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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia 15:27 - Jul 10 with 2319 viewsStokieBlue

A depressing read and unfortunately something which seems to be succeeding in the area:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/10/genocide-denial-gains-ground-25-ye

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 16:06 - Jul 10 with 2034 viewsmidastouch

The photo of the memorial is very moving.

The BBC documentary "The Death Of Yugoslavia" is worth a watch.
Six parts in all.


* The Death Of Yugoslavia 1/6 Enter Nationalism - BBC Documentary
* The Death Of Yugoslavia 2/6 The Road to War - BBC Documentary
* The Death Of Yugoslavia 3/6 Wars Of Independence - BBC Documentary
* The Death Of Yugoslavia 4/6 The Gates Of Hell BBC Documentary
* The Death Of Yugoslavia 5/6 A Safe Area - BBC Documentary
* The Death Of Yugoslavia 6/6 Pax Americana - BBC Documentary

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 16:18 - Jul 10 with 2020 viewseastangliaisblue

I visited Bosnia around five years ago. I was very surprised to bump into British squaddies on patrol as peacekeepers. Old tensions still very much tense it seems.
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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 20:34 - Jul 10 with 1904 viewseastangliaisblue

For anyone interested I was just looking through Sky TV guide. On History channel at 9 Secret Wars Uncovered: Bosnia.
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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 08:39 - Jul 11 with 1805 viewsPinewoodblue

You might want to think twice before following this link. Contains reports from two survivors.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/survivors-recount-bosnia-srebrenica-genoc

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 09:31 - Jul 11 with 1765 viewsGlasgowBlue

Depressing.

I’ve seen it said on here recently that talking about genocide and racism from the past is a good way to deflect from denying systematic racism in 2020.

But the fact that in our lifetimes and the lifetimes of our parents we have seen so called civilised Western countries commit genocides such as the Holocaust and Srebrenica should be a lesson that it can easily happen again.

Denial, imo, is unforgivable.

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 11:45 - Jul 11 with 1708 viewsElephantintheRoom

I dont think you'll find much admission of responsibility for the deliberate culling of tens of thousands of old and vulnerable people, rather more recently, a bit closer to home either.

Nor much guilt from the 42% of the electorate that voted in a bunch of incompetent chancers whos irrational idiocy has cost so many lives - and will continue to do so for many years after they have gone.

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 11:50 - Jul 11 with 1703 viewsStokieBlue

Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 11:45 - Jul 11 by ElephantintheRoom

I dont think you'll find much admission of responsibility for the deliberate culling of tens of thousands of old and vulnerable people, rather more recently, a bit closer to home either.

Nor much guilt from the 42% of the electorate that voted in a bunch of incompetent chancers whos irrational idiocy has cost so many lives - and will continue to do so for many years after they have gone.


Not entirely sure how your trolling is still allowed on here to be honest.

I could address the post but it's not relevant to this thread. Perhaps you can start another with your points clearly outlined on how there is a definite equivalence?

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 12:52 - Jul 11 with 1657 viewsGlasgowBlue

Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 11:45 - Jul 11 by ElephantintheRoom

I dont think you'll find much admission of responsibility for the deliberate culling of tens of thousands of old and vulnerable people, rather more recently, a bit closer to home either.

Nor much guilt from the 42% of the electorate that voted in a bunch of incompetent chancers whos irrational idiocy has cost so many lives - and will continue to do so for many years after they have gone.


Jesus Christ. Completely lack of class from you again.

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 13:40 - Jul 11 with 1627 viewsSteve_M

Yes, and against a backdrop of renewed nationalism it can happen far too easily. The last line of that piece is the crux there.

This from James Bloodworth on the UK’s failings is worth reading too:

https://unherd.com/2020/07/britains-shameful-role-in-srebrenica/

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 14:18 - Jul 11 with 1610 viewsSteve_M


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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 14:23 - Jul 11 with 1604 viewseastangliaisblue

Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 14:18 - Jul 11 by Steve_M



That's very sobering. The Bosnian people are very hospitable. My second night there me and the family were invited to a complete strangers house for food. The first thing they did was made us traditional coffee. That picture is so sad.
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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 15:55 - Jul 11 with 1538 viewsMullet

Bosnia remains one of my favourite places. Absolutely beautiful and amazing people.

Yet in a few places and social situations the prejudices and scars were openly discussed and it was quite shocking and uncomfortable as outsiders. The only parallel I can think of is listening to a plastic SYL type.

But the difference is they were killing each other and the men telling me saw it all themselves as young lads. Their disdain for other groups was rooted in experience and that was far harder to comprehend.

I saw a fascinating article about Milosevic's wife recently and how she was a "Lady MacBeth" type first wife and one of the most brutal and bloodthirsty in her own right, I'll try and find it if I can.

The few Dutch people I know who have posted about Srebrenica also hold some fascinating views on it.

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 16:05 - Jul 11 with 1520 viewsgtsb1966

On this subject if you've never seen this film it really is worth watching. It's a tad brutal in parts but very good.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120070/
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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 17:14 - Jul 11 with 1481 viewseastangliaisblue

Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 15:55 - Jul 11 by Mullet

Bosnia remains one of my favourite places. Absolutely beautiful and amazing people.

Yet in a few places and social situations the prejudices and scars were openly discussed and it was quite shocking and uncomfortable as outsiders. The only parallel I can think of is listening to a plastic SYL type.

But the difference is they were killing each other and the men telling me saw it all themselves as young lads. Their disdain for other groups was rooted in experience and that was far harder to comprehend.

I saw a fascinating article about Milosevic's wife recently and how she was a "Lady MacBeth" type first wife and one of the most brutal and bloodthirsty in her own right, I'll try and find it if I can.

The few Dutch people I know who have posted about Srebrenica also hold some fascinating views on it.


Was it Srebrenica the Dutch were driven out of, by Serb forces?

The Bosnian hosts we were with went a bit quiet when we we mentioned the war, so we quickly changed the subject.

It is a beautuful country isn't it? The scenery is just breath taking. I absolutely loved Mostar and Sarajevo.
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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 17:26 - Jul 11 with 1456 viewsGlasgowBlue

Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 14:18 - Jul 11 by Steve_M



Shameful that we dithered and delayed before going in. See also Syria in 2013.

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 18:11 - Jul 11 with 1427 viewseastangliaisblue

Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 17:26 - Jul 11 by GlasgowBlue

Shameful that we dithered and delayed before going in. See also Syria in 2013.


To begin with we were on the side of the Serbs. We had a pretty good relationship with the Yugoslav regime before the split. The government wanted to carry that on with the Serbs, who in effect were the Yugoslav regime.
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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 19:38 - Jul 11 with 1382 viewsMullet

Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 17:14 - Jul 11 by eastangliaisblue

Was it Srebrenica the Dutch were driven out of, by Serb forces?

The Bosnian hosts we were with went a bit quiet when we we mentioned the war, so we quickly changed the subject.

It is a beautuful country isn't it? The scenery is just breath taking. I absolutely loved Mostar and Sarajevo.
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Yep both beautiful cities, as is the countryside between it. We stayed on the border with Montenegro and went into the national park where the Partisans fought the Nazis in ancient woodland. The country is steeped in amazing history, the synagogue the Ottamans built for the local population and the Olympic Park fascinated me.

As for the Dutch role it's highly controversial so I'll not add any opinion

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49042372
https://balkaninsight.com/2019/08/08/it-was-hell-dutch-troops-recall-failure-to-

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 19:51 - Jul 11 with 1372 viewsSpruceMoose

Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 11:50 - Jul 11 by StokieBlue

Not entirely sure how your trolling is still allowed on here to be honest.

I could address the post but it's not relevant to this thread. Perhaps you can start another with your points clearly outlined on how there is a definite equivalence?

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He wrote a shïtty football blog and somehow that let's you get away with anything apparently.

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 10:06 - Jul 15 with 1164 viewsWeWereZombies

The Storyville 'Trial of Ratko Mladic has just come back onto the iPlayer for another four weeks. I found it to be educating and sobering:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0003vj3/storyville-the-trial-of-ratko-mla

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 10:18 - Jul 15 with 1151 viewsmidastouch

Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 10:06 - Jul 15 by WeWereZombies

The Storyville 'Trial of Ratko Mladic has just come back onto the iPlayer for another four weeks. I found it to be educating and sobering:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0003vj3/storyville-the-trial-of-ratko-mla


I've watched that before. As you said, very educating and sobering. I remember the first guy called to give evidence. What an ordeal it must have been for him under that sort of intense pressure and scrutiny.

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 10:20 - Jul 15 with 1148 viewsmidastouch

Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 10:18 - Jul 15 by midastouch

I've watched that before. As you said, very educating and sobering. I remember the first guy called to give evidence. What an ordeal it must have been for him under that sort of intense pressure and scrutiny.


I do love the Storyville documentaries on BBC iPlayer. The OJ Simpson one (5 parts) is well worth a watch. And the one on Jonestown too. I've enjoyed most of those.

Here are the links:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08qldhs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000d27r

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 10:20 - Jul 15 by midastouch

I do love the Storyville documentaries on BBC iPlayer. The OJ Simpson one (5 parts) is well worth a watch. And the one on Jonestown too. I've enjoyed most of those.

Here are the links:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08qldhs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000d27r


Same here, the Jonestown massacre episode is really good.
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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 10:31 - Jul 15 with 1136 viewsSteve_M

Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 10:27 - Jul 15 by eastangliaisblue

Same here, the Jonestown massacre episode is really good.


Yes, Storyville feels like something from an earlier TV age. Intelligent, thought-provoking and in depth documentary film-making.

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 10:43 - Jul 15 with 1113 viewsWeWereZombies

Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 10:20 - Jul 15 by midastouch

I do love the Storyville documentaries on BBC iPlayer. The OJ Simpson one (5 parts) is well worth a watch. And the one on Jonestown too. I've enjoyed most of those.

Here are the links:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08qldhs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000d27r


I had seen the Ratko Mladic a few weeks ago , I finished watching the one on The Black Panthers earlier this morning. After seeing the 'Arena' programme 'I Am Not Your Negro' (which only has five and a half days left on the iPlayer now) and the films 'Selma' and 'Suburbicon' recently that has added to my knowledge of why the reforms made to the law in the United States back in the Sixties have not been as beneficial as they should have been. That OJ Simpson series has a bearing on this too.

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Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 11:08 - Jul 15 with 1098 viewsSeablu

Systematic genocide denial taking place in Serbia on 10:20 - Jul 15 by midastouch

I do love the Storyville documentaries on BBC iPlayer. The OJ Simpson one (5 parts) is well worth a watch. And the one on Jonestown too. I've enjoyed most of those.

Here are the links:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08qldhs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000d27r


The Storyville documentaries are very good.
I'm sure they'll spoil it soon by shoehorning Stacy Dooley into them somehow.
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