| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin 21:05 - Jul 17 with 2412 views | patrickswell |
exercise, the two sides which finished directly below us in 2017/18 have subsequently gained promotion to the Premier League in the succeeding seasons.
God, Marcus is s–t, isn’t he? |  | | |  |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 21:11 - Jul 17 with 1962 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
There’s levels in this game. Their ambitions are in a totally different dimension to us, look at their manager, look at their squad, look at their recruitment.
They just have different ways to running the club to Evans.
Evans is going down a different route (academy graduates) and hopefully in years to follow, IF that production that continues and IF Evans continues to hold on to the academy graduates as he is showing desire to do, then I think it will prove to be a very good plan from Evans. |  |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 21:40 - Jul 17 with 1878 views | BlueBadger |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 21:11 - Jul 17 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
There’s levels in this game. Their ambitions are in a totally different dimension to us, look at their manager, look at their squad, look at their recruitment.
They just have different ways to running the club to Evans.
Evans is going down a different route (academy graduates) and hopefully in years to follow, IF that production that continues and IF Evans continues to hold on to the academy graduates as he is showing desire to do, then I think it will prove to be a very good plan from Evans. |
Lambert will only squander them, like he has every other resource he's had at ITFC. |  |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 22:28 - Jul 17 with 1796 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
Sh it as he is, it’s taken a £40M+ wage bill for both of those to get promoted. |  |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 22:38 - Jul 17 with 1768 views | soclopath |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 22:28 - Jul 17 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Sh it as he is, it’s taken a £40M+ wage bill for both of those to get promoted. |
Taken little notice of the club,just remember what a bunch of animals both players and supporters back in the 60's. |  | | |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 22:53 - Jul 17 with 1740 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 22:28 - Jul 17 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Sh it as he is, it’s taken a £40M+ wage bill for both of those to get promoted. |
Exactly..Evans would have to gamble all his money awayor put the club at risk of bankruptcy to do it. Whatever your opinion of Leeds they are a bigger club with a much bigger fanbase and deeper pockets.
If we just want to go toe to toe is cash it would be a big gamble wit h the club on the line.
Evans has made mistakes. He also doesn't have enough money to lose on us. | |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 23:12 - Jul 17 with 1702 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 22:28 - Jul 17 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Sh it as he is, it’s taken a £40M+ wage bill for both of those to get promoted. |
Exactly, were are talking two different strategies. But it can be done on a smaller budget, and it can be done on smaller budget if you are producing a constant flow of talent.
Younger players initially will be on smaller wages, and then rewarded with long term contracts, still only on the similar wage bill as senior pros (Nolan, Judge), so we aren’t ever going to pay an academy product anymore on that second contract than a journeyman would get.
I know what I prefer. | |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 23:12 - Jul 17 with 1698 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 21:40 - Jul 17 by BlueBadger |
Lambert will only squander them, like he has every other resource he's had at ITFC. |
Don’t think that is necessarily true. | |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 23:46 - Jul 17 with 1656 views | istanblue |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 21:11 - Jul 17 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
There’s levels in this game. Their ambitions are in a totally different dimension to us, look at their manager, look at their squad, look at their recruitment.
They just have different ways to running the club to Evans.
Evans is going down a different route (academy graduates) and hopefully in years to follow, IF that production that continues and IF Evans continues to hold on to the academy graduates as he is showing desire to do, then I think it will prove to be a very good plan from Evans. |
You mean we should become like Col U? |  | | |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 23:47 - Jul 17 with 1658 views | BlueBadger |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 23:12 - Jul 17 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Don’t think that is necessarily true. |
Which part of two generous transfer budgets, a large squad and fan goodwill hasn't he utterly spunked away? Hell, not even any Town legends would go to dinner with him anymore, even if there wasn't a global pandemic on. | |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 00:33 - Jul 18 with 1614 views | Darth_Koont |
Based on budget and expected performance, how did we rate our manager in 2017/18?
There's most of the answer. |  |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 07:41 - Jul 18 with 1445 views | Mullet |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 21:11 - Jul 17 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
There’s levels in this game. Their ambitions are in a totally different dimension to us, look at their manager, look at their squad, look at their recruitment.
They just have different ways to running the club to Evans.
Evans is going down a different route (academy graduates) and hopefully in years to follow, IF that production that continues and IF Evans continues to hold on to the academy graduates as he is showing desire to do, then I think it will prove to be a very good plan from Evans. |
He's doing that because he got rid of MM and Hurst and Lambert have forced that scenario on us.
There's no getting around it, those loud fans who then became the majority were wrong. It was clear to a lot of us then, after and still is now.
Evans has totally fcuked the club because he listened to fans who shouted loudest from behind their bedsheets time and again. |  |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 07:48 - Jul 18 with 1436 views | blueconscience |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 07:41 - Jul 18 by Mullet |
He's doing that because he got rid of MM and Hurst and Lambert have forced that scenario on us.
There's no getting around it, those loud fans who then became the majority were wrong. It was clear to a lot of us then, after and still is now.
Evans has totally fcuked the club because he listened to fans who shouted loudest from behind their bedsheets time and again. |
Ok, it is the fans fault.  |  |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 07:49 - Jul 18 with 1434 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 07:41 - Jul 18 by Mullet |
He's doing that because he got rid of MM and Hurst and Lambert have forced that scenario on us.
There's no getting around it, those loud fans who then became the majority were wrong. It was clear to a lot of us then, after and still is now.
Evans has totally fcuked the club because he listened to fans who shouted loudest from behind their bedsheets time and again. |
You’ll get an ‘emergency pod’ with accusations like that! 😂 |  | | |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 07:56 - Jul 18 with 1422 views | Mullet |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 07:48 - Jul 18 by blueconscience |
Ok, it is the fans fault. |
You can't have it both ways. Getting rid of MM was about "ambition". We're now at the lowest point in our entire history and travelling in one direction. It's a fact that we still finished above two promoted teams who were in a mess (in Leed's case it was over a decade of mess) and the interim has seen this happen.
The fact that we are looking at 9k season ticket holders is interesting. We were warned about the spectre of 12k crowds under MM as the end of the line. In Div 3 9k is bloody impressive and to be applauded, but like the league finishes, it's miles off where the Mick Out lot demanded/pretended/invented etc. | |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 07:58 - Jul 18 with 1419 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 07:56 - Jul 18 by Mullet |
You can't have it both ways. Getting rid of MM was about "ambition". We're now at the lowest point in our entire history and travelling in one direction. It's a fact that we still finished above two promoted teams who were in a mess (in Leed's case it was over a decade of mess) and the interim has seen this happen.
The fact that we are looking at 9k season ticket holders is interesting. We were warned about the spectre of 12k crowds under MM as the end of the line. In Div 3 9k is bloody impressive and to be applauded, but like the league finishes, it's miles off where the Mick Out lot demanded/pretended/invented etc. |
Bielsa is actually likeable, just that Leeds aren’t.
No idea why Bielsa is living in council house semi in Wetherby though
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 08:02 - Jul 18 with 1406 views | Mullet |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 07:58 - Jul 18 by ElderGrizzly |
Bielsa is actually likeable, just that Leeds aren’t.
No idea why Bielsa is living in council house semi in Wetherby though
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I'm a big fan of his and was gutted he went there. Sitting there watching him give Hurst a lesson was fascinating and depressing in equal measure. I was hoping he'd fail there and be able to go out blaming the club, but like everything else it hasn't gone how it was supposed to.
But the fact that Leeds are "massive" and have all these fans etc. and took 16 years to get back up should be the starkest lesson of all to those still in denial about BCWYWF. | |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 08:10 - Jul 18 with 1394 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 08:02 - Jul 18 by Mullet |
I'm a big fan of his and was gutted he went there. Sitting there watching him give Hurst a lesson was fascinating and depressing in equal measure. I was hoping he'd fail there and be able to go out blaming the club, but like everything else it hasn't gone how it was supposed to.
But the fact that Leeds are "massive" and have all these fans etc. and took 16 years to get back up should be the starkest lesson of all to those still in denial about BCWYWF. |
They’re paying him £6m a year to be there. I’m sure he loves his job, but that helps ‘buy’ your way up. | | | |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 08:16 - Jul 18 with 1375 views | blueconscience |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 07:56 - Jul 18 by Mullet |
You can't have it both ways. Getting rid of MM was about "ambition". We're now at the lowest point in our entire history and travelling in one direction. It's a fact that we still finished above two promoted teams who were in a mess (in Leed's case it was over a decade of mess) and the interim has seen this happen.
The fact that we are looking at 9k season ticket holders is interesting. We were warned about the spectre of 12k crowds under MM as the end of the line. In Div 3 9k is bloody impressive and to be applauded, but like the league finishes, it's miles off where the Mick Out lot demanded/pretended/invented etc. |
We weren’t exactly great before MM took over. And it really doesn’t matter who is manager here, they will all fail working under Evans and his lackeys. [Post edited 18 Jul 2020 8:22]
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 09:14 - Jul 18 with 1284 views | Radlett_blue |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 21:11 - Jul 17 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
There’s levels in this game. Their ambitions are in a totally different dimension to us, look at their manager, look at their squad, look at their recruitment.
They just have different ways to running the club to Evans.
Evans is going down a different route (academy graduates) and hopefully in years to follow, IF that production that continues and IF Evans continues to hold on to the academy graduates as he is showing desire to do, then I think it will prove to be a very good plan from Evans. |
The major flaw in this "plan" is that (1) our best academy prospects get nicked by Category 1 clubs before they're near kicking a ball for the Town first XI and (2) even if they do mature into first XI players, they will get bought relatively cheaply by clubs higher up the football pyramid. Let's see how long Downes & Woolfenden stay & what we get for them. |  |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 09:22 - Jul 18 with 1255 views | DinnernotTea |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 23:12 - Jul 17 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Exactly, were are talking two different strategies. But it can be done on a smaller budget, and it can be done on smaller budget if you are producing a constant flow of talent.
Younger players initially will be on smaller wages, and then rewarded with long term contracts, still only on the similar wage bill as senior pros (Nolan, Judge), so we aren’t ever going to pay an academy product anymore on that second contract than a journeyman would get.
I know what I prefer. |
You're forgetting we haven't created a bonafide Prem player since Conor Wickham, 2009? What I mean is for more than 10 years yes we produce players in the academy but we go way over the top in regards to how good they are. Other than Wickham I can't remember any going to directly to a Prem club since.
Oh and this master plan of yours would work if said academy boys were kept longer, Wickham signed a long term deal then 8 weeks later was sold. Face it, Evans couldn't give a toss whatever league we're in. | |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 09:41 - Jul 18 with 1200 views | patrickswell |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 08:16 - Jul 18 by blueconscience |
We weren’t exactly great before MM took over. And it really doesn’t matter who is manager here, they will all fail working under Evans and his lackeys. [Post edited 18 Jul 2020 8:22]
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But we were at our greatest in the Evans era under MM but at the point when we needed Evans to allow us to bring in greater quality to push on from 6th to the automatic places, we got radio silence and a fixation on trying to set an example on FFP instead. The fact Evans might get that FFP but in a way that could lock us into this division or lower for years is yet another example of his capacity to endlessly make the wrong decision at the wrong time and find himself outflanked by factors he can’t control after cocking up the ones that he could.
He is the Chris Grayling of football owners and he’s handed his much vaunted strategy to a manager who has a record of failure and worthlessness stretching back eight years ncluding two of them here at the second and third tiers. This isn’t the Cobbolds throwing their weight behind Bobby Robson as he battles to keep a team in the top flight with aspirations towards bringing through his own players. | | | |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 09:59 - Jul 18 with 1169 views | pointofblue |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 07:56 - Jul 18 by Mullet |
You can't have it both ways. Getting rid of MM was about "ambition". We're now at the lowest point in our entire history and travelling in one direction. It's a fact that we still finished above two promoted teams who were in a mess (in Leed's case it was over a decade of mess) and the interim has seen this happen.
The fact that we are looking at 9k season ticket holders is interesting. We were warned about the spectre of 12k crowds under MM as the end of the line. In Div 3 9k is bloody impressive and to be applauded, but like the league finishes, it's miles off where the Mick Out lot demanded/pretended/invented etc. |
Although if Mick had stayed, in all likelihood we’d be looking at around 10k season ticket holders and even more of a divide between the management team and the fan base. The fans were crucial at driving Mick out but the collapse of the relationship had two parties; as much as I agree that he’s been Ipswich’s best manager under Evans he didn’t make any attempt to build bridges with those who were growing restless at the start, instead lashing out at a time when placating words made have healed the paper cut before it became a gaping wound.
It also felt like we were slipping back somewhat from where we wanted be, that we were simply treading water. Admittedly this is better than sinking but in March 2018 Portman Road felt like a festering pool of festering and loathing from all sides, management, players and fans. Despite the hideous results at the end of the truncated season, the atmosphere was still far better two years on even with the chants against Evans and Lambert starting to grow.
Looking back, would we have had a go at the top six had Mick stayed for 2018/2019? Certainly we would have not got gone down but so much work off the pitch would have had to gone in over the summer to try and start the season with at least a truce. Would Mick have put in the effort? Would the fans? I highly doubt it on both score.
To be blunt football is an entertainment business and I remember one game under Mick where the fans were far more excited about the actions of a carrier bag which had been blown on to the pitch. He deserved more investment, he didn’t get it, and he worked with one arm behind his back. But times had come to a natural end, accelerated by the response and counter-response, and at the time Hurst looked like a very logical appointment. Why he decided to make the decisions he made, in terms of personnel, may forever remain a mystery but just because it fell apart under him doesn’t necessary mean it was the wrong time to see Mick go. | |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 11:09 - Jul 18 with 1097 views | judespiveyg |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 07:56 - Jul 18 by Mullet |
You can't have it both ways. Getting rid of MM was about "ambition". We're now at the lowest point in our entire history and travelling in one direction. It's a fact that we still finished above two promoted teams who were in a mess (in Leed's case it was over a decade of mess) and the interim has seen this happen.
The fact that we are looking at 9k season ticket holders is interesting. We were warned about the spectre of 12k crowds under MM as the end of the line. In Div 3 9k is bloody impressive and to be applauded, but like the league finishes, it's miles off where the Mick Out lot demanded/pretended/invented etc. |
I still think you're wide of the mark on the fans true frustrations at McCarthy. It wasn't the mid table finishes that frustrated the majority, but the unwatchable football. Entertainment is equally as important as results when watching football. And I think the thousands who stayed away were what really influenced Evans rather than those who were loudest in their displeasure. |  |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 11:13 - Jul 18 with 1087 views | Mullet |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 09:59 - Jul 18 by pointofblue |
Although if Mick had stayed, in all likelihood we’d be looking at around 10k season ticket holders and even more of a divide between the management team and the fan base. The fans were crucial at driving Mick out but the collapse of the relationship had two parties; as much as I agree that he’s been Ipswich’s best manager under Evans he didn’t make any attempt to build bridges with those who were growing restless at the start, instead lashing out at a time when placating words made have healed the paper cut before it became a gaping wound.
It also felt like we were slipping back somewhat from where we wanted be, that we were simply treading water. Admittedly this is better than sinking but in March 2018 Portman Road felt like a festering pool of festering and loathing from all sides, management, players and fans. Despite the hideous results at the end of the truncated season, the atmosphere was still far better two years on even with the chants against Evans and Lambert starting to grow.
Looking back, would we have had a go at the top six had Mick stayed for 2018/2019? Certainly we would have not got gone down but so much work off the pitch would have had to gone in over the summer to try and start the season with at least a truce. Would Mick have put in the effort? Would the fans? I highly doubt it on both score.
To be blunt football is an entertainment business and I remember one game under Mick where the fans were far more excited about the actions of a carrier bag which had been blown on to the pitch. He deserved more investment, he didn’t get it, and he worked with one arm behind his back. But times had come to a natural end, accelerated by the response and counter-response, and at the time Hurst looked like a very logical appointment. Why he decided to make the decisions he made, in terms of personnel, may forever remain a mystery but just because it fell apart under him doesn’t necessary mean it was the wrong time to see Mick go. |
That's all great but rather glosses over the fact we've won barely a quarter of matches since MM left and seen all our best assets sold off and replaced with expensive flops, disjointed recruitment and performances that all trump even the most well-worn sob stories used to prove Mick had to go.
If we were winning all of that stuff disappears as it did every time under Jim, Royle, Burley etc. Certainly keeping Didsy/Waghorn/Webster/Garner et al. in various combinations and MM's recruitment savvy indicates we would more likely have been back in the top half at least. Had we lost the most negative hangers on and gone to 10k would that be a bad thing? Certainly not as bad as things are now.
Where have the banners, the rage the consistency been since? We had people coming to games under MM desperate to boo and kick off and get that atmosphere going, then under Hurst and Lambert the opposite almost. The hypocrisy and lack of honesty from that contingent is deafening. | |
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| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 11:16 - Jul 18 with 1079 views | Mullet |
| Without wishing to make Leeds’s promotion into too much of an Evans bashin on 11:09 - Jul 18 by judespiveyg |
I still think you're wide of the mark on the fans true frustrations at McCarthy. It wasn't the mid table finishes that frustrated the majority, but the unwatchable football. Entertainment is equally as important as results when watching football. And I think the thousands who stayed away were what really influenced Evans rather than those who were loudest in their displeasure. |
With all due, you've been "way off" on pretty much everything when it comes to the past 5 years it seems. Whereas those of us who suggested how much of a good job MM was doing etc......
It was everything and anything under MM by the end. The desperation was palpable. Much like all the revision and "I never enjoyed it when we scraped 6th" type bobbins that came out since. | |
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