| Matt Le Tissier 14:15 - Jun 30 with 2988 views | Theonlywayisup |
New favourite pundit.....finally someone not being a sheep. |  | | |  |
| Matt Le Tissier on 14:17 - Jun 30 with 2513 views | Keno |
Fun fact .....
My Great granddad was best mates with Matt Le Tissiers great granddad |  |
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| Matt Le Tissier on 14:45 - Jun 30 with 2445 views | Herbivore |
What's he said? |  |
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| Matt Le Tissier on 14:49 - Jun 30 with 2432 views | factual_blue |
| Matt Le Tissier on 14:45 - Jun 30 by Herbivore |
What's he said? |
That his great grandfather had some strange friends. |  |
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| Matt Le Tissier on 14:50 - Jun 30 with 2425 views | Herbivore |
Ah okay. Tory voters have been voting to defund the police for a decade now, I'm not sure why it's become so controversial when pushed by people of colour. | |
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| Matt Le Tissier on 18:28 - Jun 30 with 2249 views | The_Last_Baron |
One of my favourite non-Town players. A great man. |  |
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| Matt Le Tissier on 19:38 - Jun 30 with 2175 views | yorkshire |
Just saw the same bs on the FB page (and was then booted from it for telling them to take that crap down)
Just explain to me what offends you by the term "Black Lives Matter" | | | |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:10 - Jun 30 with 2133 views | Herbivore |
| Matt Le Tissier on 19:38 - Jun 30 by yorkshire |
Just saw the same bs on the FB page (and was then booted from it for telling them to take that crap down)
Just explain to me what offends you by the term "Black Lives Matter" |
It's not the term he's taking issue with, it's that the organisation Black Lives Matter is quite radical politically and wants an end to capitalism and to defund (not scrap, but put funding into community projects) the police.
Now I personally don't take issue with that. I'm well up for tearing down our broken capitalist system. However, I think it does put some people off as whilst they might be anti-racist to some degree, they don't yet recognise the fundamental exploitation of a capitalist system that was founded on (or at least expanded through) slavery and continues to exploit people - particularly people of colour - today. It's hard to be genuinely anti-racist whilst being pro-capitalist but the likes of Le Tiss haven't got there yet. [Post edited 30 Jun 2020 20:11]
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| Matt Le Tissier on 20:15 - Jun 30 with 2117 views | footers |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:10 - Jun 30 by Herbivore |
It's not the term he's taking issue with, it's that the organisation Black Lives Matter is quite radical politically and wants an end to capitalism and to defund (not scrap, but put funding into community projects) the police.
Now I personally don't take issue with that. I'm well up for tearing down our broken capitalist system. However, I think it does put some people off as whilst they might be anti-racist to some degree, they don't yet recognise the fundamental exploitation of a capitalist system that was founded on (or at least expanded through) slavery and continues to exploit people - particularly people of colour - today. It's hard to be genuinely anti-racist whilst being pro-capitalist but the likes of Le Tiss haven't got there yet. [Post edited 30 Jun 2020 20:11]
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Excellent post, Herb. My sentimonies exactly. |  |
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| Matt Le Tissier on 20:20 - Jun 30 with 2103 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:10 - Jun 30 by Herbivore |
It's not the term he's taking issue with, it's that the organisation Black Lives Matter is quite radical politically and wants an end to capitalism and to defund (not scrap, but put funding into community projects) the police.
Now I personally don't take issue with that. I'm well up for tearing down our broken capitalist system. However, I think it does put some people off as whilst they might be anti-racist to some degree, they don't yet recognise the fundamental exploitation of a capitalist system that was founded on (or at least expanded through) slavery and continues to exploit people - particularly people of colour - today. It's hard to be genuinely anti-racist whilst being pro-capitalist but the likes of Le Tiss haven't got there yet. [Post edited 30 Jun 2020 20:11]
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Serious question. What's the alternative to the capitalist system, other than communism? |  | | |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:24 - Jun 30 with 2091 views | Herbivore |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:20 - Jun 30 by eastangliaisblue |
Serious question. What's the alternative to the capitalist system, other than communism? |
If you implement a communist or socialist system properly then it's a very viable alternative. The problem is the countries that tried to implement it basically tried to skip capitalism and were more or less still feudal when the revolution came. They missed out on the advances capitalism brings that then enables a successful transition into a communist utopia. It's all about the historical dialectics, my friend. We're really way past due the revolution to be honest. [Post edited 30 Jun 2020 20:32]
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| Matt Le Tissier on 20:24 - Jun 30 with 2092 views | footers |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:20 - Jun 30 by eastangliaisblue |
Serious question. What's the alternative to the capitalist system, other than communism? |
Which is why we've probably got to get our thinking caps on.
"It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism." Think about it.
And in the meantime, you can help to alleviate the ills of modern capitalism by voting for social democratic parties instead of ones transparently mugging you off at every turn :) | |
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| Matt Le Tissier on 20:26 - Jun 30 with 2084 views | lightuser |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:20 - Jun 30 by eastangliaisblue |
Serious question. What's the alternative to the capitalist system, other than communism? |
I think that "they" will say the Nordic, or French economic system... | | | |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:33 - Jun 30 with 2061 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:24 - Jun 30 by footers |
Which is why we've probably got to get our thinking caps on.
"It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism." Think about it.
And in the meantime, you can help to alleviate the ills of modern capitalism by voting for social democratic parties instead of ones transparently mugging you off at every turn :) |
There lays the problem for a lot of people with the BLM movement wanting to smash the capitalist system. How can you get rid of a system with no idea what will replace it.
I have only voted Tory once so like to think i am playing my small part in making the world a better place! | | | |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:33 - Jun 30 with 2055 views | Herbivore |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:26 - Jun 30 by lightuser |
I think that "they" will say the Nordic, or French economic system... |
They are still capitalist, mate. | |
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| Matt Le Tissier on 20:40 - Jun 30 with 2043 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:24 - Jun 30 by Herbivore |
If you implement a communist or socialist system properly then it's a very viable alternative. The problem is the countries that tried to implement it basically tried to skip capitalism and were more or less still feudal when the revolution came. They missed out on the advances capitalism brings that then enables a successful transition into a communist utopia. It's all about the historical dialectics, my friend. We're really way past due the revolution to be honest. [Post edited 30 Jun 2020 20:32]
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At what point does a communist utopia stop becoming a utopia though? I like the thought of everyone being on a level playing field, but can't say i'm into having no free speech and the like.
Are we saying we need to be more like Scandanavian countries? I think they probably have it right over the rest of the world, with the systems we have. | | | |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:47 - Jun 30 with 2015 views | Herbivore |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:40 - Jun 30 by eastangliaisblue |
At what point does a communist utopia stop becoming a utopia though? I like the thought of everyone being on a level playing field, but can't say i'm into having no free speech and the like.
Are we saying we need to be more like Scandanavian countries? I think they probably have it right over the rest of the world, with the systems we have. |
Communism in and of itself doesn't mean no free speech, mate. The Soviet and Chinese regimes were highly authoritarian, but Marx ultimately saw the state as we know it disappearing.
In the meantime something a bit more social democratic would be preferable, with greater investment in social goods and less rampant laissez faire capitalism which only benefits the rich. | |
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| Matt Le Tissier on 20:50 - Jun 30 with 2004 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:47 - Jun 30 by Herbivore |
Communism in and of itself doesn't mean no free speech, mate. The Soviet and Chinese regimes were highly authoritarian, but Marx ultimately saw the state as we know it disappearing.
In the meantime something a bit more social democratic would be preferable, with greater investment in social goods and less rampant laissez faire capitalism which only benefits the rich. |
I know it doesn't mean no free speech, but that's how it tends to end up.
Totally agree with your last statement. Big companies should not be allowed to get away with what they do. | | | |
| Matt Le Tissier on 21:23 - Jun 30 with 1939 views | Herbivore |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:50 - Jun 30 by eastangliaisblue |
I know it doesn't mean no free speech, but that's how it tends to end up.
Totally agree with your last statement. Big companies should not be allowed to get away with what they do. |
But there are reasons why the Soviet Union and China went down the routes they did, none of it inherently related to a communist politico-economic system. Sadly, though, since they are the main examples we have of communist societies (when they really weren't ready to become so) it means people tend to link communism and authoritarianism.
Authoritarianism exists in non-communist countries too though, even if it doesn't always manifest itself in the same way. If you've not seen it yet I highly recommend watching 13th on Netflix, you'll see that authoritarian tendencies are rife even in the so called land of the free, they just target different individual in different ways. That actually brings us nicely back on topic too. | |
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| Matt Le Tissier on 21:27 - Jun 30 with 1926 views | lightuser |
| Matt Le Tissier on 20:33 - Jun 30 by Herbivore |
They are still capitalist, mate. |
But what is the problem with them. They are generally acknowned to be the best that we have (along with the German model)?
"Utopia" is never going to happen. The ebb and flow of too many competing ideologies (and how do you stop the too many sneaky sociopaths/psychopathic c*nts getting into positions of power).
Should "we" make every polititian/manager/boss take a psychogical test before we let them near a position of authority? Many of the bosses/directors/chairman I have known should have been (depending on your inclination towards nature or nuture, aborted or brought up "better"). 😠| | | |
| Matt Le Tissier on 21:31 - Jun 30 with 1913 views | Herbivore |
| Matt Le Tissier on 21:27 - Jun 30 by lightuser |
But what is the problem with them. They are generally acknowned to be the best that we have (along with the German model)?
"Utopia" is never going to happen. The ebb and flow of too many competing ideologies (and how do you stop the too many sneaky sociopaths/psychopathic c*nts getting into positions of power).
Should "we" make every polititian/manager/boss take a psychogical test before we let them near a position of authority? Many of the bosses/directors/chairman I have known should have been (depending on your inclination towards nature or nuture, aborted or brought up "better"). 😠|
They are still founded upon and perpetuate inequality. There are still poor people in Scandi countries and especially in France. France is quite a deeply divided country and not really as egalitarian as you think. In fact the issue of race in France is absolutely huge, they have quite an emboldened far fight and a large BAME community that is economically and socially lagging behind by quite a way. | |
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| Matt Le Tissier on 21:43 - Jun 30 with 1878 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Matt Le Tissier on 21:23 - Jun 30 by Herbivore |
But there are reasons why the Soviet Union and China went down the routes they did, none of it inherently related to a communist politico-economic system. Sadly, though, since they are the main examples we have of communist societies (when they really weren't ready to become so) it means people tend to link communism and authoritarianism.
Authoritarianism exists in non-communist countries too though, even if it doesn't always manifest itself in the same way. If you've not seen it yet I highly recommend watching 13th on Netflix, you'll see that authoritarian tendencies are rife even in the so called land of the free, they just target different individual in different ways. That actually brings us nicely back on topic too. |
Good post with some good points.
Haven't seen 13th yet, but plan to. IMO the States are up there with the worst with authoritarianism. As shown by the subject matter in 13th. The most depressing thing is, I don't see things changing anytime soon. | | | |
| Matt Le Tissier on 22:44 - Jun 30 with 1779 views | lightuser |
| Matt Le Tissier on 21:31 - Jun 30 by Herbivore |
They are still founded upon and perpetuate inequality. There are still poor people in Scandi countries and especially in France. France is quite a deeply divided country and not really as egalitarian as you think. In fact the issue of race in France is absolutely huge, they have quite an emboldened far fight and a large BAME community that is economically and socially lagging behind by quite a way. |
Damn, I knew that I should not have mentioned the Frogs...ðŸ‘
Sorry Herbs, I genuinely forgot about their ex-colonial problems (but at least their police are happy to maim both sides of the community when they riot)...But I disagree with the overall thrust of your argument.
Maybe you have to think how far sociatiies have advanced. Scandi countries are basically ex-viking who badly screwed up the pre-existing western culture and perpetuated slavery and feudalsm for us well into the 13-14th century). But have advanced hugely, especially post ww2 (and obviously the post Marshall Plan, pragmatic German social democratic system).
Maybe, as the years advance, they will move further and further towards what you consider an egalitariann ideal?
As for being poor. There will always be poor people. Even if the opportunity is offered for betterment of self (basically through education). Many of us are too lazy or thick to accept your gift (after all where else are you going to get your cleaners, nannies, plumbers etc...) | | | |
| Matt Le Tissier on 07:32 - Jul 1 with 1587 views | Libero |
| Matt Le Tissier on 22:44 - Jun 30 by lightuser |
Damn, I knew that I should not have mentioned the Frogs...ðŸ‘
Sorry Herbs, I genuinely forgot about their ex-colonial problems (but at least their police are happy to maim both sides of the community when they riot)...But I disagree with the overall thrust of your argument.
Maybe you have to think how far sociatiies have advanced. Scandi countries are basically ex-viking who badly screwed up the pre-existing western culture and perpetuated slavery and feudalsm for us well into the 13-14th century). But have advanced hugely, especially post ww2 (and obviously the post Marshall Plan, pragmatic German social democratic system).
Maybe, as the years advance, they will move further and further towards what you consider an egalitariann ideal?
As for being poor. There will always be poor people. Even if the opportunity is offered for betterment of self (basically through education). Many of us are too lazy or thick to accept your gift (after all where else are you going to get your cleaners, nannies, plumbers etc...) |
Re: your last paragraph, with the exception possibly of cleaner, those are all jobs that require a fair level of education... [Post edited 1 Jul 2020 7:40]
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| Matt Le Tissier on 07:40 - Jul 1 with 1565 views | jeera |
| Matt Le Tissier on 07:32 - Jul 1 by Libero |
Re: your last paragraph, with the exception possibly of cleaner, those are all jobs that require a fair level of education... [Post edited 1 Jul 2020 7:40]
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And there would be an awful lot more dead people right now if it wasn't for cleaning teams around the country putting themselves at considerable risk.
I'm not sure about the condescension of the last para myself, unless I've missed the point.
As for the Communism Vs Capitalist argument, there's middle ground to be sought there too.
And as for the terms Communism/Socialism, you see them used interchangeably yet they still have differing meanings depending on who is using the terms.
Gorbachev felt strongly that local authorities were in a better position to regulate how local resources were best applied and was an advocate of the central government interfering as little as possible in many affairs.
Quite the opposite to one or two other 'Communist' nations in some respects.
*Not aimed at you. It's just easier to shove that into one post and tag onto yours. |  |
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