Islamism. I don't think that makes me a racist at all, indeed quite the opposite. | |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 09:04 - Jun 30 with 988 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 08:54 - Jun 30 by Darth_Koont |
I think there's a semi-serious point behind those complaints. They highlight the utter mess and grey area surrounding the IHRA definition and examples when Israel is brought into it.
By calling Peake's attack against Israel antisemitic it's the accusers who bring Jewishness into the equation. Ditto all those who themselves complained about an anti-Israeli tweet and immediately translated it into an attack on "the Jewish state".
I mean that's if we're trying to police this debate. As the author Kenneth Stern himself said, and many others, it's the exact same problem with abusing the IHRA definition and examples to go on the attack. [Post edited 30 Jun 2020 9:51]
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They are indeed a mess. |  |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 09:13 - Jun 30 with 978 views | StokieBlue |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 08:33 - Jun 30 by pointofblue |
I think it’s a cut from bullet points outlining the definition of anti-semitism. The rather stupid, ridiculous and idiotic claim against Miliband is trying to use it against him. |
Ah, I see now.
However the way they have used it there implies the opposite - that they wish to hold Jews collectively responsible for the actions of Israel.
It's been photo-shopped onto the logo for some reason.
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 09:15 - Jun 30 with 973 views | Darth_Koont |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 20:56 - Jun 29 by BlueBadger |
Chances are, the Tories will be even more half-arsed about dealing with it than Labour with antisemitism. There's a large Labour base(and base of people who were turned off them by it) appalled by antisemitism. Not so much so with the Tories and Islamophobia, I'd bet. [Post edited 29 Jun 2020 21:23]
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Eh!? They've already been more "half-arsed". After years of complaints and pressure to take Islamophobia seriously, the Tories own internal review is as limited as they can make it. And, no doubt, designed just to cover their @rses from specific EHRC involvement.
It stops the wider, more documented islamophobia of the party, the government and the PM from being addressed. Which is the opposite of Labour's Chakrabarti Report. | |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 09:25 - Jun 30 with 944 views | Darth_Koont |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 22:46 - Jun 29 by BlueBadger |
Would that be the same Ed Miliband who is actually Jewish in that list there?
/edit - I've just read the text. Its essentially one long 'if you're having a go at me for mu bigotry that makes you a bigot too' whinge. [Post edited 29 Jun 2020 22:47]
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"Would that be the same Ed Miliband who is actually Jewish in that list there?"
Wow! You really haven't been following this issue, have you? | |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 09:33 - Jun 30 with 925 views | pointofblue |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 09:13 - Jun 30 by StokieBlue |
Ah, I see now.
However the way they have used it there implies the opposite - that they wish to hold Jews collectively responsible for the actions of Israel.
It's been photo-shopped onto the logo for some reason.
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I think they’re emphasising that this is how they view the approach from those complaining about Rebecca Long Bailey and Maxine Peake as making an anti-semitic point. After reading Darth Koont’s response about the abuse of IHRA definition I can see where they are coming from; Peake was incorrect to blame the Israeli police for training the American police over the ‘kneel on the neck’ technique but there is a clear difference between the Israeli police and Judaism. It does seem slightly tit-for-tat though. | |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 09:37 - Jun 30 with 911 views | Darth_Koont |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 09:33 - Jun 30 by pointofblue |
I think they’re emphasising that this is how they view the approach from those complaining about Rebecca Long Bailey and Maxine Peake as making an anti-semitic point. After reading Darth Koont’s response about the abuse of IHRA definition I can see where they are coming from; Peake was incorrect to blame the Israeli police for training the American police over the ‘kneel on the neck’ technique but there is a clear difference between the Israeli police and Judaism. It does seem slightly tit-for-tat though. |
Yes re: tit-for-tat and why I think it's semi-serious.
Unfortunately all discussion of IHRA was shut down at the time (indeed screamed down as antisemitic in itself) so these legitimate issues were ignored. | |
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| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 10:01 - Jun 30 with 870 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The EHRC has submitted it's findings to the Labour party on 09:33 - Jun 30 by pointofblue |
I think they’re emphasising that this is how they view the approach from those complaining about Rebecca Long Bailey and Maxine Peake as making an anti-semitic point. After reading Darth Koont’s response about the abuse of IHRA definition I can see where they are coming from; Peake was incorrect to blame the Israeli police for training the American police over the ‘kneel on the neck’ technique but there is a clear difference between the Israeli police and Judaism. It does seem slightly tit-for-tat though. |
As the Labour front bencher in the video I linked (sorry his name escapes me) says, it’s just a continuation of the “Everything bad that happens in the world is the fault of the Jews” trope. Or the “Jews pulling the strings from behind the scenes trope”.
These people just think that blaming Israel for everything bad that happens in the world or accusing Israel of pulling the strings from behind the scenes adds a sheen of respectability to their racism. But their racism is revealed by the very fact that it’s always exclusively the world’s only Jewish state that they continue to apply these conspiracies to.
I mean who sees a racist American cop murder a black man, as Americans have done for centuries, and tries to shoehorn Israel into the conversation? It deflects from the institutional racism in American society and shifts the blame on the Israel. Once again. [Post edited 30 Jun 2020 10:06]
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