| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid 07:44 - Jul 5 with 1263 views | WeWereZombies |
But Japan have a more aged population with much lower Covid-19 death rate:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53188847
A lot of interesting questions raised by this article concerning timing of lock downs, 'draconian' measures, testing percentages, common behaviour and how Covid-19 is transmitted. |  |
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| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 08:19 - Jul 5 with 1194 views | Ftnfwest |
Japan’s infection rate is also very low, and while ours is much higher it overall puts us somewhere like 30-35th in the world, whereas death rate is much higher. The slightly odd thing in that article is the bit about people with heart disease, obesity etc being 12 times more likely to die from Covid and yet that’s not thought to explain everything when they have the lowest rate of it in the developed world and we have one of the highest. |  | | |
| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 09:07 - Jul 5 with 1148 views | WeWereZombies |
| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 08:19 - Jul 5 by Ftnfwest |
Japan’s infection rate is also very low, and while ours is much higher it overall puts us somewhere like 30-35th in the world, whereas death rate is much higher. The slightly odd thing in that article is the bit about people with heart disease, obesity etc being 12 times more likely to die from Covid and yet that’s not thought to explain everything when they have the lowest rate of it in the developed world and we have one of the highest. |
I think the incidence of obesity, heart disease and diabetes is only part of the differences that seem to account for Japan's low morbidity and infection rates. Another is Japanese lifestyle being more socially distanced even before the pandemic (despite karaoke) making it more difficult for a virus to spread. | |
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| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 09:10 - Jul 5 with 1145 views | matteoblue |
Interesting, thanks. They also didn't have a lockdown like Britain and the virus was much less severe. I thought lockdowns were necessary to 'beat the virus'? |  |
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| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 09:13 - Jul 5 with 1137 views | Ftnfwest |
| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 09:07 - Jul 5 by WeWereZombies |
I think the incidence of obesity, heart disease and diabetes is only part of the differences that seem to account for Japan's low morbidity and infection rates. Another is Japanese lifestyle being more socially distanced even before the pandemic (despite karaoke) making it more difficult for a virus to spread. |
Maybe so, it’s frightening how many more people at threat from heart disease and obesity we’ve got compared with most other European and developed countries though. | | | |
| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 09:22 - Jul 5 with 1114 views | WeWereZombies |
| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 09:10 - Jul 5 by matteoblue |
Interesting, thanks. They also didn't have a lockdown like Britain and the virus was much less severe. I thought lockdowns were necessary to 'beat the virus'? |
Likewise frequent testing over large percentages of the population. Lifestyle or culture seem to play a bigger part than we have been led to believe - but it is difficult to score political points by attacking the lifestyle of your population, does that deflect you onto ignoring the biggest problem and ranting on about numbers instead? | |
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| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 09:39 - Jul 5 with 1075 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Also mentions a theory of a potential level of immunity. |  |
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| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 09:40 - Jul 5 with 1073 views | matteoblue |
| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 09:22 - Jul 5 by WeWereZombies |
Likewise frequent testing over large percentages of the population. Lifestyle or culture seem to play a bigger part than we have been led to believe - but it is difficult to score political points by attacking the lifestyle of your population, does that deflect you onto ignoring the biggest problem and ranting on about numbers instead? |
How does their testing work? What puzzles me is that so many people don't have symptoms, and even if they do it can be a week after they contracted the virus. So I don't see that that makes much of a difference really. | |
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| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 10:26 - Jul 5 with 1031 views | WeWereZombies |
| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 09:40 - Jul 5 by matteoblue |
How does their testing work? What puzzles me is that so many people don't have symptoms, and even if they do it can be a week after they contracted the virus. So I don't see that that makes much of a difference really. |
The article differentiates between two instances - Softbank testing 40,000 employees and a randomised example of 8,000 in and around Tokyo. Both showed a very low incidence of Covid-19, but it is worth bearing in mind that these tests are new and that, everywhere and not just in Japan, there is a learning curve so we may yet see a lot of adjustment to testing practices that bring things more into focus. | |
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| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 10:34 - Jul 5 with 1022 views | WeWereZombies |
| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 09:13 - Jul 5 by Ftnfwest |
Maybe so, it’s frightening how many more people at threat from heart disease and obesity we’ve got compared with most other European and developed countries though. |
Not just developed countries, although in, financially, poorer nations lower rates of obesity could just be down to scarcity (or fast food outlets being selective in how they market their products) and heart disease not showing up because of lower scope and availability of health resources. And there may be other diseases and ailments that do for people before heart disease etc. get them. | |
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| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 09:03 - Jul 6 with 865 views | BloomBlue |
Japan is interesting because their lockdown was totally voluntary as the law prevents an enforced lockdown, throw in they have one of the oldest populations in the world and some of the mostly densely populated areas plus they had one of the lowest total volumes of testing, based on all the 'experts' and their opinion around lockdown and test test test Japan should have one of the highest death rates in the world.
Maybe Japanese people do have a natural immunity to the virus. |  | | |
| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 18:08 - Jul 6 with 804 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 09:03 - Jul 6 by BloomBlue |
Japan is interesting because their lockdown was totally voluntary as the law prevents an enforced lockdown, throw in they have one of the oldest populations in the world and some of the mostly densely populated areas plus they had one of the lowest total volumes of testing, based on all the 'experts' and their opinion around lockdown and test test test Japan should have one of the highest death rates in the world.
Maybe Japanese people do have a natural immunity to the virus. |
They're more likely to follow advice/protocol or whatever you want to call it. Also more respectful of each other.
You look at the pictures coming out of Tokyo, for example, And they're all wearing masks. Every single person. Maybe they've got some looney anti-mask conspiracy theory nutjobs, but they're not obvious.
They seem really sensible (and it's a great place to visit). Which is odd from a country that gave the world this;
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| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 18:14 - Jul 6 with 796 views | jeera |
| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 18:08 - Jul 6 by Swansea_Blue |
They're more likely to follow advice/protocol or whatever you want to call it. Also more respectful of each other.
You look at the pictures coming out of Tokyo, for example, And they're all wearing masks. Every single person. Maybe they've got some looney anti-mask conspiracy theory nutjobs, but they're not obvious.
They seem really sensible (and it's a great place to visit). Which is odd from a country that gave the world this;
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It's obvious what's going on there.
She has designed a box to protect her from the virus and hired a bear to move her around.
Clever girl. |  |
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| Covid-19 death rate: had been putting our high one down to longevity pre-Covid on 20:05 - Jul 6 with 770 views | bluelagos |
Small insight from a Kobe based expat.
Japan closed its schools very early. Google lessons was adopted in her school and she taught the rest of term online. This was the last week of Feb.
The Japanese did lockdown, the article imlplies they didnt due to the lack of legal lockdown. As a society, the Japanese are very compliant so simply there was no need for legal enforcement. The govt advised businesses to close and they closed.
So the implication that Japan didnt lockdown simply isnt true (as per someone who has lived their for past 12 months). They also pretty much closed the borders too, I know my friend has pupils who were outside Japan and could not travel back. |  |
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