We can’t use the excuse this time 09:45 - Jul 17 with 2534 views | GlasgowBlue | That we were unaware it was going on
An ethno-religious minority being herded onto trains and taken to the camps. Genocide happening right before our eyes. | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 09:51 - Jul 17 with 1940 views | homer_123 | Extremely disturbing (I'd like confirmation that the footage is current and genuine). Genuine question though - how the f*ck would we even go about stopping it? | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 09:56 - Jul 17 with 1904 views | GlasgowBlue |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 09:51 - Jul 17 by homer_123 | Extremely disturbing (I'd like confirmation that the footage is current and genuine). Genuine question though - how the f*ck would we even go about stopping it? |
The entire world to treat China as a pariah nation. Massive sanctions. A Magnitsky law. [Post edited 17 Jul 2020 9:56]
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 10:00 - Jul 17 with 1873 views | Steve_M |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 09:51 - Jul 17 by homer_123 | Extremely disturbing (I'd like confirmation that the footage is current and genuine). Genuine question though - how the f*ck would we even go about stopping it? |
It's from last year but has been verified.
I would say that whilst the clip is evidence of a crime against humanity, it is not, of itself, proof of genocide. There is certainly other evidence for that though in the forced sterilisations and family separations. | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 10:03 - Jul 17 with 1846 views | giant_stow |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 09:56 - Jul 17 by GlasgowBlue | The entire world to treat China as a pariah nation. Massive sanctions. A Magnitsky law. [Post edited 17 Jul 2020 9:56]
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Might be our last chance to do so before they become even more important globally. To my undereducated mind, China is starting to look like a problem of the magnitude of climate change. | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 10:04 - Jul 17 with 1849 views | gordon | That looks awful, although it's not clear to what extent that veracity of the video has been verified, or who the source is. Genuine question, what's the background to the 'we can't use the excuse that we weren't aware it was going on.' EDIT - should have read the rest of the thread first. A common mistake of mine. [Post edited 17 Jul 2020 10:05]
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 10:09 - Jul 17 with 1807 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 10:04 - Jul 17 by gordon | That looks awful, although it's not clear to what extent that veracity of the video has been verified, or who the source is. Genuine question, what's the background to the 'we can't use the excuse that we weren't aware it was going on.' EDIT - should have read the rest of the thread first. A common mistake of mine. [Post edited 17 Jul 2020 10:05]
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We've known about the Chinese abuses of the Uighur population for years. Including forced sterilisation, forced labour, forced confessions, water boarding, routine beatings and concentration camps. The US intercepted 13 tonnes of human hair products a few months ago that is believed to have come from Uighur detainees. All seems a bit familiar doesn't it. | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 10:10 - Jul 17 with 1795 views | homer_123 |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 09:56 - Jul 17 by GlasgowBlue | The entire world to treat China as a pariah nation. Massive sanctions. A Magnitsky law. [Post edited 17 Jul 2020 9:56]
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Sadly, I cannot see it happening. Nations won't get involved in countries like Burma, let alone China. | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 10:12 - Jul 17 with 1784 views | homer_123 |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 10:00 - Jul 17 by Steve_M | It's from last year but has been verified.
I would say that whilst the clip is evidence of a crime against humanity, it is not, of itself, proof of genocide. There is certainly other evidence for that though in the forced sterilisations and family separations. |
Cheers Steve | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 10:13 - Jul 17 with 1778 views | gordon |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 10:09 - Jul 17 by Cheltenham_Blue | We've known about the Chinese abuses of the Uighur population for years. Including forced sterilisation, forced labour, forced confessions, water boarding, routine beatings and concentration camps. The US intercepted 13 tonnes of human hair products a few months ago that is believed to have come from Uighur detainees. All seems a bit familiar doesn't it. |
Yes, I had just thought it was accepted as common knowledge. | | | |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 10:26 - Jul 17 with 1733 views | Swansea_Blue |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 09:51 - Jul 17 by homer_123 | Extremely disturbing (I'd like confirmation that the footage is current and genuine). Genuine question though - how the f*ck would we even go about stopping it? |
We wouldn't. Everyone saw what they did to the Tibetans, yet we largely ignored that. | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 10:29 - Jul 17 with 1718 views | matteoblue | There is indeed now strong evidence from many alleged victims that support the case that there is a potential genocide happening in China. The Communist Party which exists as an all powerful party in a one party system will not tolerate possible alternative lifestyles to the one that it promotes to all of its people. If anyone disagrees with the opinion of the Party, they will be 'educated' so that their 'extreme' views can be modified or centralised. We can now see what this 'education' involves, which is enslaving the 'extremists' into concentration camps enduring hardship and almost certainly death, until they have learned the 'error' of their ways. The world is already starting to turn against China, as they seem to have played their hand too early in trying to boss other countries around and threatening global expansion, but their economy has stagnated and they are stuck in a developing status. Economic sanctions will have a big effect, if western countries are brave enough to do it. But there is little else that can be done to help any of its citizens who dare to believe in a private lifestyle that goes against the herd of a totalitarian country and its people. | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 11:21 - Jul 17 with 1591 views | GlasgowBlue |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 10:04 - Jul 17 by gordon | That looks awful, although it's not clear to what extent that veracity of the video has been verified, or who the source is. Genuine question, what's the background to the 'we can't use the excuse that we weren't aware it was going on.' EDIT - should have read the rest of the thread first. A common mistake of mine. [Post edited 17 Jul 2020 10:05]
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It was said at the time that the world was unaware of the Holocaust, although it’s since been revealed we were aware in 1942. There is no such excuse in the case of the Uighurs. The world knows and has known for some time. That we have done nothing has emboldened China to ramp it up. | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 11:47 - Jul 17 with 1556 views | Guthrum |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 09:56 - Jul 17 by GlasgowBlue | The entire world to treat China as a pariah nation. Massive sanctions. A Magnitsky law. [Post edited 17 Jul 2020 9:56]
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Not going to happen. China's economic clout and reach are just too big to do anything like that nowadays, either practically or politically. Would take years, possibly decades, to create alternatives to China's cheap manufacturing and to find different sources of their raw materials vital in the production of technology (e.g. rare earths) - which would be the most effective way of hurting them. They could also cause a lot of trouble in sensitive areas of the world and on vital seaways. Unfortunately, there is very little direct or immediate leverage for tackling apalling situations like this one. | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 11:58 - Jul 17 with 1541 views | BloomBlue |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 09:56 - Jul 17 by GlasgowBlue | The entire world to treat China as a pariah nation. Massive sanctions. A Magnitsky law. [Post edited 17 Jul 2020 9:56]
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It will never happen even if it went to the UN you know the likes of Russia will support China by default. The recent support of China over Hong Kong by a group of Countries at the UN demonstrates that, the UN is tribal it never speaks as one The only person who has stood up to China is Trump and he won't get reelected in Nov. People across the world can help, stop buying anything and everything from China. Find out before you buy anything is any part made in China and if yes don't buy even if it means buying from somewhere else at double the cost | | | |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 12:20 - Jul 17 with 1503 views | GlasgowBlue |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 11:58 - Jul 17 by BloomBlue | It will never happen even if it went to the UN you know the likes of Russia will support China by default. The recent support of China over Hong Kong by a group of Countries at the UN demonstrates that, the UN is tribal it never speaks as one The only person who has stood up to China is Trump and he won't get reelected in Nov. People across the world can help, stop buying anything and everything from China. Find out before you buy anything is any part made in China and if yes don't buy even if it means buying from somewhere else at double the cost |
Mind boggling to think that 46 governments signed a letter supporting China’s policy towards Uighurs, including Muslim majority countries such as Iran, Palestine, Iraq and Pakistan.
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 18:14 - Jul 17 with 1357 views | GlasgowBlue | Powerful stuff from Maajid.
He’s now on his third day of hunger strike. | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 18:45 - Jul 17 with 1323 views | Darth_Koont |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 18:14 - Jul 17 by GlasgowBlue | Powerful stuff from Maajid.
He’s now on his third day of hunger strike. |
Great cause. Awful self-promoting, left-punching, establishment-fellating tool. | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 18:51 - Jul 17 with 1319 views | hampstead_blue | Makes you cry. In a modern society that this is happening is wrong. It has been said "what atrocities are we seeing today that in 50 years time we will look back upon with shame"....... We ought to cancel Chinese investment, issue Gov Bonds to replace the money and hit them as hard as we can before it's becomes self harming. | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 18:58 - Jul 17 with 1302 views | GlasgowBlue |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 18:45 - Jul 17 by Darth_Koont | Great cause. Awful self-promoting, left-punching, establishment-fellating tool. |
I guess Maajid is the wrong kind of Muslim eh Koonters! | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 19:02 - Jul 17 with 1291 views | SpruceMoose |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 18:58 - Jul 17 by GlasgowBlue | I guess Maajid is the wrong kind of Muslim eh Koonters! |
Just can't stop with the point scoring can you? | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 19:08 - Jul 17 with 1277 views | Darth_Koont |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 18:58 - Jul 17 by GlasgowBlue | I guess Maajid is the wrong kind of Muslim eh Koonters! |
I was talking about you. | |
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 19:13 - Jul 17 with 1278 views | hampstead_blue |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 18:45 - Jul 17 by Darth_Koont | Great cause. Awful self-promoting, left-punching, establishment-fellating tool. |
Have you ever met Majid? He's a top bloke. I met him a lot a few years back and I can say he was cool. Still is in my book. Ignore his politics but as a bloke, he's great. Darth_Koont you are wrong. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 19:25 - Jul 17 with 1251 views | sparks |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 19:13 - Jul 17 by hampstead_blue | Have you ever met Majid? He's a top bloke. I met him a lot a few years back and I can say he was cool. Still is in my book. Ignore his politics but as a bloke, he's great. Darth_Koont you are wrong. |
I have a lot of tim for him. But for someone who has left extremism behind, hunger striking is kinda extreme. I dont understand his logic here if he is serious. The Chinese are not going to bend as a result of this- they wont notice or care. So he wil either die, or have to back down. Realistically it will be the latter. I get that its a publicity thing. But still. That is not to say, for one moment, that I take issue with his stance. I just dont see what "hunger strike" achieves. [Post edited 17 Jul 2020 19:29]
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We can’t use the excuse this time on 19:31 - Jul 17 with 1235 views | Darth_Koont |
We can’t use the excuse this time on 19:13 - Jul 17 by hampstead_blue | Have you ever met Majid? He's a top bloke. I met him a lot a few years back and I can say he was cool. Still is in my book. Ignore his politics but as a bloke, he's great. Darth_Koont you are wrong. |
Fiver is in the post for making my point better than I ever could myself. | |
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