| This is scandalous reading 10:41 - Jun 30 with 2986 views | Mullet |
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/jun/30/headteachers-out-of-pocket-and
That anyone can fall through the cracks in a country as rich as ours is bad enough, but to see headteachers put in this position makes me angry.
No one expects perfection in times like these, but to see yet more evidence of leaving it up to the little people and not joining up the response in any way whatsoever. |  |
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| This is scandalous reading on 15:02 - Jun 30 with 786 views | itfc_bucks |
| This is scandalous reading on 14:52 - Jun 30 by sparks |
Sometimes you have to actual credit people with some level of agency, rather than blame the rest of society.
There is a huge amount of education and information available on this subject, at the touch of a button, flick of a remote control, the lifting of a page on a kid's school book etc.
I can fully see the argument that something has failed in getting to that point- but just how much can society do about every aspect of family life? And at what point do you say that people will always make their own choices, often driven by their own propensities and failings, as well as those of the society they live in. |
But it's easier to bung this in the microwave for 10 minutes, till it goes ping.
Beige food... |  | | |
| This is scandalous reading on 15:12 - Jun 30 with 770 views | sparks |
| This is scandalous reading on 15:02 - Jun 30 by itfc_bucks |
But it's easier to bung this in the microwave for 10 minutes, till it goes ping.
Beige food... |
I dont lack education- but still have that temptation whenever it falls to me to sort out dinner... |  |
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| This is scandalous reading on 15:20 - Jun 30 with 758 views | Libero |
| This is scandalous reading on 14:52 - Jun 30 by sparks |
Sometimes you have to actual credit people with some level of agency, rather than blame the rest of society.
There is a huge amount of education and information available on this subject, at the touch of a button, flick of a remote control, the lifting of a page on a kid's school book etc.
I can fully see the argument that something has failed in getting to that point- but just how much can society do about every aspect of family life? And at what point do you say that people will always make their own choices, often driven by their own propensities and failings, as well as those of the society they live in. |
Agreed, but I think I was fairly clear from my description that the parents I am talking about cannot action this for a wide variety of reasons.
You just don't consider those reasons valid as you feel that individuals should be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and seek the information themselves.
It's not a case of society getting into 'every aspect of family life' - it's a case of enabling everyone, regardless of ability.
It's not good enough to simply say "the information's out there" - if it was this wouldn't be quite the issue it is and it certainly wouldn't hold the subtext of being a class issue, which it does.
I guess I just try to look at it a little more sympathetically as the people I've encountered who have this issue really are some of the least well equipped fully functioning adults I have ever seen.
I also think about my own issues in the past with food and diet,
I've been educated to a fair standard and I'd like to think that I'm a relatively bright bloke, yet when I first moved away from home aged 19, I ended up in hospital after 7 months with a giant kidney stone, as without really thinking I was just drinking beer of an evening after work, no water.
I also had an issue in my early 20's where my dietary choices were poor and my job didn't enable me to make regular meals, this led to me putting on an astronomical amount of weight and ballooning to 19 stone, quite a leap from my usual 13.5/14.
On both occasions it took a lot of work to change my behaviors, it wasn't easy at all and even now I have a propensity to over eat if I don't check myself.
Not everyone has the ability to have that kind of introspective look at themselves and their habits and action the required change.
It's a complex issue and it's not as simple as just blaming the government, the food industry and advertising also play a huge part as well as of course individual choices. [Post edited 30 Jun 2020 15:22]
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| This is scandalous reading on 15:25 - Jun 30 with 749 views | sparks |
| This is scandalous reading on 15:20 - Jun 30 by Libero |
Agreed, but I think I was fairly clear from my description that the parents I am talking about cannot action this for a wide variety of reasons.
You just don't consider those reasons valid as you feel that individuals should be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and seek the information themselves.
It's not a case of society getting into 'every aspect of family life' - it's a case of enabling everyone, regardless of ability.
It's not good enough to simply say "the information's out there" - if it was this wouldn't be quite the issue it is and it certainly wouldn't hold the subtext of being a class issue, which it does.
I guess I just try to look at it a little more sympathetically as the people I've encountered who have this issue really are some of the least well equipped fully functioning adults I have ever seen.
I also think about my own issues in the past with food and diet,
I've been educated to a fair standard and I'd like to think that I'm a relatively bright bloke, yet when I first moved away from home aged 19, I ended up in hospital after 7 months with a giant kidney stone, as without really thinking I was just drinking beer of an evening after work, no water.
I also had an issue in my early 20's where my dietary choices were poor and my job didn't enable me to make regular meals, this led to me putting on an astronomical amount of weight and ballooning to 19 stone, quite a leap from my usual 13.5/14.
On both occasions it took a lot of work to change my behaviors, it wasn't easy at all and even now I have a propensity to over eat if I don't check myself.
Not everyone has the ability to have that kind of introspective look at themselves and their habits and action the required change.
It's a complex issue and it's not as simple as just blaming the government, the food industry and advertising also play a huge part as well as of course individual choices. [Post edited 30 Jun 2020 15:22]
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"You just don't consider those reasons valid as you feel that individuals should be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and seek the information themselves. " That is just made up and does not reflect anything I have said or thought.
Of course there are people with such limited capacity to function as most of us do, that they need help and I dont doubt that many dont get as much as they should. | |
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| This is scandalous reading on 15:41 - Jun 30 with 735 views | Libero |
| This is scandalous reading on 15:25 - Jun 30 by sparks |
"You just don't consider those reasons valid as you feel that individuals should be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and seek the information themselves. " That is just made up and does not reflect anything I have said or thought.
Of course there are people with such limited capacity to function as most of us do, that they need help and I dont doubt that many dont get as much as they should. |
I'm sorry if you feel I've misrepresented your views but that's how it's read to me and I'm sure others, you've repeated across the thread that the information is out there and that the owness should be on the individual, I think it's a fair assertion to make.
I think for clarities sake I need to state that the people I'm referring to are not disabled, they are merely poorly equipped adults who are parents but do not have the requisite skills to look after themselves, let alone another person. | | | |
| This is scandalous reading on 15:58 - Jun 30 with 734 views | hampstead_blue |
| This is scandalous reading on 13:57 - Jun 30 by Mullet |
Yes I'm serious. Read the article.
Jamie Oliver handpicking people for a TV show is nothing to do with the massive failings of the government here. Or the indication of their consistent approach to only being interested in praise and votes.
Read it and try again. |
Read Libero's post. He's just made the same point I have.
The parents of today have not, in the whole been taught, or are bothered about learning the skills about running a home on a budget. That's my point which was echoed by Libero.
I'm not poking sticks at families who need food banks, merely pointing out a gap in their knowledge. |  |
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| This is scandalous reading on 16:04 - Jun 30 with 727 views | sparks |
| This is scandalous reading on 15:41 - Jun 30 by Libero |
I'm sorry if you feel I've misrepresented your views but that's how it's read to me and I'm sure others, you've repeated across the thread that the information is out there and that the owness should be on the individual, I think it's a fair assertion to make.
I think for clarities sake I need to state that the people I'm referring to are not disabled, they are merely poorly equipped adults who are parents but do not have the requisite skills to look after themselves, let alone another person. |
I agree entirely that such people exist. Given that the system is not really capable of supporting their parenting, its not surprising they dont get focussed targetted food prep tuition...
They are surely the minority though. The bulk of badly fed kids, are living in homes where parents are capable if they choose. | |
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| This is scandalous reading on 16:07 - Jun 30 with 720 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This is scandalous reading on 12:56 - Jun 30 by sparks |
I dont think more education is needed. People know that endless pizzas are unhealthy, and can find out more about food if they choose to. You can lead a horse to water- but you cant force them down the vegetable isle... |
I reckon there's always a need for education, but I suppose the format is critical. I don't know what we'd call them, but I reckon there's a definite need for programmes or support networks to help more with some of this stuff. I don't know what it looks like, but there is a need. You see this just from some of these reality TV programmes about fit clubs and the like, where people may know some of the things they should be doing but need a good bit of motivation to make changes. I know it myself from things I could be doing better, but may not be totally clear how or lack motivation. |  |
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| This is scandalous reading on 16:09 - Jun 30 with 719 views | Mullet |
| This is scandalous reading on 15:58 - Jun 30 by hampstead_blue |
Read Libero's post. He's just made the same point I have.
The parents of today have not, in the whole been taught, or are bothered about learning the skills about running a home on a budget. That's my point which was echoed by Libero.
I'm not poking sticks at families who need food banks, merely pointing out a gap in their knowledge. |
Then you're both wrong to use it to distract from the point being raised. If your point was right you wouldn't need to act so indignant after taking yet another pot shot at poor people to indulge your political bias.
Did you even read the article or look at the pictures to make that your first takeaway? You keep pleading misunderstood on here which tells its own story.
The government literally changed the rules and went back on their own word and you want to point to an entirely separate debate? Why is that?
I'd be hard pressed to find anyone who denies that malnutrition is in part caused by a lack of education, but that is a symptom of the cause of ghettoising the poor and labelling them in the way you and the Tories love to do. It does nothing to diminish the scandal here.
Let alone "knowing where to shop" when you're reliant on FSM and foodbanks...... | |
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| This is scandalous reading on 16:12 - Jun 30 with 710 views | Libero |
| This is scandalous reading on 15:58 - Jun 30 by hampstead_blue |
Read Libero's post. He's just made the same point I have.
The parents of today have not, in the whole been taught, or are bothered about learning the skills about running a home on a budget. That's my point which was echoed by Libero.
I'm not poking sticks at families who need food banks, merely pointing out a gap in their knowledge. |
Yeah, you've somewhat twisted my point there and cut out various other pertinent factors. | | | |
| This is scandalous reading on 16:14 - Jun 30 with 707 views | Libero |
| This is scandalous reading on 16:04 - Jun 30 by sparks |
I agree entirely that such people exist. Given that the system is not really capable of supporting their parenting, its not surprising they dont get focussed targetted food prep tuition...
They are surely the minority though. The bulk of badly fed kids, are living in homes where parents are capable if they choose. |
In some areas they will be the minority, in others the majority. It's irrelevant really, what's important is that kids don't go hungry and that they receive a nutritious and balanced meal. | | | |
| This is scandalous reading on 16:15 - Jun 30 with 704 views | Libero |
| This is scandalous reading on 16:09 - Jun 30 by Mullet |
Then you're both wrong to use it to distract from the point being raised. If your point was right you wouldn't need to act so indignant after taking yet another pot shot at poor people to indulge your political bias.
Did you even read the article or look at the pictures to make that your first takeaway? You keep pleading misunderstood on here which tells its own story.
The government literally changed the rules and went back on their own word and you want to point to an entirely separate debate? Why is that?
I'd be hard pressed to find anyone who denies that malnutrition is in part caused by a lack of education, but that is a symptom of the cause of ghettoising the poor and labelling them in the way you and the Tories love to do. It does nothing to diminish the scandal here.
Let alone "knowing where to shop" when you're reliant on FSM and foodbanks...... |
He's somewhat misrepresented my views, I'm with you. | | | |
| This is scandalous reading on 17:18 - Jun 30 with 676 views | jeera |
| This is scandalous reading on 15:58 - Jun 30 by hampstead_blue |
Read Libero's post. He's just made the same point I have.
The parents of today have not, in the whole been taught, or are bothered about learning the skills about running a home on a budget. That's my point which was echoed by Libero.
I'm not poking sticks at families who need food banks, merely pointing out a gap in their knowledge. |
You don't do yourself any favours.
The article is about schools struggling to feed kids and the dismay in the government's lack of support in doing so.
There are also clear examples of private companies taking advantage and not providing adequate nutrition for the children nor anything resembling value for money, in an obviously cynical attempt to profit.
(Incidentally wtf is all that plastic about in the image there? What kind of signal does that send out?)
But your first reaction was that "It might be worth shining a light on the parents." |  |
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| This is scandalous reading on 18:21 - Jun 30 with 667 views | Libero |
| This is scandalous reading on 17:18 - Jun 30 by jeera |
You don't do yourself any favours.
The article is about schools struggling to feed kids and the dismay in the government's lack of support in doing so.
There are also clear examples of private companies taking advantage and not providing adequate nutrition for the children nor anything resembling value for money, in an obviously cynical attempt to profit.
(Incidentally wtf is all that plastic about in the image there? What kind of signal does that send out?)
But your first reaction was that "It might be worth shining a light on the parents." |
It’s slightly better than his derogatory comment towards the disabled last week. | | | |
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