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Coming up: the most extraordinary thread I’ve ever written. On how we blew over £150m and Andrew Mills (a Government adviser) seems to have made a fortune.
Taking aside that Boris is a tw@t, and we did this story yesterday, that’s unfair on Churchill.
The Beveridge report was commissioned under Churchill and the Tories had a Universal health care system, free at the point of use in their 1945 manifesto.
Boris is like Churchill(Churchill who opposed the creation of the NHS)... on 18:12 - Aug 7 by GlasgowBlue
Taking aside that Boris is a tw@t, and we did this story yesterday, that’s unfair on Churchill.
The Beveridge report was commissioned under Churchill and the Tories had a Universal health care system, free at the point of use in their 1945 manifesto.
Boris is like Churchill(Churchill who opposed the creation of the NHS)... on 11:54 - Aug 8 by Darth_Koont
It's a bit deceitful. Labour had a state health service as official party policy in 1934, which they enacted once they got into power in 1945.
Good that the Tories eventually embraced it too but, as they say, talk is cheap.
Where is the deceit? All three of the major parties had the NHS in the 1945 manifesto
Tories "The health services of the country will be made available to all citizens. Everyone will contribute to the cost, and no one will be denied the attention, the treatment or the appliances he requires because he cannot afford them. We propose to create a comprehensive health service covering the whole range of medical treatment from the general practitioner to the specialist, and from the hospital to convalescence and rehabilitation"
Liberals "People cannot be happy unless they are healthy. The Liberal aim is a social policy which will help to conquer disease by prevention as well as cure, through good housing, improved nutrition, the lifting of strains and worries caused by fear of unemployment, and through intensified medical research. The Liberal Party’s detailed proposals for improved health services would leave patients free to choose their doctor, for the general practitioner is an invaluable asset in our social life"
Labour "By good food and good homes, much avoidable ill-health can be prevented. In addition the best health services should be available free for all. Money must no longer be the passport to the best treatment. In the new National Health Service there should be health centres where the people may get the best that modern science can offer, more and better hospitals, and proper conditions for our doctors and nurses. More research is required into the causes of disease and the ways to prevent and cure it".
And I linked an address that is an historical archive from Henry Willink, Minister of Health, announcing the creation of the NHS a full year before the election that was won by Labour.
All of the above is historically factual and there isn't an ounce of deceit contained in my op.
Boris is like Churchill(Churchill who opposed the creation of the NHS)... on 13:28 - Aug 8 by GlasgowBlue
Where is the deceit? All three of the major parties had the NHS in the 1945 manifesto
Tories "The health services of the country will be made available to all citizens. Everyone will contribute to the cost, and no one will be denied the attention, the treatment or the appliances he requires because he cannot afford them. We propose to create a comprehensive health service covering the whole range of medical treatment from the general practitioner to the specialist, and from the hospital to convalescence and rehabilitation"
Liberals "People cannot be happy unless they are healthy. The Liberal aim is a social policy which will help to conquer disease by prevention as well as cure, through good housing, improved nutrition, the lifting of strains and worries caused by fear of unemployment, and through intensified medical research. The Liberal Party’s detailed proposals for improved health services would leave patients free to choose their doctor, for the general practitioner is an invaluable asset in our social life"
Labour "By good food and good homes, much avoidable ill-health can be prevented. In addition the best health services should be available free for all. Money must no longer be the passport to the best treatment. In the new National Health Service there should be health centres where the people may get the best that modern science can offer, more and better hospitals, and proper conditions for our doctors and nurses. More research is required into the causes of disease and the ways to prevent and cure it".
And I linked an address that is an historical archive from Henry Willink, Minister of Health, announcing the creation of the NHS a full year before the election that was won by Labour.
All of the above is historically factual and there isn't an ounce of deceit contained in my op.
Yes, it became cross-party.
It's a bit deceitful to try and suggest that the Tories were the instigators or indeed that they subsequently didn't try to block Nye Bevan's wider vision.
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Boris is like Churchill(Churchill who opposed the creation of the NHS)... on 14:10 - Aug 8 with 1345 views
Boris is like Churchill(Churchill who opposed the creation of the NHS)... on 13:50 - Aug 8 by Darth_Koont
Yes, it became cross-party.
It's a bit deceitful to try and suggest that the Tories were the instigators or indeed that they subsequently didn't try to block Nye Bevan's wider vision.
I didn't say they were the instigators. I said it was unfair to label Churchill as being opposed to the NHS when it was his government that commissioned the Beveridge report, that his own Health Minister had announced that they would implement an NHS a year before the election and that all three major political parties put the NHS in their manifestos for the 1945 general election.
As the Lib Dem blog I linked says, a Conservative post-war government under Churchill was fully signed up to introducing the NHS. A Liberal post-war government under Sinclair was fully signed up to introducing the NHS. A Labour post-war government under Attlee was fully signed up to introducing the NHS.