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This is very good on "effective opposition" 13:40 - Jul 15 with 423 viewsDarth_Koont

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/14/labour-defeat-super-rich-c

It, along with the Labour report into the 2019 defeat, does however have a glaring miss that still needs to be addressed. How can an opposition party set the agenda or shift the debate in the media? There's evidently little to no support for transformative policies in the billionaire press. But there's little to no support coming from the soft Establishemnet of the BBC or Guardian either.

I think they need to be much stronger at rejecting the narratives of the press and certainly 4 years out from an election they need to be challenging that a lot more while they can. Shift their target audiences and create demand for your ideas there - not try to work through an outdated distribution network that will ask you to change what you're selling.

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This is very good on "effective opposition" on 13:48 - Jul 15 with 393 viewspointofblue

Corbyn was able to get his voice heard despite the press attacks so there’s no reason to fear the media. Johnson just shouted louder, with a clearer (if utterly stupid) message last December.

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This is very good on on 14:00 - Jul 15 with 364 viewsDarth_Koont

This is very good on "effective opposition" on 13:48 - Jul 15 by pointofblue

Corbyn was able to get his voice heard despite the press attacks so there’s no reason to fear the media. Johnson just shouted louder, with a clearer (if utterly stupid) message last December.


Sure, if you listened to what he was saying. But not if you heard what Corbyn was saying through the media filter.

Barring a few journalists and commentators who understood the objective need for a Green Industrial revolution, tackling structural inequalities or indeed the long-term importance of issues like free broadband or a 4-day week, the media tended to repackage the policies as unattainable and undesirable. Despite the individual policies being popular AND objectively valuable.

Brexit was the dominant issue of course. But this was also a disaster from a media "packaging" perspective as the media wrote it off as a muddle from the start. Despite it being a decent compromise to end this pointless binary nonsense.

You can't work with the media on their terms. And unlike 1997 there are plenty of ways and channels to communicate more directly. It would be a shame to see Starmer fall at the first hurdle by playing a game that isn't set up for the people Labour need to represent.
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