| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:25 - Jul 14 with 2603 views | Herbivore |
Much as I like anyone ripping into Norwich I can't get on board with the sentiment of the article. He's simply encouraging reckless spending as a virtue and criticising Norwich for not following that path. |  |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:27 - Jul 14 with 2570 views | Swansea_Blue |
Not clicking that.
But I’ve a forecast. Fast forward 9-10 months when they secure promotion with 5 games to go because they took the money from this season to keep most of the squad together, he’ll be fawning all over them. Def info. |  |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:29 - Jul 14 with 2558 views | waveneyblue |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:25 - Jul 14 by Herbivore |
Much as I like anyone ripping into Norwich I can't get on board with the sentiment of the article. He's simply encouraging reckless spending as a virtue and criticising Norwich for not following that path. |
But he is right in the way that they pretty much accepted relegation from day one. Why get a reward for failure?Parachute payments shouldn't even be a thing unless you've been in the league for at least 3 years. Not enjoying your third relegation in about 6 years. |  | | |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:29 - Jul 14 with 2563 views | pointofblue |
I think the article exposes everything that is wrong with football perfectly. It’s a shame Martin Samuel cannot see it. |  |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:34 - Jul 14 with 2523 views | Herbivore |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:29 - Jul 14 by waveneyblue |
But he is right in the way that they pretty much accepted relegation from day one. Why get a reward for failure?Parachute payments shouldn't even be a thing unless you've been in the league for at least 3 years. Not enjoying your third relegation in about 6 years. |
If teams have to spend 3 years in the Prem to get parachute payments no side will ever manage it. They wouldn't be able to risk signing players good enough to keep them up. I don't like the idea that a side shouldn't get payments because they've chosen not to spend recklessly. | |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:36 - Jul 14 with 2507 views | waveneyblue |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:34 - Jul 14 by Herbivore |
If teams have to spend 3 years in the Prem to get parachute payments no side will ever manage it. They wouldn't be able to risk signing players good enough to keep them up. I don't like the idea that a side shouldn't get payments because they've chosen not to spend recklessly. |
So you are supporting the Norwich model. Get promoted, get relegated, get promoted repeat.
And for that getting paid 40 million to do just that.
It's what creates the farce of finances in the Championship | | | |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:36 - Jul 14 with 2503 views | PJH |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:34 - Jul 14 by Herbivore |
If teams have to spend 3 years in the Prem to get parachute payments no side will ever manage it. They wouldn't be able to risk signing players good enough to keep them up. I don't like the idea that a side shouldn't get payments because they've chosen not to spend recklessly. |
Although they do seem to have gone into the season, on their own admission, thinking 'we have got no chance of staying up so we will not bother to try'. |  | | |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:37 - Jul 14 with 2485 views | Herbivore |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:36 - Jul 14 by waveneyblue |
So you are supporting the Norwich model. Get promoted, get relegated, get promoted repeat.
And for that getting paid 40 million to do just that.
It's what creates the farce of finances in the Championship |
It's down to individual clubs to manage their finances. | |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:38 - Jul 14 with 2476 views | Herbivore |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:36 - Jul 14 by PJH |
Although they do seem to have gone into the season, on their own admission, thinking 'we have got no chance of staying up so we will not bother to try'. |
Which is fair enough. They weren't good enough and would have had to spend about £100m to be competitive, plus wages. Where would that have left them had they gone down? | |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:40 - Jul 14 with 2462 views | waveneyblue |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:37 - Jul 14 by Herbivore |
It's down to individual clubs to manage their finances. |
We all have our own views I guess. But ignoring that its Norwich, being set up for at least 2 years by not even trying to stay in the Premiership seems pretty wrong to me | | | |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:42 - Jul 14 with 2435 views | Herbivore |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:40 - Jul 14 by waveneyblue |
We all have our own views I guess. But ignoring that its Norwich, being set up for at least 2 years by not even trying to stay in the Premiership seems pretty wrong to me |
They would argue they have tried, they've just not been good enough. You seem to be equating trying with spending recklessly. Villa have spaffed a massive wedge of cash and will likely finish only a few points above and be in a much worse position. Is that to be celebrated? | |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:46 - Jul 14 with 2412 views | waveneyblue |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:42 - Jul 14 by Herbivore |
They would argue they have tried, they've just not been good enough. You seem to be equating trying with spending recklessly. Villa have spaffed a massive wedge of cash and will likely finish only a few points above and be in a much worse position. Is that to be celebrated? |
Theres throwing money about and theres a bit of investment. Everybody knew that the defence was pretty weak even in the Championship. To do nothing about it and get 40million quid to have another crack next year is wrong.
This has to be a first, a debate with somebody defending Norwich on TWTD.... | | | |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:56 - Jul 14 with 2366 views | ArnieM |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:36 - Jul 14 by waveneyblue |
So you are supporting the Norwich model. Get promoted, get relegated, get promoted repeat.
And for that getting paid 40 million to do just that.
It's what creates the farce of finances in the Championship |
You could most accuse Nodge of lacking any real ambition. They have never gone in to make an impression or compete in the PL . Many other promoted clubs have at least given it a go and not necessarily spent £m’s in that attempt. Nodge have now got the record of 5 relegations usually after just one season in the to flight . I’d say that’s a lack of mbitiln. They are simply a rich Championship Club. Nothing more. |  |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:58 - Jul 14 with 2354 views | Herbivore |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:46 - Jul 14 by waveneyblue |
Theres throwing money about and theres a bit of investment. Everybody knew that the defence was pretty weak even in the Championship. To do nothing about it and get 40million quid to have another crack next year is wrong.
This has to be a first, a debate with somebody defending Norwich on TWTD.... |
Why is it wrong? They got to the Prem on merit. Nothing I the rules says they have to spaff a load of cash to stay up. I'm not defending Norwich, I'm defending the principle. If this was any other side I doubt people would be bothered by what they'd done. | |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 20:19 - Jul 14 with 2278 views | jaykay |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:34 - Jul 14 by Herbivore |
If teams have to spend 3 years in the Prem to get parachute payments no side will ever manage it. They wouldn't be able to risk signing players good enough to keep them up. I don't like the idea that a side shouldn't get payments because they've chosen not to spend recklessly. |
i think that's the point. norwich didn't risk signing any players. |  |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 20:21 - Jul 14 with 2266 views | Herbivore |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 20:19 - Jul 14 by jaykay |
i think that's the point. norwich didn't risk signing any players. |
I guess my response to that would be 'And?'. | |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 20:23 - Jul 14 with 2259 views | Chrisd |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 20:19 - Jul 14 by jaykay |
i think that's the point. norwich didn't risk signing any players. |
Perhaps they are looking to play the long game, take the money and go again next season? Instead of most promoted sides approach, spend big in the hope they survive and then they are in a financial mess when they get relegated. If Villa go down, they look in serious financial trouble. | |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 20:27 - Jul 14 with 2232 views | gainsboroughblue |
It would be very them to go up next time and it then becomes 'closed shop'. |  |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 20:49 - Jul 14 with 2158 views | hype313 |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:25 - Jul 14 by Herbivore |
Much as I like anyone ripping into Norwich I can't get on board with the sentiment of the article. He's simply encouraging reckless spending as a virtue and criticising Norwich for not following that path. |
He's not encouraging reckless spending, that's the whole point of the article. |  |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 21:03 - Jul 14 with 2120 views | Herbivore |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 20:49 - Jul 14 by hype313 |
He's not encouraging reckless spending, that's the whole point of the article. |
It really isn't. | |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 21:25 - Jul 14 with 2038 views | Bent_double |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:58 - Jul 14 by Herbivore |
Why is it wrong? They got to the Prem on merit. Nothing I the rules says they have to spaff a load of cash to stay up. I'm not defending Norwich, I'm defending the principle. If this was any other side I doubt people would be bothered by what they'd done. |
It's an unwritten rule, when you're promoted, "here's your £100m+, now go out a buy quality players to entertain us."
The PL, Sky, BT, clubs, agents and players all benefit from the billions that slosh around their feet every season, they're not interested in clubs getting promoted and not, "playing the game."
Like you, I don't blame Noj for doing it - if by some miracle we managed to get to the PL, I'm sure we would do the same, but we don't need to worry about that for a long time. |  |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 09:22 - Jul 15 with 1687 views | PrideOfTheEast |
Norwich have no wealth behind them in the scheme of things so what choice do they have. If they'd spent £100m and got relegated and then not promoted again quickly they'd be bust.
Not sure it's fully appreciated the difficulty they would have been had they not got promoted last season.
A more imaginative bit of journalism would have pointed to this as being what's wrong with the system. [Post edited 15 Jul 2020 9:22]
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 09:39 - Jul 15 with 1631 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 19:56 - Jul 14 by ArnieM |
You could most accuse Nodge of lacking any real ambition. They have never gone in to make an impression or compete in the PL . Many other promoted clubs have at least given it a go and not necessarily spent £m’s in that attempt. Nodge have now got the record of 5 relegations usually after just one season in the to flight . I’d say that’s a lack of mbitiln. They are simply a rich Championship Club. Nothing more. |
On the other hand, Sheffield United are sitting 7th whilst relying predominantly on the same players that got them promoted from the Championship. In fact there's been 5/6 regulars that were in their side that got promoted from L1. And that is (quite rightly) billed as a David vs Goliath story every day in the media. | | | |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 09:58 - Jul 15 with 1561 views | Herbivore |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 09:39 - Jul 15 by tractorboy1978 |
On the other hand, Sheffield United are sitting 7th whilst relying predominantly on the same players that got them promoted from the Championship. In fact there's been 5/6 regulars that were in their side that got promoted from L1. And that is (quite rightly) billed as a David vs Goliath story every day in the media. |
Are you aware of how much Sheffield United have spent this season? In case you aren't, it's in the region of £60m. No doubt they have done well, but they've invested pretty heavily. | |
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| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 10:20 - Jul 15 with 1546 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Martin Samuels not impressed with Nodge on 09:58 - Jul 15 by Herbivore |
Are you aware of how much Sheffield United have spent this season? In case you aren't, it's in the region of £60m. No doubt they have done well, but they've invested pretty heavily. |
£54m of that was on Berge (signed in January) and McBurnie.
My point is they've not totally renovated their side. It's largely the same team and they've had huge success whilst Norwich simply haven't done the same. | | | |
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