| The joke of the PRP free hit 14:37 - Jul 11 with 1757 views | Bluefish |
and shame on everyone that ever said it.
He was appointed in October and I think we were 5 points from safety.
Pearson was appointed in December and 7 points from safety. Pearson didn't go for a free hit at the shambles that was Watford, he had belief and sorted the team out and stayed up comfortably
F**King free hit indeed. The bloke was made bigger than the club and the mess got worse. [Post edited 11 Jul 2020 15:02]
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 14:41 - Jul 11 with 1399 views | Shawsey |
No manager worth his salt, would consider any situation as a free hit. Disaster since day one. |  | | |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 14:50 - Jul 11 with 1372 views | Stenvict |
Whilst Lambert has done a terrible job here, the damage was already done in the summer when all our best players were allowed to leave and replaced by poor lower league players. Watford got to the FA Cup final and stayed up comfortably last season. They had enough quality to stay up, we didn't. |  |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 15:25 - Jul 11 with 1275 views | SitfcB |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 14:50 - Jul 11 by Stenvict |
Whilst Lambert has done a terrible job here, the damage was already done in the summer when all our best players were allowed to leave and replaced by poor lower league players. Watford got to the FA Cup final and stayed up comfortably last season. They had enough quality to stay up, we didn't. |
Brainwashed. |  |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 15:52 - Jul 11 with 1241 views | Stenvict |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 15:25 - Jul 11 by SitfcB |
Brainwashed. |
Lol I want Lambert out and think he really has ruined us this season. This season is ENTIRELY his fault. From rotation to postponing games. Our squad this season was very good for League 1, it was awful for the Championship though, and that was Hursts fault. | |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 16:11 - Jul 11 with 1210 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 15:25 - Jul 11 by SitfcB |
Brainwashed. |
He’s not said anything that was incorrect though? |  |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 16:13 - Jul 11 with 1203 views | m14_blue |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 15:25 - Jul 11 by SitfcB |
Brainwashed. |
Which part did you disagree with? | | | |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 16:17 - Jul 11 with 1195 views | Bluefish |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 16:11 - Jul 11 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
He’s not said anything that was incorrect though? |
We had enough to stay up and then in January we spent hugely on loanees. We just didn't have a capable manager. Nonway in the world that Mick or Warnock or Pearson or many others would have taken us down | |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 17:45 - Jul 11 with 1128 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 16:17 - Jul 11 by Bluefish |
We had enough to stay up and then in January we spent hugely on loanees. We just didn't have a capable manager. Nonway in the world that Mick or Warnock or Pearson or many others would have taken us down |
We didn’t have enough to stay up, we couldn’t attract enough to stay up.
Financially we weren’t competitive in the Championship, we could only attract the players others didn’t want.
The squad wasn’t good enough for the Championship. You finish where deserve to. [Post edited 11 Jul 2020 17:46]
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 17:58 - Jul 11 with 1093 views | Bluefish |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 17:45 - Jul 11 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
We didn’t have enough to stay up, we couldn’t attract enough to stay up.
Financially we weren’t competitive in the Championship, we could only attract the players others didn’t want.
The squad wasn’t good enough for the Championship. You finish where deserve to. [Post edited 11 Jul 2020 17:46]
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Mick must have been a magician after all | |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 17:59 - Jul 11 with 1090 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 17:45 - Jul 11 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
We didn’t have enough to stay up, we couldn’t attract enough to stay up.
Financially we weren’t competitive in the Championship, we could only attract the players others didn’t want.
The squad wasn’t good enough for the Championship. You finish where deserve to. [Post edited 11 Jul 2020 17:46]
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Our arrivals in January cost a fortune and the idea that players wouldn’t come to us is rubbish - as illustrated by the 7 signings we made. In fact, 6 of those signings were through the door within 2 weeks - that’s the sign of identifying and signings targets quickly, not a club scrabbling around on the leftovers having been rejected by everyone else
The problem was, pretty much every one of them were cr*p |  |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 18:46 - Jul 11 with 1032 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 17:59 - Jul 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Our arrivals in January cost a fortune and the idea that players wouldn’t come to us is rubbish - as illustrated by the 7 signings we made. In fact, 6 of those signings were through the door within 2 weeks - that’s the sign of identifying and signings targets quickly, not a club scrabbling around on the leftovers having been rejected by everyone else
The problem was, pretty much every one of them were cr*p |
The first point of your argument is unproven. Although I’m sure the likes of Quaner and Bree would be on a large salary, it all depends on percentage split we had with clubs, which we don’t know. Very similar to Garbutt this year.
I’m sure negotiations for January were taken place long before January, so we don’t know how high up the list these ‘targets’ were. Other avenues could easily have attempted prior to January and shut down.
Will Keane/Collin Quaner/James Bree/Dawkins/Collins all scream rejected footballers from other clubs I’m afraid. I’d be interested to know the amount of game time they five had had prior to joining us in January, add Judge to that as well. [Post edited 11 Jul 2020 18:48]
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 18:49 - Jul 11 with 1024 views | Bluefish |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 18:46 - Jul 11 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
The first point of your argument is unproven. Although I’m sure the likes of Quaner and Bree would be on a large salary, it all depends on percentage split we had with clubs, which we don’t know. Very similar to Garbutt this year.
I’m sure negotiations for January were taken place long before January, so we don’t know how high up the list these ‘targets’ were. Other avenues could easily have attempted prior to January and shut down.
Will Keane/Collin Quaner/James Bree/Dawkins/Collins all scream rejected footballers from other clubs I’m afraid. I’d be interested to know the amount of game time they five had had prior to joining us in January, add Judge to that as well. [Post edited 11 Jul 2020 18:48]
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What is unproven? Quaner was the highest paid player in our history and was probably closely followed by
Keane (on loan)
Collins
Bree
Elder
Judge
And any other sh*t that Shambert brought in | |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 19:28 - Jul 11 with 971 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 18:46 - Jul 11 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
The first point of your argument is unproven. Although I’m sure the likes of Quaner and Bree would be on a large salary, it all depends on percentage split we had with clubs, which we don’t know. Very similar to Garbutt this year.
I’m sure negotiations for January were taken place long before January, so we don’t know how high up the list these ‘targets’ were. Other avenues could easily have attempted prior to January and shut down.
Will Keane/Collin Quaner/James Bree/Dawkins/Collins all scream rejected footballers from other clubs I’m afraid. I’d be interested to know the amount of game time they five had had prior to joining us in January, add Judge to that as well. [Post edited 11 Jul 2020 18:48]
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Our wage bill for 2018/19 was £18.95m - half a million up on the previous season despite shedding high earners like McGoldrick, Webster, Waghorn and Garner and replacing them with cut price League One players. Clearly the January splurge has bumped that up massively
Of course those players were out of favour at their clubs but then so has pretty much every player we’d brought in for the past 5 years. Being out of favour doesn’t mean they weren’t at the top of our list though - we moved very quickly in January to bring them in so they were pretty obviously at the top of our list of targets
What will be the excuses for Lambert next season out of interest? I suppose no one could possibly be expected to succeed given the impact of a global pandemic? | |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 20:00 - Jul 11 with 931 views | Bluefish |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 19:28 - Jul 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Our wage bill for 2018/19 was £18.95m - half a million up on the previous season despite shedding high earners like McGoldrick, Webster, Waghorn and Garner and replacing them with cut price League One players. Clearly the January splurge has bumped that up massively
Of course those players were out of favour at their clubs but then so has pretty much every player we’d brought in for the past 5 years. Being out of favour doesn’t mean they weren’t at the top of our list though - we moved very quickly in January to bring them in so they were pretty obviously at the top of our list of targets
What will be the excuses for Lambert next season out of interest? I suppose no one could possibly be expected to succeed given the impact of a global pandemic? |
Worse than that we added the highest earners for the 2nd half of the season only so the real wage bill was for higher | |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 21:22 - Jul 11 with 864 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 19:28 - Jul 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Our wage bill for 2018/19 was £18.95m - half a million up on the previous season despite shedding high earners like McGoldrick, Webster, Waghorn and Garner and replacing them with cut price League One players. Clearly the January splurge has bumped that up massively
Of course those players were out of favour at their clubs but then so has pretty much every player we’d brought in for the past 5 years. Being out of favour doesn’t mean they weren’t at the top of our list though - we moved very quickly in January to bring them in so they were pretty obviously at the top of our list of targets
What will be the excuses for Lambert next season out of interest? I suppose no one could possibly be expected to succeed given the impact of a global pandemic? |
Forget this argument, the more money you earn the better you must be. It’s illogical, especially outside the Premier League. It’s a lazy argument.
When looking at the players from January, look at what they were doing prior to joining us, not playing football at their parent clubs, we scraped the barrel, because that’s all a Championship club severely struggling can tend to do.
Whether they were top of the list or not cannot be proved, nobody knows who Lamberts targets were. How do you know if Lambert wasn’t moving for other players prior to January who said no, that’s not for me, and then moved on to further targets prior to January like Will Keane....? You don’t know is the answer.
In regards to your last point, there are no excuses for next season, Lambert will know that. | |
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| The joke of the PRP free hit on 21:26 - Jul 11 with 854 views | Darth_Koont |
For someone who invents the world they live in, why do you live in such a sh!t one? |  |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 21:27 - Jul 11 with 850 views | Chrisd |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 16:17 - Jul 11 by Bluefish |
We had enough to stay up and then in January we spent hugely on loanees. We just didn't have a capable manager. Nonway in the world that Mick or Warnock or Pearson or many others would have taken us down |
We didn’t. We were woefully short of Championship quality. There were too many L1 players in our squad expected to just step up and play at that higher level. Those managers you’ve listed wouldn’t have sold our better players for inferior ones during that summer. | |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 21:36 - Jul 11 with 827 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 18:49 - Jul 11 by Bluefish |
What is unproven? Quaner was the highest paid player in our history and was probably closely followed by
Keane (on loan)
Collins
Bree
Elder
Judge
And any other sh*t that Shambert brought in |
Will Keane played 8 times for Hull before joining us in January.
James Bree played 8 times for Aston Villa before joining us in January.
Callum Elder made no appearances for Leicester before joining us in January.
Collin Quaner made 2 appearances for Huddersfield before joining us in January.
Simon Dawkins played 0 games before joining us in January.
James Collins played 0 games before joining us in January.
Alan Judge was the most involved player, however, only completed 90 minutes 3 times for Brentford.
That’s scraping the barrel, that’s bottom of the league recruitment, because that was the reality of our dire situation when Paul Hurst dropped a grenade in this football club.
Please stop using this ‘but he was paid loads of money so he must be good’ argument, it’s naive and unintelligent. | |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 21:40 - Jul 11 with 819 views | Darth_Koont |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 21:27 - Jul 11 by Chrisd |
We didn’t. We were woefully short of Championship quality. There were too many L1 players in our squad expected to just step up and play at that higher level. Those managers you’ve listed wouldn’t have sold our better players for inferior ones during that summer. |
Agreed.
I think Lambert has been poor. But what Hurst did to a relatively valuable and sustainable squad beggars belief.
Lambert rightfully got some leeway for the first season. But l0ast season wasn't good enough and it was his own fault. | |
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| The joke of the PRP free hit on 21:41 - Jul 11 with 814 views | patrickswell |
As much as I agree with you about Lambert, please bear in mind though that he inherited a squad in which the senior players regarded themselves as relegated and the summer additions were not good enough (which was the main reason why the senior players regarded themselves as relegated). |  | | |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 21:44 - Jul 11 with 813 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 21:22 - Jul 11 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Forget this argument, the more money you earn the better you must be. It’s illogical, especially outside the Premier League. It’s a lazy argument.
When looking at the players from January, look at what they were doing prior to joining us, not playing football at their parent clubs, we scraped the barrel, because that’s all a Championship club severely struggling can tend to do.
Whether they were top of the list or not cannot be proved, nobody knows who Lamberts targets were. How do you know if Lambert wasn’t moving for other players prior to January who said no, that’s not for me, and then moved on to further targets prior to January like Will Keane....? You don’t know is the answer.
In regards to your last point, there are no excuses for next season, Lambert will know that. |
Hold on, earlier we couldn’t financially compete and those players being expensive was unproven, . Then when I point out the club accounts show the wage bill increasing suddenly it’s not about how expensive players are? Talk about moving the goalposts
Of course the players we signed were out of favour, players signed by Championship clubs in January generally are. That same window Sheffield United signed Oliver Norwood from Brighton, a year before Fulham signed Aleksander Mitrovic and indeed a few years back we signed David McGoldrick
Will Keane was signed 4 days into the window, he was patently a top target. So much so in fact that Lambert signed him permanently. Unfortunately, Will Keane is cr*p
There have been no excuses for Lambert the past year and a half. He failed pathetically to keep us up, and he’s failed even more pathetically in leading us to an 11th places finish in the third division. We have been in relegation form since October
There is zero evidence to suggest anything will change next year, but I’m sure you’ll still find a way to move those goalposts again and excuse him when we do | |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 21:53 - Jul 11 with 788 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 21:36 - Jul 11 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Will Keane played 8 times for Hull before joining us in January.
James Bree played 8 times for Aston Villa before joining us in January.
Callum Elder made no appearances for Leicester before joining us in January.
Collin Quaner made 2 appearances for Huddersfield before joining us in January.
Simon Dawkins played 0 games before joining us in January.
James Collins played 0 games before joining us in January.
Alan Judge was the most involved player, however, only completed 90 minutes 3 times for Brentford.
That’s scraping the barrel, that’s bottom of the league recruitment, because that was the reality of our dire situation when Paul Hurst dropped a grenade in this football club.
Please stop using this ‘but he was paid loads of money so he must be good’ argument, it’s naive and unintelligent. |
In 2017/18 we signed the following in January:
Stephen Gleason - 5 appearances for Birmingham
Mustapha Carayol - 15 appearances for Forest
CCV - 17 appearances for Sheffield Utd
In 2016/17:
Kieffer Moore from the conference
Jordan Spence who had been without a club all year
Steven Taylor - 9 appearances for Portland Timbers
Toumani Diagouraga - 1 appearance for Leeds
Emyr Huws - 3 appearances for Cardiff
Dominic Samuel - 9 appearances for Reading
In 2015/16:
Kevin Foley who had been without a club
Paul Digby - 1 appearance for Barnsley in League One
Excuses excuses excuses [Post edited 11 Jul 2020 21:53]
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 21:58 - Jul 11 with 770 views | patrickswell |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 21:53 - Jul 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
In 2017/18 we signed the following in January:
Stephen Gleason - 5 appearances for Birmingham
Mustapha Carayol - 15 appearances for Forest
CCV - 17 appearances for Sheffield Utd
In 2016/17:
Kieffer Moore from the conference
Jordan Spence who had been without a club all year
Steven Taylor - 9 appearances for Portland Timbers
Toumani Diagouraga - 1 appearance for Leeds
Emyr Huws - 3 appearances for Cardiff
Dominic Samuel - 9 appearances for Reading
In 2015/16:
Kevin Foley who had been without a club
Paul Digby - 1 appearance for Barnsley in League One
Excuses excuses excuses [Post edited 11 Jul 2020 21:53]
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I dream of an alternative ending to 2017/18 where McCarthy doesn’t leave and goes to Evans and says “Sign Carter-Vickers and a less injury prone replacement for Didzy, and we’ll be in the top 6 next season.” | | | |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 22:05 - Jul 11 with 749 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 21:44 - Jul 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Hold on, earlier we couldn’t financially compete and those players being expensive was unproven, . Then when I point out the club accounts show the wage bill increasing suddenly it’s not about how expensive players are? Talk about moving the goalposts
Of course the players we signed were out of favour, players signed by Championship clubs in January generally are. That same window Sheffield United signed Oliver Norwood from Brighton, a year before Fulham signed Aleksander Mitrovic and indeed a few years back we signed David McGoldrick
Will Keane was signed 4 days into the window, he was patently a top target. So much so in fact that Lambert signed him permanently. Unfortunately, Will Keane is cr*p
There have been no excuses for Lambert the past year and a half. He failed pathetically to keep us up, and he’s failed even more pathetically in leading us to an 11th places finish in the third division. We have been in relegation form since October
There is zero evidence to suggest anything will change next year, but I’m sure you’ll still find a way to move those goalposts again and excuse him when we do |
Just because our personal wage bill increases does not mean that we can compete on the wider scale of finances in the Championship...? How is that moving the goalposts? Even with a wage bill of £18.95m, I would we were still bottom 5/6 in the league, hence we cannot compete realistically in that league, goes to show the sterling job Mick did.
Are you trying to compare Ipswich signing Will Keane to Fulham signing Mitrovic.
Sheffield Utd were not bottom of the league when they signed Norwood, Fulham were not bottom of the league when they signed Mitrovic, nor were we bottom of the league when we signed McGoldrick.
Talk about moving the goalposts, ey. | |
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| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 22:09 - Jul 11 with 730 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| The hoke of the PRP free hit on 21:53 - Jul 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
In 2017/18 we signed the following in January:
Stephen Gleason - 5 appearances for Birmingham
Mustapha Carayol - 15 appearances for Forest
CCV - 17 appearances for Sheffield Utd
In 2016/17:
Kieffer Moore from the conference
Jordan Spence who had been without a club all year
Steven Taylor - 9 appearances for Portland Timbers
Toumani Diagouraga - 1 appearance for Leeds
Emyr Huws - 3 appearances for Cardiff
Dominic Samuel - 9 appearances for Reading
In 2015/16:
Kevin Foley who had been without a club
Paul Digby - 1 appearance for Barnsley in League One
Excuses excuses excuses [Post edited 11 Jul 2020 21:53]
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I need say no more!
Outstanding January business there. [Post edited 11 Jul 2020 22:10]
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