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England V Windies 2nd test selection 19:06 - Jul 13 with 2520 viewshampstead_blue

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Best (if I were picking an Irish rugby team). Burns as it's cricket.
Sibley
Crawley
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Bess
Archer
Wood
Anderson

Buttler is shot and needs to rediscover his freedom. His drop in the second innings was village.
I've always been for the best gloveman. We should have had Chris Read, James Foster with them for the past twenty years.

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 19:09 - Jul 13 with 2065 viewsgainsboroughblue

I'm assuming you mean Burns opening?

I doubt they will drop Buttler and suspect Broad will be back.

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 19:09 - Jul 13 by gainsboroughblue

I'm assuming you mean Burns opening?

I doubt they will drop Buttler and suspect Broad will be back.


Good spot.

Getting 20 wickets takes guile and skill. You can't just keep banging away. Broad and Anderson is nailed on for my I feel.

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 19:13 - Jul 13 with 2042 viewsIpswichKnight

No chance it will happen but I’d pick

Burns
Crawley
Root
Pope
Stokes
Lawrence
Foakes
Bess
Archer
Wood
Anderson
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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 19:18 - Jul 13 with 2019 viewshampstead_blue

England V Windies 2nd test selection on 19:13 - Jul 13 by IpswichKnight

No chance it will happen but I’d pick

Burns
Crawley
Root
Pope
Stokes
Lawrence
Foakes
Bess
Archer
Wood
Anderson


Pope is the future #4, I agree. He is annoying good!

Sibley is also the future opener. Everyone gets found out at test level but he can rectify his leg side foible no worry.

Would love to see Lawrence in there as well as Foakes.

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 19:18 - Jul 13 with 2021 viewssparks

Buttler hasnt dropped one for about two years apparently...

Leaving Broad out again would be silly.

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 19:39 - Jul 13 with 1993 viewsgordon

England V Windies 2nd test selection on 19:18 - Jul 13 by sparks

Buttler hasnt dropped one for about two years apparently...

Leaving Broad out again would be silly.


Completely agree on Broad, was an awful decision.

Have a horrible feeling that Denly will get picked again somehow - he's been in the team on the grounds that he's Ed Smith's mate, and that hasn't changed.

Foakes is a better keeper and batter than Buttler in this form of the game, and not sure that Bess is good enough.

So I'd have:

Burns
Sibley
Crawley
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Archer
Broad
Leach
Anderson
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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 19:47 - Jul 13 with 1983 viewsbournemouthblue

England V Windies 2nd test selection on 19:39 - Jul 13 by gordon

Completely agree on Broad, was an awful decision.

Have a horrible feeling that Denly will get picked again somehow - he's been in the team on the grounds that he's Ed Smith's mate, and that hasn't changed.

Foakes is a better keeper and batter than Buttler in this form of the game, and not sure that Bess is good enough.

So I'd have:

Burns
Sibley
Crawley
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Archer
Broad
Leach
Anderson


You've got to fancy Leach having more success against all their right handers and I would expect him to be more economic too

I know Bess was bowling on what was essentially a 4th day pitch so it's probably a bit harsh on him, it's certainly something they should be looking at none the less

Broad should have played the first game really, you'd have thought if any pitch was going to be conducive to pace it was Old Trafford

England clearly have one eye on the Ashes series down under

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 20:22 - Jul 13 with 1945 viewsChrisd

England V Windies 2nd test selection on 19:18 - Jul 13 by hampstead_blue

Pope is the future #4, I agree. He is annoying good!

Sibley is also the future opener. Everyone gets found out at test level but he can rectify his leg side foible no worry.

Would love to see Lawrence in there as well as Foakes.


Being an Essex boy, I’d love to see Dan Lawrence playing for England. He’s been Mr Consistent for us over the last few seasons. It’s incredible when the current County Champions and 20/20 Champs have no one in England’s starting XI of either format.

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 21:53 - Jul 13 with 1904 viewsstonojnr

England V Windies 2nd test selection on 19:47 - Jul 13 by bournemouthblue

You've got to fancy Leach having more success against all their right handers and I would expect him to be more economic too

I know Bess was bowling on what was essentially a 4th day pitch so it's probably a bit harsh on him, it's certainly something they should be looking at none the less

Broad should have played the first game really, you'd have thought if any pitch was going to be conducive to pace it was Old Trafford

England clearly have one eye on the Ashes series down under


thats what Aggers was saying, and Ed Smith is mr stats man,not prone to gut choices, so whilst the gut choice says pick Broad, it should be stick with the bowlers you picked for a pace wicket.

but thats always the way isnt, the team loses because the batting unit fails to post a decent score,twice, and its always the bowlers we swap around focussing on that 20 wickets target :)
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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 21:57 - Jul 13 with 1894 viewsbournemouthblue

England V Windies 2nd test selection on 21:53 - Jul 13 by stonojnr

thats what Aggers was saying, and Ed Smith is mr stats man,not prone to gut choices, so whilst the gut choice says pick Broad, it should be stick with the bowlers you picked for a pace wicket.

but thats always the way isnt, the team loses because the batting unit fails to post a decent score,twice, and its always the bowlers we swap around focussing on that 20 wickets target :)


Root will obviously come back

I'd like to see Foakes given a chance too, Butler looks way off it at the moment but I wonder if they'll give him one last chance at his Home Ground?

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 21:59 - Jul 13 with 1894 viewsIpswichKnight

England V Windies 2nd test selection on 20:22 - Jul 13 by Chrisd

Being an Essex boy, I’d love to see Dan Lawrence playing for England. He’s been Mr Consistent for us over the last few seasons. It’s incredible when the current County Champions and 20/20 Champs have no one in England’s starting XI of either format.


It was almost as bad as not picking Broad I’m not picking Lawrence for the last test, the guy had been carting around the best and brightest that the Aussies have in the winter including a double ton in one game.

Totally agree that Pope should bar at 4 he’s wasted at 6. I really rate Crawley as well he reminds me a bit of Trescothick in that he can get England going early.
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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 22:55 - Jul 13 with 1868 viewsMelford

Ever since we junked Jack Russell for Alec Stewart because he was a batsman who could keep wicket to a reasonable level the die was cast. We haven't had a specialist wicketkeeper since then. I don't understand why if you have a top class keeper who will take 99% of catches it can't be accepted he's a bit of a rabbit batting wise like a bowler with a lower batting average would get in the strength of his bowling alone. We don't pick the best wicketkeeper, we pick the best batsman who can can play the position.

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 23:23 - Jul 13 with 1847 viewsDevereuxxx

I don't think we'll see many changes, to be honest; probably Broad in for Wood and Root in for Crawley. As others have said, I can't see them jettisoning Denly quite yet. I think they believe the general point of Denly is to just stay put and give Root a bit more freedom, while Crawley's more natural instinct is to score. And they see Stokes, Buttler and Pope as the ones to score quickly if needed.

Would love to see Lawrence given a crack at some point though, he looks like a lovely player. Buttler will hold the gloves for the rest of this series also, they are desperate for him to get a score. Personally, I don't mind the opening partnership, Burns looked in good nick and Sibley did his job - surely all the chat between him and the coaches will be his problems on the leg side.
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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 09:52 - Jul 14 with 1776 viewsfranz_tyson

England V Windies 2nd test selection on 23:23 - Jul 13 by Devereuxxx

I don't think we'll see many changes, to be honest; probably Broad in for Wood and Root in for Crawley. As others have said, I can't see them jettisoning Denly quite yet. I think they believe the general point of Denly is to just stay put and give Root a bit more freedom, while Crawley's more natural instinct is to score. And they see Stokes, Buttler and Pope as the ones to score quickly if needed.

Would love to see Lawrence given a crack at some point though, he looks like a lovely player. Buttler will hold the gloves for the rest of this series also, they are desperate for him to get a score. Personally, I don't mind the opening partnership, Burns looked in good nick and Sibley did his job - surely all the chat between him and the coaches will be his problems on the leg side.


I’d be stunned if Crawley was dropped. Top scorer for us.
I can see that Denly absorbs plenty of deliveries and maybe Root will be selfish and feel he’s more protected at 4 with Denly there. Denly looks unable to push the score along and gets us bogged down. It would be very controversial and hard to justify dropping Crawley after the last game. Broad in for Wood and Root in for Denly for me. I can’t see Buttler getting dropped quite yet. Foakes has a bad season with the bat last year and maybe has missed his chance. Pity as he’s our best keeper.
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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 19:39 - Jul 13 by gordon

Completely agree on Broad, was an awful decision.

Have a horrible feeling that Denly will get picked again somehow - he's been in the team on the grounds that he's Ed Smith's mate, and that hasn't changed.

Foakes is a better keeper and batter than Buttler in this form of the game, and not sure that Bess is good enough.

So I'd have:

Burns
Sibley
Crawley
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Archer
Broad
Leach
Anderson


Fortunately Denly has more or less rendered himself unselectable.

Having lost the first test and with Root coming back he is impossible to pick. His only chance of playing is if one of the others picks up an injury/illness on the eve of the Test.

With the squad available it I would pick Root for Denly, Foakes for Buttler and then the bowling attack depending on the pitch. Not sure Old Trafford is as quick as it used to be.
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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 10:15 - Jul 14 with 1761 viewsIpswichKnight

I think some ex England players might actually try and punch Ed Smith if they drop Crawley and pick Denly it's got to a point that the number 3 will get out after batting 70 odd deliveries for a scrore between 20 and 35. Crawley opens for Kent he can bat at 3 and his scores are going up and up that first test match ton is coming this series where as I can't see Denly getting past 50.

They've dug a massive big hole for the bowling, if they had picked Broad for the first Test then rocked up to Manchester seen a nice juicy quick pitch and played Wood instead no one would care!

I've seen some people argue that we should go into the 1st test in Brisbane with a bowling attack of Broad, Anderson, Woakes, Curran and Stoakes, obviously those people want to watch Australia bat for 2 1/2 days and rack up 600/700 and then watch us lose by an innings and 300!
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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 10:24 - Jul 14 with 1756 viewsChrisd

England V Windies 2nd test selection on 10:15 - Jul 14 by IpswichKnight

I think some ex England players might actually try and punch Ed Smith if they drop Crawley and pick Denly it's got to a point that the number 3 will get out after batting 70 odd deliveries for a scrore between 20 and 35. Crawley opens for Kent he can bat at 3 and his scores are going up and up that first test match ton is coming this series where as I can't see Denly getting past 50.

They've dug a massive big hole for the bowling, if they had picked Broad for the first Test then rocked up to Manchester seen a nice juicy quick pitch and played Wood instead no one would care!

I've seen some people argue that we should go into the 1st test in Brisbane with a bowling attack of Broad, Anderson, Woakes, Curran and Stoakes, obviously those people want to watch Australia bat for 2 1/2 days and rack up 600/700 and then watch us lose by an innings and 300!


Hussain threw that question out, 'Going into an Ashes series would Broad start, if fit?' The simple answer is yes. However, it wasn't really the bowling that was the issue during that first test. The batting remains the problem area and these collapses continue to resurface. Root will strengthen the top order, but I feel Burns, Sibley and Crawley have proved themselves with decent knocks over recent series and deserve their places. Denly to me looks a very decent county player, but the international stage continues to look a step too far, even though he'll play some classy shots from time to time.

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 11:45 - Jul 14 with 1723 viewshampstead_blue

Delighted someone came in with the argument for the best gloveman.

Alec Stewart has always come across as 'apple for teacher'. A bit of a goodie goodie. Daddy is selector and county coach.....Not my cup of tea.

Watching Holder 1st innings and Gabriel 2nd, I feel Wood and Archer got the length slightly wrong. Wood did go full in the 2nd but Blackwood was in by then.

Crawley looks class. Scored at a good pace and looked solid. Denly can 'absorb' but so can I. It doesn't mean you can score at 3 an over at Test level. Denley clearly can't make that step. Fair play, he's in great shape, gun fielder, but his skills are lacking.

I like Bess as a bowler and the fact that he's a great fielder and can bat makes him my pick for now. Leach is good but not enough revs on the ball.

I don't think Broad will play and Buttler will continue.

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 13:05 - Jul 14 with 1694 viewsIpswichKnight

England V Windies 2nd test selection on 11:45 - Jul 14 by hampstead_blue

Delighted someone came in with the argument for the best gloveman.

Alec Stewart has always come across as 'apple for teacher'. A bit of a goodie goodie. Daddy is selector and county coach.....Not my cup of tea.

Watching Holder 1st innings and Gabriel 2nd, I feel Wood and Archer got the length slightly wrong. Wood did go full in the 2nd but Blackwood was in by then.

Crawley looks class. Scored at a good pace and looked solid. Denly can 'absorb' but so can I. It doesn't mean you can score at 3 an over at Test level. Denley clearly can't make that step. Fair play, he's in great shape, gun fielder, but his skills are lacking.

I like Bess as a bowler and the fact that he's a great fielder and can bat makes him my pick for now. Leach is good but not enough revs on the ball.

I don't think Broad will play and Buttler will continue.


I agree on Bess, I don't see an international class bowler in Leach he's a spin version of Jamie Peters at Essex takes bag loads of wickets at county level but is just that bit short of international class ( for Peters it's that he's 5mph slower than Anderson but does the same thing moves the ball early then is a total pain to get away once it stops swinging ) Leach as you say just doesn't get enough revs to really trouble test match batsman.
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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 15:17 - Jul 14 with 1642 viewsRadlett_blue

England V Windies 2nd test selection on 10:07 - Jul 14 by WD19

Fortunately Denly has more or less rendered himself unselectable.

Having lost the first test and with Root coming back he is impossible to pick. His only chance of playing is if one of the others picks up an injury/illness on the eve of the Test.

With the squad available it I would pick Root for Denly, Foakes for Buttler and then the bowling attack depending on the pitch. Not sure Old Trafford is as quick as it used to be.


I'm sure they will rotate the faster bowlers.
Bess versus Leach is something of a toss up, but Somerset prefer Leach so you would think they would know. Bess can keep an end tight but doesn't seem likely to take many Test wickets.
Silverwood has been talking up Buttler again but he seems to find it impossible to repeat his ODI batting form in Tests and as he isn't nearly the best keeper I wouldn't pick him, but I think he keeps his place.
If Denly keeps his place I give up.

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 16:22 - Jul 14 with 1629 viewsgordon

England V Windies 2nd test selection on 15:17 - Jul 14 by Radlett_blue

I'm sure they will rotate the faster bowlers.
Bess versus Leach is something of a toss up, but Somerset prefer Leach so you would think they would know. Bess can keep an end tight but doesn't seem likely to take many Test wickets.
Silverwood has been talking up Buttler again but he seems to find it impossible to repeat his ODI batting form in Tests and as he isn't nearly the best keeper I wouldn't pick him, but I think he keeps his place.
If Denly keeps his place I give up.


I would go with Leach myself, he has a better record in county cricket and a decent record in test cricket so far. Bess is a better batter and fielder though.

Buttler will be replaced by Foakes at some point, but it'll be a long, long time before they admit they were wrong on that one.

Can't shake a feeling that somehow Denly will be picked, as well but I really hope not.
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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 16:52 - Jul 14 with 1616 viewsMaySixth

I'd have Leach over Bess - we need to get the ball turning away from all the WI right handers.

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 16:20 - Jul 15 with 1556 viewsSaleAway

WEll - at least we won't have Denly

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/53419675

Interesting to see if they tinker with the bowling attack. I can't see Mark Wood playing this and the next test... he'll break down, so I wonder if there will be some rotation... maybe broad for wood. Archer looked like he was getting better every spell in the last test, so I wouldn't see him dropping. Either no other changes, or Broad for Wood is my prediction. Forecast is dry for all 5 days, if a bit overcast for the first couple.

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 17:31 - Jul 15 with 1537 viewsChrisd

England V Windies 2nd test selection on 16:20 - Jul 15 by SaleAway

WEll - at least we won't have Denly

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/53419675

Interesting to see if they tinker with the bowling attack. I can't see Mark Wood playing this and the next test... he'll break down, so I wonder if there will be some rotation... maybe broad for wood. Archer looked like he was getting better every spell in the last test, so I wouldn't see him dropping. Either no other changes, or Broad for Wood is my prediction. Forecast is dry for all 5 days, if a bit overcast for the first couple.


I see England have already selected a squad of 13. Decided to rest Anderson and Wood. Why rest Anderson on his home ground? Unless he is carrying an injury.

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England V Windies 2nd test selection on 17:38 - Jul 15 with 1527 viewsIpswichKnight

England V Windies 2nd test selection on 17:31 - Jul 15 by Chrisd

I see England have already selected a squad of 13. Decided to rest Anderson and Wood. Why rest Anderson on his home ground? Unless he is carrying an injury.


They said they would rotate but didn’t think it would be this test. Broad will play now and I’d go for Robinson and keep the extra pace in the team.
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