ITFC timing is always bad 14:03 - Aug 7 with 5132 views | kizaitfc | Premier League relegation we missed out on parachute payments by 1 or 2 years. And now this a year after relegation to League 1. | |
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ITFC timing is always bad on 14:04 - Aug 7 with 4780 views | PhilTWTD | We did get parachute payments but they weren't as high as they subsequently grew to, I think as a result of us, Derby and Leicester all going into administration after relegation in 2002. | | | |
ITFC timing is always bad on 14:14 - Aug 7 with 4726 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
ITFC timing is always bad on 14:04 - Aug 7 by PhilTWTD | We did get parachute payments but they weren't as high as they subsequently grew to, I think as a result of us, Derby and Leicester all going into administration after relegation in 2002. |
Can we throw in the collapse of ITV digital as well? Plus England needing managers at the exact time keeping ours was crucial. | |
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ITFC timing is always bad on 15:09 - Aug 7 with 4656 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
ITFC timing is always bad on 14:14 - Aug 7 by WarkTheWarkITFC | Can we throw in the collapse of ITV digital as well? Plus England needing managers at the exact time keeping ours was crucial. |
3pts for a win instead of 2! | | | |
ITFC timing is always bad on 15:12 - Aug 7 with 4640 views | Wallingford_Boy | Floodlights being mandatory just as electricity costs spiralled in Suffolk.. | |
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ITFC timing is always bad on 15:15 - Aug 7 with 4630 views | GeoffSentence |
ITFC timing is always bad on 14:04 - Aug 7 by PhilTWTD | We did get parachute payments but they weren't as high as they subsequently grew to, I think as a result of us, Derby and Leicester all going into administration after relegation in 2002. |
Are you sure about that Phil? Because I am not. All I can find out there relating to the history of parachute payments is that they came in in 2006-2007. Edit: These people are clever, they went to university and they say 2006/07 https://shura.shu.ac.uk/17115/3/Wilson-ParachutePaymentsInEnglishFootball%28AM%2 [Post edited 7 Aug 2020 15:20]
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ITFC timing is always bad on 15:48 - Aug 7 with 4582 views | PhilTWTD |
Sheepy talking about them in 2002 after our relegation: Sheepy on Finance 6th Sep 2002 12:48Town chairman David Sheepshanks has written about the general financial crisis which has hit football in an article in the Daily Telegraph. 0 | | | |
ITFC timing is always bad on 16:02 - Aug 7 with 4547 views | Steve_M |
ITFC timing is always bad on 15:48 - Aug 7 by PhilTWTD | Sheepy talking about them in 2002 after our relegation: Sheepy on Finance 6th Sep 2002 12:48Town chairman David Sheepshanks has written about the general financial crisis which has hit football in an article in the Daily Telegraph. 0 |
Yep, they were there from the start of the Premier League I think, certainly had been around for a few years by 2002 anyway. Charlton, for example, went up for a season and then came back stronger in 2000. | |
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ITFC timing is always bad on 16:03 - Aug 7 with 4541 views | Mullet |
ITFC timing is always bad on 16:02 - Aug 7 by Steve_M | Yep, they were there from the start of the Premier League I think, certainly had been around for a few years by 2002 anyway. Charlton, for example, went up for a season and then came back stronger in 2000. |
I'm surprised it was as much as £5.5m always thought we got £3.5m for some reason. | |
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ITFC timing is always bad on 16:06 - Aug 7 with 4532 views | PhilTWTD |
ITFC timing is always bad on 16:03 - Aug 7 by Mullet | I'm surprised it was as much as £5.5m always thought we got £3.5m for some reason. |
I found another piece in which I refer to £3.9m. Might be Sheepy talking about what was paid over two seasons and me in the first year after relegation. Town 15th in Cash League 20th May 2002 08:18Figures out over the weekend showed that Town made £14.21 million from Premiership TV revenues last season. The Blues received the 15th largest share of the revenue, despite being relegated. 0 | | | |
ITFC timing is always bad on 16:08 - Aug 7 with 4518 views | Mullet |
ITFC timing is always bad on 16:06 - Aug 7 by PhilTWTD | I found another piece in which I refer to £3.9m. Might be Sheepy talking about what was paid over two seasons and me in the first year after relegation. Town 15th in Cash League 20th May 2002 08:18Figures out over the weekend showed that Town made £14.21 million from Premiership TV revenues last season. The Blues received the 15th largest share of the revenue, despite being relegated. 0 |
Either way it's a pittance and the way in which everything has ballooned by 1000's of % points in the Prem sphere is scandalous. Maguire produced some mindbending stat about how Arsenal had made so much money in the Prem era and the exponential growth that explodes in the past 20 years is staggering. | |
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ITFC timing is always bad on 16:34 - Aug 7 with 4452 views | PhilTWTD |
ITFC timing is always bad on 16:08 - Aug 7 by Mullet | Either way it's a pittance and the way in which everything has ballooned by 1000's of % points in the Prem sphere is scandalous. Maguire produced some mindbending stat about how Arsenal had made so much money in the Prem era and the exponential growth that explodes in the past 20 years is staggering. |
Indeed, nothing like the Championship-distorting levels they've been for the last few seasons. | | | |
ITFC timing is always bad on 17:16 - Aug 7 with 4385 views | GeoffSentence |
ITFC timing is always bad on 15:48 - Aug 7 by PhilTWTD | Sheepy talking about them in 2002 after our relegation: Sheepy on Finance 6th Sep 2002 12:48Town chairman David Sheepshanks has written about the general financial crisis which has hit football in an article in the Daily Telegraph. 0 |
So I wonder why everyone, including those esteemed academics from Sheffield Hallam, thinks that parachute payments only came in to play in 200/07. What was it about 2006/07 that made people think there were PPs in place that weren't before? | |
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ITFC timing is always bad on 17:20 - Aug 7 with 4371 views | PhilTWTD |
ITFC timing is always bad on 17:16 - Aug 7 by GeoffSentence | So I wonder why everyone, including those esteemed academics from Sheffield Hallam, thinks that parachute payments only came in to play in 200/07. What was it about 2006/07 that made people think there were PPs in place that weren't before? |
Perhaps they got it from Wikipedia, which says they were introduced in 2006/07, which is evidently wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_parachute_and_solidarity_payments | | | |
ITFC timing is always bad on 06:46 - Aug 8 with 4175 views | bournemouthblue | In the last 20 years we have - Built two new stands when crowd revenue is going to become far less important - Been relegated during the collapse of ITV Digital - Missed out on the ballooning parachute payments which probably came as a result of that - Have then had to compete with clubs who did benefit from these large payments - Missed out on the ballooning TV money, rendering crowd revenue virtually pointless at the top-level - We bothered to comply with FFP, making us less competitive overall - The Elite Player Performance programme is introduced so 'Category One' Academies can now poach all your talent before it has a chance to see your first team - Ipswich fail to achieve Category One status whilst Premier League Swansea are granted leniency until their system is up to scratch - Having been relegated to the third tier following Hurst's transfer window from hell for the first time in about 60 years, the season is curtailed early because clubs can't afford CoVid testing. We probably would have missed the play-offs any way but did still have to play Bolton, Southend, Shrewsbury and MK Dons at home - A salary cap is introduced so that all clubs are reduced to the wage expenditure of probably the bottom third of of teams in the League? Why this needs to happen given there are already FFP rules in League One which seem fairly sensible, is anyone's guess. So what if Bury and Bolton were run appallingly badly, it's a punishment for those who are sensibly run. There you go, since relegation, we have always seemed to be the wrong side of history [Post edited 8 Aug 2020 6:54]
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ITFC timing is always bad on 14:38 - Aug 8 with 4056 views | hoppy |
ITFC timing is always bad on 06:46 - Aug 8 by bournemouthblue | In the last 20 years we have - Built two new stands when crowd revenue is going to become far less important - Been relegated during the collapse of ITV Digital - Missed out on the ballooning parachute payments which probably came as a result of that - Have then had to compete with clubs who did benefit from these large payments - Missed out on the ballooning TV money, rendering crowd revenue virtually pointless at the top-level - We bothered to comply with FFP, making us less competitive overall - The Elite Player Performance programme is introduced so 'Category One' Academies can now poach all your talent before it has a chance to see your first team - Ipswich fail to achieve Category One status whilst Premier League Swansea are granted leniency until their system is up to scratch - Having been relegated to the third tier following Hurst's transfer window from hell for the first time in about 60 years, the season is curtailed early because clubs can't afford CoVid testing. We probably would have missed the play-offs any way but did still have to play Bolton, Southend, Shrewsbury and MK Dons at home - A salary cap is introduced so that all clubs are reduced to the wage expenditure of probably the bottom third of of teams in the League? Why this needs to happen given there are already FFP rules in League One which seem fairly sensible, is anyone's guess. So what if Bury and Bolton were run appallingly badly, it's a punishment for those who are sensibly run. There you go, since relegation, we have always seemed to be the wrong side of history [Post edited 8 Aug 2020 6:54]
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Away goals counting or not counting in the play-offs? | |
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ITFC timing is always bad on 14:43 - Aug 8 with 4054 views | jayessess | Maybe it'll be good timing to get back into the Championship with a low wage bill just as the salary cap is forcing everyone else to cut their spending from a high and unwieldy base? | |
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ITFC timing is always bad on 14:50 - Aug 8 with 4032 views | Ewan_Oozami |
ITFC timing is always bad on 14:38 - Aug 8 by hoppy | Away goals counting or not counting in the play-offs? |
That is something ITFC lobbied for after being hit by it a couple of times in the 90s I believe, though I could be wrong.. Or were you being ironic? :-) | |
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ITFC timing is always bad on 19:15 - Aug 8 with 3969 views | patrickswell |
ITFC timing is always bad on 06:46 - Aug 8 by bournemouthblue | In the last 20 years we have - Built two new stands when crowd revenue is going to become far less important - Been relegated during the collapse of ITV Digital - Missed out on the ballooning parachute payments which probably came as a result of that - Have then had to compete with clubs who did benefit from these large payments - Missed out on the ballooning TV money, rendering crowd revenue virtually pointless at the top-level - We bothered to comply with FFP, making us less competitive overall - The Elite Player Performance programme is introduced so 'Category One' Academies can now poach all your talent before it has a chance to see your first team - Ipswich fail to achieve Category One status whilst Premier League Swansea are granted leniency until their system is up to scratch - Having been relegated to the third tier following Hurst's transfer window from hell for the first time in about 60 years, the season is curtailed early because clubs can't afford CoVid testing. We probably would have missed the play-offs any way but did still have to play Bolton, Southend, Shrewsbury and MK Dons at home - A salary cap is introduced so that all clubs are reduced to the wage expenditure of probably the bottom third of of teams in the League? Why this needs to happen given there are already FFP rules in League One which seem fairly sensible, is anyone's guess. So what if Bury and Bolton were run appallingly badly, it's a punishment for those who are sensibly run. There you go, since relegation, we have always seemed to be the wrong side of history [Post edited 8 Aug 2020 6:54]
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Your last point is particularly galling given that Evans tried to be a mover in redressing the balance re parachute payments at Championship level. The Premier League threatened to withhold the EFL’s solidarity payments and instead of presenting a united front against this, Evans’s proposals never even got to a vote. The last 6 months shows that Evans is seen as an irrelevant figure in football with less clout than the owner of Accrington f–-ing Stanley. I can only conclude they see what a lousy job he’s done of running us and collectively spite him because, well, he’s a f–king idiot. | | | |
ITFC timing is always bad on 21:37 - Aug 8 with 3914 views | TieDyedIn95 | It has nothing to do with timing or luck and everything to do with terrible leadership. You get what you deserve in football, Ipswich is a great club with an excellent fan base but a totally incompetent owner who's found his level in the game in League One sadly. If he didn't want to be here he should have done more to stay up. He had plenty of opportunity to do so, and better but chose not to. Yeah he throws millions away every year on nothing but from a business perspective anyone who chucks millions at something to achieve nothing is equally not every good at business, even less so someone who's lost what close to 100mill in a decade on a business, which is what Evans has done at Ipswich. He's not the evil millionaire the Out group makes him out to be, he's just really crap at his role here and thats a fact. | |
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ITFC timing is always bad on 00:35 - Aug 9 with 3854 views | patrickswell |
Just further on this tack, I have a memory of listening to John Kerr being interviewed by Bryan Knights on the Soccerline after relegation in 1995 and Kerr mentioning that we would receive £1 million in both of the following two seasons from the Premier League so as to cushion lost revenue. | | | |
ITFC timing is always bad on 02:28 - Aug 9 with 3826 views | bournemouthblue |
ITFC timing is always bad on 14:50 - Aug 8 by Ewan_Oozami | That is something ITFC lobbied for after being hit by it a couple of times in the 90s I believe, though I could be wrong.. Or were you being ironic? :-) |
Yes we appealed against it, having hampered us previously? Sheepshanks was fairly well respected in the league hierarchies back then | |
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ITFC timing is always bad on 02:35 - Aug 9 with 3822 views | bournemouthblue |
ITFC timing is always bad on 21:37 - Aug 8 by TieDyedIn95 | It has nothing to do with timing or luck and everything to do with terrible leadership. You get what you deserve in football, Ipswich is a great club with an excellent fan base but a totally incompetent owner who's found his level in the game in League One sadly. If he didn't want to be here he should have done more to stay up. He had plenty of opportunity to do so, and better but chose not to. Yeah he throws millions away every year on nothing but from a business perspective anyone who chucks millions at something to achieve nothing is equally not every good at business, even less so someone who's lost what close to 100mill in a decade on a business, which is what Evans has done at Ipswich. He's not the evil millionaire the Out group makes him out to be, he's just really crap at his role here and thats a fact. |
You're not far wrong there but it would be naive to assume some of these circumstances haven't hampered us further There's no doubt the parachute payments system has made it increasingly hard for clubs out of the Premiership for a long time to return Forest, Wednesday, Coventry, Bradford and a few others, certainly haven't managed it, nor have they ever really looked likely to Leeds have only just got back Leicester despite recent successes found it hard despite bouncing back at the first time of asking. It took wealthy Thai owners to turn them around. Derby have managed one season in the Premier League since coming down with us and I'm sure they'd rather forget that one Complying with FFP seems to have been a waste of time with the Football League moving the goalposts and enforcing it pretty weakly by in large. I always wondered if the club's who had complied could sue the Football League for a restraint of trade The Elite Player Performance Programme has also meant a lot of young prospects who may have a crack at first team football before moving onto better things are leaving clubs at 15 or 16 now Ipswich have lost three notable talents who would surely still be here and knocking on the door of the first team There are winners and losers, we have very much fallen into the losers category and have fallen behind a lot of far smaller clubs in the last 20 years All very depressing indeed, our fans deserve far better than this [Post edited 9 Aug 2020 9:17]
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ITFC timing is always bad on 08:53 - Aug 9 with 3689 views | hoppy |
ITFC timing is always bad on 14:50 - Aug 8 by Ewan_Oozami | That is something ITFC lobbied for after being hit by it a couple of times in the 90s I believe, though I could be wrong.. Or were you being ironic? :-) |
Yes, I know Sheepy managed to get it changed after we’d failed on it twice, but didn’t we then fall foul of it since it’s been changed where if it had still been the other way we would’ve benefitted? Vague memory. | |
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ITFC timing is always bad on 09:19 - Aug 9 with 3654 views | bournemouthblue |
ITFC timing is always bad on 08:53 - Aug 9 by hoppy | Yes, I know Sheepy managed to get it changed after we’d failed on it twice, but didn’t we then fall foul of it since it’s been changed where if it had still been the other way we would’ve benefitted? Vague memory. |
I don't think so - We lost to West Ham outright on both occasions since? The Bolton game went to extra time, would we have been knocked out in away goals there? | |
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ITFC timing is always bad on 09:24 - Aug 9 with 3640 views | MaySixth | We can't blame anyone else for our ineptitude in the transfer market in the 2001 2002 season | |
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