| Cancel culture 08:25 - Jul 8 with 20168 views | hampstead_blue |
Interesting and good that people with a voice are standing up to this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53330105
A lawyer on Today even floated the idea of cancelling ALL historical statues, paintings, and physical memorials because 'standards change and people whom today seem great may be hiding dark secrets'
Bonkers.
Am all for free speech. Owen Jones and his cabal can scream "offence" until their lungs turn inside out. Makes my blood boil if you hadn't guessed. |  |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Cancel culture on 09:25 - Jul 8 with 1103 views | WeWereZombies |
| Cancel culture on 09:21 - Jul 8 by Dyland |
Polarisation is the enemy of wishy washy unwashed hippy yoghurt eating thought. I.e. no, don't pick a side. |
What an ingenious way of sitting on the fence in readiness to hop off onto the winning side... |  |
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| Cancel culture on 09:26 - Jul 8 with 1099 views | Bobbychase |
| Cancel culture on 09:08 - Jul 8 by WeWereZombies |
May I put the same question to you that I put to Hampstead? Can you flesh out your objections a bit more? |
That's the problem with this debate overall. People talk about JK Rowling being a bigot, but nobody can pinpoint a quote.
Almost like reasoned debate is dead. |  |
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| Cancel culture on 09:26 - Jul 8 with 1098 views | footers |
| Cancel culture on 09:25 - Jul 8 by WeWereZombies |
What an ingenious way of sitting on the fence in readiness to hop off onto the winning side... |
Probably buys half-and-half scarves too...
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| Cancel culture on 09:27 - Jul 8 with 1092 views | JakeITFC |
| Cancel culture on 09:22 - Jul 8 by Bobbychase |
Have you ever checked out the Twitter replies to Rowling's tweets? They're full of joyful things like threats to rape her or assault her, or wishes that she gets cancer and dies.
But yeah, she's harmful. |
Not sure what the point is you're trying to make there. |  | | |
| Cancel culture on 09:28 - Jul 8 with 1082 views | mrshallisfit |
Thing is. There are deeper and more serious injustices going on in the world at present then should we keep or take down statues. Save your blood boiling for them. I'll give you a starter for ten. 1. Our present 'leader' scapegoating care home workers. Weasley and morally bankrupt. |  | | |
| Cancel culture on 09:28 - Jul 8 with 1074 views | Herbivore |
| Cancel culture on 09:08 - Jul 8 by WeWereZombies |
May I put the same question to you that I put to Hampstead? Can you flesh out your objections a bit more? |
Yes, I can. |  |
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| How very cynical old boy on 09:30 - Jul 8 with 1066 views | Dyland |
| Cancel culture on 09:25 - Jul 8 by WeWereZombies |
What an ingenious way of sitting on the fence in readiness to hop off onto the winning side... |
I will be forever on the fence, looking up rather than down, and ignoring the baying proles and pompous pseuds in both dingy gardens. |  |
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| Cancel culture on 09:31 - Jul 8 with 1055 views | Herbivore |
| Cancel culture on 09:22 - Jul 8 by Bobbychase |
Have you ever checked out the Twitter replies to Rowling's tweets? They're full of joyful things like threats to rape her or assault her, or wishes that she gets cancer and dies.
But yeah, she's harmful. |
You do realise that it is possobke for what she says to be harmful whilst also not condoning people making threats of rape and violence against her? This is such a piss weak argument that is utterly typical of our times. | |
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| Cancel culture on 09:31 - Jul 8 with 1052 views | Bobbychase |
| Cancel culture on 08:46 - Jul 8 by TractorWood |
I'm in favour of US levels of free speech. People should be able to say whatever they like but being challenged for making stupid statements would become more important than ever! Exactly like the Rowling debate.
The right to say something that is contextually stupid is very important. See Hong Kong. [Post edited 8 Jul 2020 8:47]
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Agreed. But who decides what is stupid?
That's where the danger lies. | |
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| Cancel culture on 09:32 - Jul 8 with 1043 views | WeWereZombies |
| Cancel culture on 09:28 - Jul 8 by Herbivore |
Yes, I can. |
Marvellous, may I ask you to do so? | |
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| Cancel culture on 09:33 - Jul 8 with 1040 views | Bobbychase |
| Cancel culture on 09:31 - Jul 8 by Herbivore |
You do realise that it is possobke for what she says to be harmful whilst also not condoning people making threats of rape and violence against her? This is such a piss weak argument that is utterly typical of our times. |
What did she say that was harmful? Specifically? As far as I can tell, the latest row came about because she objected to the term "people who menstruate" and said the term "women" should have been used.
And then she gets rape threats etc.
And the debate focuses on how SHE is the hateful one.
Which for me is a piss weak argument that is utterly typical of our times. | |
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| how fooking dare you on 09:33 - Jul 8 with 1036 views | Dyland |
| Cancel culture on 09:26 - Jul 8 by footers |
Probably buys half-and-half scarves too...
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As if I wear scarves ffs. | |
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| free speech innit bruv on 09:34 - Jul 8 with 1031 views | footers |
| how fooking dare you on 09:33 - Jul 8 by Dyland |
As if I wear scarves ffs. |
Cancel me :) | |
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| free speech innit bruv on 09:35 - Jul 8 with 1018 views | Dyland |
| free speech innit bruv on 09:34 - Jul 8 by footers |
Cancel me :) |
Back on point innit. Nope, I don't like this cancel biz. Unless it's anything said by anyone else. | |
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| Cancel culture on 09:39 - Jul 8 with 996 views | hampstead_blue |
| Cancel culture on 09:08 - Jul 8 by WeWereZombies |
May I put the same question to you that I put to Hampstead? Can you flesh out your objections a bit more? |
Love that. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Cancel culture on 09:39 - Jul 8 with 997 views | JakeITFC |
| Cancel culture on 09:33 - Jul 8 by Bobbychase |
What did she say that was harmful? Specifically? As far as I can tell, the latest row came about because she objected to the term "people who menstruate" and said the term "women" should have been used.
And then she gets rape threats etc.
And the debate focuses on how SHE is the hateful one.
Which for me is a piss weak argument that is utterly typical of our times. |
What she said that is harmful is that safe spaces for women are no longer safe if you let trans-women in.
This is offensive because:
1) you are denying the rights of trans-people
AND/OR
2) saying that some trans-people are using this conversion as a way to get at women.
Point 1 on it's own isn't necessarily that uncommon - lots of people in this thread have shown reservations around this topic and are probably still in the men = men, women = women camp because that has been what we've grown up with and lived with. It will take time to change these opinions.
Point 2 is a problem. It isn't too dissimilar to the old homophobic trope of gay people being bundled in with paedophiles, and is basically (imo) somebody holding opinion 1 and trying to justify it in an outlandish way. Rowling is going further down that rabbit hole now with her opinions on conversion therapy. | | | |
| Cancel culture on 09:40 - Jul 8 with 996 views | Bobbychase |
| Cancel culture on 08:54 - Jul 8 by hampstead_blue |
Herbivore would down vote and reply with negativity regardless of what I post. He's some kind of perverted affliction to it.
I've not read Rowling's piece on transgender.
My views on transgender are that people can be whom they want. I've no problem if someone wants to change their gender. I have issues with what I hear about the Tavistock clinic but that's another thing.
My support is for the principle of free speech and this quite worrying rise of the 'offended'.
I've recently read 1984 and feel that creep of deleting history and it's reminders coming into society. |
Anyone who doesn't feel a sort of 1984-style dread hasn't been watching the news recently to be fair. | |
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| Cancel culture on 09:42 - Jul 8 with 988 views | hampstead_blue |
| Cancel culture on 09:23 - Jul 8 by Mullet |
Why have you called out Owen Jones and his "cabal" here? The contradiction is bizarre to say the least. |
He's one of those who smugly lead this whole woke and cancel culture. That's the only reason. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Cancel culture on 09:42 - Jul 8 with 984 views | Herbivore |
| Cancel culture on 09:33 - Jul 8 by Bobbychase |
What did she say that was harmful? Specifically? As far as I can tell, the latest row came about because she objected to the term "people who menstruate" and said the term "women" should have been used.
And then she gets rape threats etc.
And the debate focuses on how SHE is the hateful one.
Which for me is a piss weak argument that is utterly typical of our times. |
Nobody. Is. Condoning. Threats. To. Rape. Or. Harm. J.K. Rowling.
She has a history of taking views that are transphobic, some of which has been explained by Jake earlier in this thread. She has a big platform and I imagine some of the audience she can reach includes young people who may be questioning their gender identity. It is right that her views are challenged. It is not right that people make threats against her for holding those views. This isn't hard. | |
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| Cancel culture on 09:43 - Jul 8 with 974 views | Herbivore |
| Cancel culture on 09:32 - Jul 8 by WeWereZombies |
Marvellous, may I ask you to do so? |
You may, yes. | |
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| Cancel culture on 09:44 - Jul 8 with 966 views | Herbivore |
| Cancel culture on 09:40 - Jul 8 by Bobbychase |
Anyone who doesn't feel a sort of 1984-style dread hasn't been watching the news recently to be fair. |
Though the 1984 style threat isn't coming from where Hampstead thinks it is. | |
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| Cancel culture on 09:44 - Jul 8 with 960 views | Bobbychase |
| Cancel culture on 09:39 - Jul 8 by JakeITFC |
What she said that is harmful is that safe spaces for women are no longer safe if you let trans-women in.
This is offensive because:
1) you are denying the rights of trans-people
AND/OR
2) saying that some trans-people are using this conversion as a way to get at women.
Point 1 on it's own isn't necessarily that uncommon - lots of people in this thread have shown reservations around this topic and are probably still in the men = men, women = women camp because that has been what we've grown up with and lived with. It will take time to change these opinions.
Point 2 is a problem. It isn't too dissimilar to the old homophobic trope of gay people being bundled in with paedophiles, and is basically (imo) somebody holding opinion 1 and trying to justify it in an outlandish way. Rowling is going further down that rabbit hole now with her opinions on conversion therapy. |
So if there were cases of men who had transitioned to get into women's prisons for the purposes of assaulting them, would that make point number two invalid? Or at least challenge it?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and
I don't think Rowling said all safe spaces are no longer safe. Her point was that there is a danger some might not be. | |
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| Cancel culture on 09:44 - Jul 8 with 961 views | Herbivore |
| Cancel culture on 09:42 - Jul 8 by hampstead_blue |
He's one of those who smugly lead this whole woke and cancel culture. That's the only reason. |
Christ you're a div. A total, total div. | |
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| Cancel culture on 09:45 - Jul 8 with 953 views | LankHenners |
| Cancel culture on 09:33 - Jul 8 by Bobbychase |
What did she say that was harmful? Specifically? As far as I can tell, the latest row came about because she objected to the term "people who menstruate" and said the term "women" should have been used.
And then she gets rape threats etc.
And the debate focuses on how SHE is the hateful one.
Which for me is a piss weak argument that is utterly typical of our times. |
What she said that was harmful has already been explained in this thread.
Further to that, she decided to start a pile-on on some random guy on Twitter when they pointed out she had liked a (factually inaccurate) tweet about gender transitioning being like gay conversion therapy. This random guy then started getting threats to the extent that they were terrified to pick up the phone when their mum rang them as they feared she’d been targeted by the people abusing him.
Like many celebrities, she’s an insane narcissist who thinks her view is king and who has never once listened to anyone putting across a reasoned opposing view, instead accusing everyone of ‘trolling’ her and being misogynist.
No one condones the threats of violence against her so stop hiding behind that as a reason to not engage with anything else. |  |
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