| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 10:41 - Jul 21 with 1921 views | tonybied |
I was thinking about this the other day. I guess as the majority of covid deaths are of people in the 70+ age group that death rates will be below average for a while until its evened back out (or it gets back out of control again)! |  | |  |
| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 10:50 - Jul 21 with 1904 views | SaleAway |
I've been thinking about this - given the demographics of the deaths are old and infirm people, it will be interesting to track the deaths over the next few years, and see what happens. Its interesting in that whenever we have problems with population demographics (in current case, an ageing population), something comes along to "rebalance" it. |  |
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| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 11:16 - Jul 21 with 1857 views | Fixed_It |
| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 10:50 - Jul 21 by SaleAway |
I've been thinking about this - given the demographics of the deaths are old and infirm people, it will be interesting to track the deaths over the next few years, and see what happens. Its interesting in that whenever we have problems with population demographics (in current case, an ageing population), something comes along to "rebalance" it. |
God works in mysterious ways. Or something.like that. |  |
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| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 11:16 - Jul 21 with 1858 views | longtimefan |
| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 10:50 - Jul 21 by SaleAway |
I've been thinking about this - given the demographics of the deaths are old and infirm people, it will be interesting to track the deaths over the next few years, and see what happens. Its interesting in that whenever we have problems with population demographics (in current case, an ageing population), something comes along to "rebalance" it. |
If you look at the weekly ONS report, the figure for excess deaths from the start of the year has been reducing for the last 3 or 4 weeks. | | | |
| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 11:34 - Jul 21 with 1843 views | Basuco |
The death rate was quite a bit below the 5 year average in Jan and Feb this year, this was suggested to be due to there being not too many deaths from flu this year. It looks like this year would have a low death rate had there been no Covid virus. Good news that the death rate is now below that average again. The bad news is that a significant number of people that had the virus and "got over it" are suffering with after effects of low cognition, short term memory loss, extreme tiredness and breathlessness. |  | | |
| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 11:40 - Jul 21 with 1835 views | Steve_M |
Yes, that will certainly be true in some cases and the deaths of some of the most elderly and vulnerable may have only been advanced by a few months.However, that neither accounts for the clear increase in deaths for a sustained period earlier this year nor the circumstances in which many died - isolated from family and friends. |  |
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| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 11:50 - Jul 21 with 1811 views | Darth_Koont |
| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 11:40 - Jul 21 by Steve_M |
Yes, that will certainly be true in some cases and the deaths of some of the most elderly and vulnerable may have only been advanced by a few months.However, that neither accounts for the clear increase in deaths for a sustained period earlier this year nor the circumstances in which many died - isolated from family and friends. |
Indeed.
Even for the group whose lives have been shortened minimally by days, weeks or months, the traumatic circumstance of their passing remains for those suddenly left behind. |  |
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| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 11:53 - Jul 21 with 1808 views | Basuco |
I would also add that as the death rate was below the 5 year average pre-covid, then if the actual deaths this year are 65,00 to 70,000 above that, then the number of Covid deaths will be above the quoted excess death numbers. How far below the 5 year average Britain would have been during March and April would be a guess but this shows the shocking toll of virus deaths in Britain. | | | |
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| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 20:58 - Jul 21 with 1596 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 11:53 - Jul 21 by Basuco |
I would also add that as the death rate was below the 5 year average pre-covid, then if the actual deaths this year are 65,00 to 70,000 above that, then the number of Covid deaths will be above the quoted excess death numbers. How far below the 5 year average Britain would have been during March and April would be a guess but this shows the shocking toll of virus deaths in Britain. |
Influenza deaths have been below average for last two winters.resulting in Covid-19 have easy pickings.
Ther3is always an alternative view if you seek it out. |  |
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| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 22:41 - Jul 21 with 1556 views | 26_Paz |
More deaths at the moment from flu and pneumonia than COVID. I’m not saying we shouldn’t stay cautious, events of March and April show that if you don’t keep a lid on this thing it will spread like wildfire and cause no end of problems. I think what these stats do show is that it’s now time to start getting back out there, back into restaurants, offices etc. This thing isn’t going to go away completely for a while, if we’re not gonna go for it now we won’t for a long time. |  |
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| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 23:55 - Jul 21 with 1534 views | SpruceMoose |
| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 22:41 - Jul 21 by 26_Paz |
More deaths at the moment from flu and pneumonia than COVID. I’m not saying we shouldn’t stay cautious, events of March and April show that if you don’t keep a lid on this thing it will spread like wildfire and cause no end of problems. I think what these stats do show is that it’s now time to start getting back out there, back into restaurants, offices etc. This thing isn’t going to go away completely for a while, if we’re not gonna go for it now we won’t for a long time. |
Mate, the number is low because people have by and large been doing the right thing. Stop doing the right thing and shït hits the fan. You've done half a job. Finish it off.
Lovingly yours,
America |  |
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| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 00:03 - Jul 22 with 1527 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I think you have misunderstood this data entirely with your statement after the link.
The rate of excess deaths has been above the official Covid figures for considerable time meaning it has killed many people who were not going to die at that time. Of course they were going to die anyway - we all are!
The rate has dropped below for the most recent week of data - effectively Covid deaths are now at a very low rate, which is what the official data for Covid deaths states too. The reason why excess deaths is lower now is because less traffic and people in work, etc means fewer traffic- and work-related deaths. |  |
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| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 05:59 - Jul 22 with 1475 views | solomon |
| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 23:55 - Jul 21 by SpruceMoose |
Mate, the number is low because people have by and large been doing the right thing. Stop doing the right thing and shït hits the fan. You've done half a job. Finish it off.
Lovingly yours,
America |
Indeed, much the same thing will happen here again after August 1st
Offices will be a breeding ground for the second wave. |  | | |
| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 06:33 - Jul 22 with 1462 views | bluelagos |
| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 11:50 - Jul 21 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed.
Even for the group whose lives have been shortened minimally by days, weeks or months, the traumatic circumstance of their passing remains for those suddenly left behind. |
This. My mate lost his Dad (not CV) in the middle of lockdown. He could not go and see him one last time (he knew he was dieing) and then was one of only 7 mourners at his father's funeral. He was not allowed to hug his mother.
Experiences like that are not something people can shrug off and will live with him a long time.
Was recently speaking to a family member, a specialist in CV recovery who was clear that we are only slowly learning the long term effects for those most severely hit with CV.
Whilst it is apparent CV targets the older and more vulnerable in society, it is also apparent the social impact hits everyone as the need to lockdown and/or amend our lives is universal.
Fcking horrible disease but we will get through it, albeit at a massive human, social and financial cost. |  |
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| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 07:53 - Jul 22 with 1420 views | 26_Paz |
| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 23:55 - Jul 21 by SpruceMoose |
Mate, the number is low because people have by and large been doing the right thing. Stop doing the right thing and shït hits the fan. You've done half a job. Finish it off.
Lovingly yours,
America |
I agree with you. What I’m saying is that the right thing when rates of cases and deaths are extremely low is not necessarily the same as what the right thing is when it’s absolutely rampant. When the rate is low, I believe, the right thing is to cautiously (and I stress that word) get more stuff open and get more people out there. | |
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| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 08:37 - Jul 22 with 1367 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 07:53 - Jul 22 by 26_Paz |
I agree with you. What I’m saying is that the right thing when rates of cases and deaths are extremely low is not necessarily the same as what the right thing is when it’s absolutely rampant. When the rate is low, I believe, the right thing is to cautiously (and I stress that word) get more stuff open and get more people out there. |
Isn’t that just what Boris is doing. The other thing to take into account is that some will be more reluctant than others to return to ‘normal’. An alternative viewpoint would be to say some will be more reckless.
Proceed with caution, at your own pace. | |
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| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 08:41 - Jul 22 with 1364 views | 26_Paz |
| Coronavirus: Excess deaths fall below five-year average in all but one England r on 08:37 - Jul 22 by Pinewoodblue |
Isn’t that just what Boris is doing. The other thing to take into account is that some will be more reluctant than others to return to ‘normal’. An alternative viewpoint would be to say some will be more reckless.
Proceed with caution, at your own pace. |
Yeah, can’t argue with that mate. | |
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