| Grizzle bloke 15:39 - Aug 8 with 34983 views | bluelagos |
So - If - as reported France ends up on the list of quarantine countries and off the FCO list of places to go to....what are the implications for travel?
Can you still travel - but at your own risk?
Presume UK travel insurances wouldn't cover any claims?
Would the EU health card thing (for emergency treatment) still cover you?
Would car/motorbike insurance be valid?
14 days q. on arrival back home if fairly self explanatory.
Have a trip booked where we are transiting France only*...so not worried about the CV risk itself as are flexible and can easily avoid areas with high outbreaks.
(*If we headed to Belgium - it could literally be for 30 minutes... - if Belgium were not also on the list too)
**I fully accept 99% if people wouldn't consider this. Which is fine - good luck to you. Don't need a lecture, just wanting to understand the implications so we can make an informed decision on what is the best thing to do.
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| Grizzle bloke on 12:50 - Aug 9 with 5351 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:01 - Aug 9 by Libero |
I’m assuming you’re flying there?
Which renders your last paragraph irrelevant unfortunately. |
No it doesn’t. |  |
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| Grizzle bloke on 14:23 - Aug 9 with 5291 views | 26_Paz |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:01 - Aug 9 by Libero |
I’m assuming you’re flying there?
Which renders your last paragraph irrelevant unfortunately. |
He’s flying from somewhere with practically no corona to somewhere with practically no corona, minimal risk, no dramas here |  |
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| Grizzle bloke on 14:29 - Aug 9 with 5287 views | ronnyd |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:01 - Aug 9 by Libero |
I’m assuming you’re flying there?
Which renders your last paragraph irrelevant unfortunately. |
I read somewhere, sorry, don't have a link, that an epidemiologist stated that "i would rather be on a plane than in a pub at the moment". Something to do with ventilation/air circulation perhaps? |  | | |
| Grizzle bloke on 16:04 - Aug 9 with 5263 views | Libero |
| Grizzle bloke on 14:23 - Aug 9 by 26_Paz |
He’s flying from somewhere with practically no corona to somewhere with practically no corona, minimal risk, no dramas here |
I’ve had this conversation with you before, not prepared to tread over old ground. |  | | |
| Grizzle bloke on 16:06 - Aug 9 with 5260 views | Libero |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:50 - Aug 9 by Pinewoodblue |
No it doesn’t. |
Outstanding counter argument. | | | |
| Grizzle bloke on 16:23 - Aug 9 with 5234 views | 26_Paz |
| Grizzle bloke on 16:04 - Aug 9 by Libero |
I’ve had this conversation with you before, not prepared to tread over old ground. |
What’s different about being on a plane to being on a train or bus? People are getting them regularly again now without many issues. Why is flying different? | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 17:17 - Aug 9 with 5212 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Grizzle bloke on 16:06 - Aug 9 by Libero |
Outstanding counter argument. |
Difficult to counter a bland statement such as yours. | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 19:53 - Aug 9 with 5171 views | linhdi |
| Grizzle bloke on 16:23 - Aug 9 by 26_Paz |
What’s different about being on a plane to being on a train or bus? People are getting them regularly again now without many issues. Why is flying different? |
Closer proximity to more people for longer. | | | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 21:30 - Aug 9 with 5134 views | vapour_trail |
| Grizzle bloke on 19:53 - Aug 9 by linhdi |
Closer proximity to more people for longer. |
I was on a plane two days ago. From Southend. I’ve never had such a relaxed day of travel in my life. Our plane was at a third capacity. Extraordinary.
Stay away from the lakes. |  |
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| Grizzle bloke on 21:34 - Aug 9 with 5129 views | jeera |
| Grizzle bloke on 21:30 - Aug 9 by vapour_trail |
I was on a plane two days ago. From Southend. I’ve never had such a relaxed day of travel in my life. Our plane was at a third capacity. Extraordinary.
Stay away from the lakes. |
Southend?
Where does that go to? Or rather, where does Southend serve?
Was it a seaplane, as you mention the lakes? |  |
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| Grizzle bloke on 21:36 - Aug 9 with 5125 views | textbackup |
| Grizzle bloke on 08:55 - Aug 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Not that it’s any of your business but I’m currently losing about two grand a week, which is sustainable in the short term but not in the long. That has nothing to do with my own or my wife’s personal finances.
You have no idea whether I have a mortgage or not, or whether I needed to take any break in payment so is suggest you keep you insinuations to yourself.
I will barely see my daughter over the next three years and then she’s moving stateside, so I’m sure you wouldn’t begrudge us one last family holiday. [Post edited 9 Aug 2020 9:03]
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ive seen my daughters 24/7 for the last 6months..... every second of every day..... I can loan them out for a bit if you'd like?! they are 8 and 6 so come with serious health warnings I might add |  |
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| Grizzle bloke on 21:44 - Aug 9 with 5109 views | jeera |
| Grizzle bloke on 21:36 - Aug 9 by textbackup |
ive seen my daughters 24/7 for the last 6months..... every second of every day..... I can loan them out for a bit if you'd like?! they are 8 and 6 so come with serious health warnings I might add |
That actually made me laugh.
I've seen this within my own [near] family. | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 21:54 - Aug 9 with 5100 views | jaykay |
| Grizzle bloke on 16:23 - Aug 9 by 26_Paz |
What’s different about being on a plane to being on a train or bus? People are getting them regularly again now without many issues. Why is flying different? |
not a poke at you, but coming from a relative free covid zone and going to one, would be great if you didnt come into contact with no one.
you go to a airport, people from all over the u.k. there which could have come from a high risk area. you get on a plane with people who also maybe from a high risk area.
so you could be very unlucky and catch covid then pass it on to a very low risk area like rhodes.
as i said no ruck with you but showing you coming from a low risk area realy doesnt work at airports and on planes. |  |
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| Grizzle bloke on 22:04 - Aug 9 with 5085 views | jeera |
| Grizzle bloke on 21:54 - Aug 9 by jaykay |
not a poke at you, but coming from a relative free covid zone and going to one, would be great if you didnt come into contact with no one.
you go to a airport, people from all over the u.k. there which could have come from a high risk area. you get on a plane with people who also maybe from a high risk area.
so you could be very unlucky and catch covid then pass it on to a very low risk area like rhodes.
as i said no ruck with you but showing you coming from a low risk area realy doesnt work at airports and on planes. |
My sister went [early doors] from a Covid free UK to a Covid free Canary Island some months ago.
On board the plane it turned out there was an Italian family who strangely enough weren't very well. Apparently.
The entire holiday was spent in their hotel rooms.
I told them not to go. | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 22:10 - Aug 9 with 5078 views | 26_Paz |
| Grizzle bloke on 21:54 - Aug 9 by jaykay |
not a poke at you, but coming from a relative free covid zone and going to one, would be great if you didnt come into contact with no one.
you go to a airport, people from all over the u.k. there which could have come from a high risk area. you get on a plane with people who also maybe from a high risk area.
so you could be very unlucky and catch covid then pass it on to a very low risk area like rhodes.
as i said no ruck with you but showing you coming from a low risk area realy doesnt work at airports and on planes. |
I get that, guess the only thing one can do is minimise the risk. Mask and hand sanitizer in the airport etc. The alternative is no international travel until a cure or vaccine. That would result in untold job losses and huge amounts of poverty for tourist dependent countries ... at some point the small risk becomes favourable to the alternative ... | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 07:37 - Aug 10 with 5006 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:01 - Aug 9 by Libero |
I’m assuming you’re flying there?
Which renders your last paragraph irrelevant unfortunately. |
We went to reserve our seats so as to all be sitting together and the plane is showing as being half empty.
The airports are similarly very quiet. I was in McCarthur Glen 8n York yesterday which was probably far busier than Glasgow airport will be. And the passengers will all be from a country that hasn’t had a Covid death in three weeks.
If course it isn’t entirely risk free but we are sensible people who will take every precaution available to lessen the risk. |  |
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| Grizzle bloke on 08:31 - Aug 10 with 4988 views | MaySixth |
About a month ago, when French was out of lockdown, I drove from London to Reims in a day to drop-off and I got out of the car once to fill up with petrol on the way back.
I had to quarantine for 14 days afterwards. Didn't receive a knock on the door or any follow up. |  |
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| Grizzle bloke on 09:34 - Aug 10 with 4975 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Grizzle bloke on 17:03 - Aug 8 by Libero |
Any one want to take a guess how many months it will be until general consensus finally reaches the point where people realise that we’re all best off just staying in our own countries for a bit?
I’m going to say early Feb. |
That sounds incredibly judgemental.
I’m of the opinion that if the government say it’s ok to travel abroad, then none of us have any right to moan at people who choose to go. If people start disregarding the guidelines such as quarantining after being in Spain for example, then deal with them. But the idea of raising an eyebrow at anyone that fancies a trip abroad seems somewhat unfair.
I’m choosing not to go abroad this summer (four of us at uni were supposed to be before Covid started) but I haven’t got any issue whatsoever that people are. In a very similar way, it’s like me going to Cheltenham in March. The government and the racing authority both agreed that it was safe to go, so I went. Your issue* shouldn’t be with me going (or people that go abroad) but instead with the people who make the rules.
*I’m assuming here you do have a problem with it based on this thread. Apologies if that is incorrect. |  |
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| Grizzle bloke on 09:48 - Aug 10 with 4959 views | Libero |
| Grizzle bloke on 09:34 - Aug 10 by The_Romford_Blue |
That sounds incredibly judgemental.
I’m of the opinion that if the government say it’s ok to travel abroad, then none of us have any right to moan at people who choose to go. If people start disregarding the guidelines such as quarantining after being in Spain for example, then deal with them. But the idea of raising an eyebrow at anyone that fancies a trip abroad seems somewhat unfair.
I’m choosing not to go abroad this summer (four of us at uni were supposed to be before Covid started) but I haven’t got any issue whatsoever that people are. In a very similar way, it’s like me going to Cheltenham in March. The government and the racing authority both agreed that it was safe to go, so I went. Your issue* shouldn’t be with me going (or people that go abroad) but instead with the people who make the rules.
*I’m assuming here you do have a problem with it based on this thread. Apologies if that is incorrect. |
That's great, bud.
It's not "judgemental" it's risk awareness.
I cba to tread old ground on the subject, so I've supplied a couple of links to other threads where I discuss this and have affixed a quote from myself from one of the threads that's relevant, although I notice that a thread which really rammed the point home and had a few people who didn't previously understand why it's a terrible idea to go abroad/accept visitors atm actually getting it, has since been removed unfortunately.
"Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
In my opinion we all have a responsibility to keep our social activity and movements to an absolute minimum, I don't think people realise just how tenuous the current situation is.
While I understand your point I can't accept that it's justifiable in the current climate to travel elsewhere in the world when there's a highly infectious virus knocking about that easily transfers between people. A holiday abroad is not essential, it's great that we can now spend time with those we love, but that will only be allowed to continue if things continue as they are, that means making everyone's movements and interactions as predictable and safe as possible.
People f*cking off to the costa del sol for a week away throws in way too many variants, even if they are staying in a villa in their family unit, etc."
Here's some food for thought for you Rommers, when you were at Cheltenham I was suffering badly from Covid-19... [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 9:53]
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| Grizzle bloke on 10:00 - Aug 10 with 4941 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Grizzle bloke on 09:48 - Aug 10 by Libero |
That's great, bud.
It's not "judgemental" it's risk awareness.
I cba to tread old ground on the subject, so I've supplied a couple of links to other threads where I discuss this and have affixed a quote from myself from one of the threads that's relevant, although I notice that a thread which really rammed the point home and had a few people who didn't previously understand why it's a terrible idea to go abroad/accept visitors atm actually getting it, has since been removed unfortunately.
"Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
In my opinion we all have a responsibility to keep our social activity and movements to an absolute minimum, I don't think people realise just how tenuous the current situation is.
While I understand your point I can't accept that it's justifiable in the current climate to travel elsewhere in the world when there's a highly infectious virus knocking about that easily transfers between people. A holiday abroad is not essential, it's great that we can now spend time with those we love, but that will only be allowed to continue if things continue as they are, that means making everyone's movements and interactions as predictable and safe as possible.
People f*cking off to the costa del sol for a week away throws in way too many variants, even if they are staying in a villa in their family unit, etc."
Here's some food for thought for you Rommers, when you were at Cheltenham I was suffering badly from Covid-19... [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 9:53]
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I’ll give those a read and get back to you (see the first thread is 6 pages and I’ll have one eye on my snooker bet so it might not be til this afternoon). Interesting discussion though whichever side of it you come down on.
That’s not ideal with Covid! Hopefully you’re alright now I take it? When Cheltenham was confirmed as being on a couple of days before, there had been 6 deaths and 350 cases. So me and my mate took the risk/reward and went. In our case, we’d looked forward to it all year. I keep thinking to myself that there will be other people out there who look forward all year to a week away but for them it would be abroad in the sun. I was actually pleasantly surprised at how many people at the racing who were using the 100 sanitising basins etc. Though if you’d have told everyone then that there would be a lockdown three weeks later, I reckon none of us would have believed that. Now, with the cases dropping dramatically (thankfully) and the government making a decision to let people travel, as long as precautions are taken by those that choose to go, i personally see why they would want to.
As I said though, I’ve not read the two threads yet so I’ll come back to this later with a proper reply. [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 10:03]
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| Grizzle bloke on 10:10 - Aug 10 with 4922 views | Libero |
| Grizzle bloke on 10:00 - Aug 10 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’ll give those a read and get back to you (see the first thread is 6 pages and I’ll have one eye on my snooker bet so it might not be til this afternoon). Interesting discussion though whichever side of it you come down on.
That’s not ideal with Covid! Hopefully you’re alright now I take it? When Cheltenham was confirmed as being on a couple of days before, there had been 6 deaths and 350 cases. So me and my mate took the risk/reward and went. In our case, we’d looked forward to it all year. I keep thinking to myself that there will be other people out there who look forward all year to a week away but for them it would be abroad in the sun. I was actually pleasantly surprised at how many people at the racing who were using the 100 sanitising basins etc. Though if you’d have told everyone then that there would be a lockdown three weeks later, I reckon none of us would have believed that. Now, with the cases dropping dramatically (thankfully) and the government making a decision to let people travel, as long as precautions are taken by those that choose to go, i personally see why they would want to.
As I said though, I’ve not read the two threads yet so I’ll come back to this later with a proper reply. [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 10:03]
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I'm still struggling Rommers, I'm out of breath just walking to work, can't breath deeply when laying in bed in certain positions, general lethargy and profuse sweating. (whatever the weather)
It reminds me of when I was an obese man, only I'm 14 stone, not 19.
I had some blood tests, now waiting on a date for a chest scan, when people say b0llocks like "it only effects old people" it boils my piss, I am (was? an active and fit 32 year old man and it's absolutely shaken the sh1t out of me.
Having Cheltenham and other Sporting events that weekend was an absolute disaster and undoubtedly aided the virus' spread.
Give it a read, by all means, I'm just not particularly interested in a debate. Most of the British public have been gas-lighted into thinking it's okay to do a whole host of things that are terrible practise for infection control. [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 10:11]
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| Grizzle bloke on 10:12 - Aug 10 with 4914 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Grizzle bloke on 09:48 - Aug 10 by Libero |
That's great, bud.
It's not "judgemental" it's risk awareness.
I cba to tread old ground on the subject, so I've supplied a couple of links to other threads where I discuss this and have affixed a quote from myself from one of the threads that's relevant, although I notice that a thread which really rammed the point home and had a few people who didn't previously understand why it's a terrible idea to go abroad/accept visitors atm actually getting it, has since been removed unfortunately.
"Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
In my opinion we all have a responsibility to keep our social activity and movements to an absolute minimum, I don't think people realise just how tenuous the current situation is.
While I understand your point I can't accept that it's justifiable in the current climate to travel elsewhere in the world when there's a highly infectious virus knocking about that easily transfers between people. A holiday abroad is not essential, it's great that we can now spend time with those we love, but that will only be allowed to continue if things continue as they are, that means making everyone's movements and interactions as predictable and safe as possible.
People f*cking off to the costa del sol for a week away throws in way too many variants, even if they are staying in a villa in their family unit, etc."
Here's some food for thought for you Rommers, when you were at Cheltenham I was suffering badly from Covid-19... [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 9:53]
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To br fair it is one persons assessment of the risk, an assessment which isn’t reflected in government advice.
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| Grizzle bloke on 10:28 - Aug 10 with 4882 views | StokieBlue |
| Grizzle bloke on 10:00 - Aug 10 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’ll give those a read and get back to you (see the first thread is 6 pages and I’ll have one eye on my snooker bet so it might not be til this afternoon). Interesting discussion though whichever side of it you come down on.
That’s not ideal with Covid! Hopefully you’re alright now I take it? When Cheltenham was confirmed as being on a couple of days before, there had been 6 deaths and 350 cases. So me and my mate took the risk/reward and went. In our case, we’d looked forward to it all year. I keep thinking to myself that there will be other people out there who look forward all year to a week away but for them it would be abroad in the sun. I was actually pleasantly surprised at how many people at the racing who were using the 100 sanitising basins etc. Though if you’d have told everyone then that there would be a lockdown three weeks later, I reckon none of us would have believed that. Now, with the cases dropping dramatically (thankfully) and the government making a decision to let people travel, as long as precautions are taken by those that choose to go, i personally see why they would want to.
As I said though, I’ve not read the two threads yet so I’ll come back to this later with a proper reply. [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 10:03]
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I am not sure that using Cheltenham is a great example to support your point as it's fairly clear that it lead to a rise in infections locally and probably increased the spread over the country.
Essentially you are saying that if it's something you were looking forward to then it's fine to do it. I was looking forward to two holidays this year including seeing my very old gran but both have had to be cancelled. Hopefully I will get another chance to see her.
Sometimes you don't get things you are looking forward to - we aren't 5 years old after all and this in an exceptional set of circumstances.
As it stands the government are doing a poor job around holidays, basically telling people it's fine but then possibly imposing quarantine whilst they are away isn't ideal. I understand why people are going on holiday in that situation but claims to take precautions are not really enough - if it was enough we wouldn't have had global lockdowns. Just accept that if you go on holiday you may spread it to other areas in Europe or you might bring it back. If you are happy with that within yourself then go ahead but I don't agree with citing "all available precautions" as a valid "get-out-clause".
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| Grizzle bloke on 13:10 - Aug 10 with 4825 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Grizzle bloke on 10:28 - Aug 10 by StokieBlue |
I am not sure that using Cheltenham is a great example to support your point as it's fairly clear that it lead to a rise in infections locally and probably increased the spread over the country.
Essentially you are saying that if it's something you were looking forward to then it's fine to do it. I was looking forward to two holidays this year including seeing my very old gran but both have had to be cancelled. Hopefully I will get another chance to see her.
Sometimes you don't get things you are looking forward to - we aren't 5 years old after all and this in an exceptional set of circumstances.
As it stands the government are doing a poor job around holidays, basically telling people it's fine but then possibly imposing quarantine whilst they are away isn't ideal. I understand why people are going on holiday in that situation but claims to take precautions are not really enough - if it was enough we wouldn't have had global lockdowns. Just accept that if you go on holiday you may spread it to other areas in Europe or you might bring it back. If you are happy with that within yourself then go ahead but I don't agree with citing "all available precautions" as a valid "get-out-clause".
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‘Essentially you are saying that if it's something you were looking forward to then it's fine to do it.’
That wasn’t what I was saying tbf. What I was saying was that the experts decided it was safe to do so. The government were also involved in consultations for it going ahead and gave the green light. So if they deem it safe to do so, then I see no issue. The experts in particular said it was safe.
They are saying holidaying abroad is ok. So then if people listen to what is being said, what’s the problem? Anyone angry at people going abroad in my opinion should be more angry that it’s allowed. Nobody going abroad is disobeying the rules. That was what I was saying. | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 13:13 - Aug 10 with 4814 views | Libero |
| Grizzle bloke on 13:10 - Aug 10 by The_Romford_Blue |
‘Essentially you are saying that if it's something you were looking forward to then it's fine to do it.’
That wasn’t what I was saying tbf. What I was saying was that the experts decided it was safe to do so. The government were also involved in consultations for it going ahead and gave the green light. So if they deem it safe to do so, then I see no issue. The experts in particular said it was safe.
They are saying holidaying abroad is ok. So then if people listen to what is being said, what’s the problem? Anyone angry at people going abroad in my opinion should be more angry that it’s allowed. Nobody going abroad is disobeying the rules. That was what I was saying. |
Ah, so you assume the government are following the advice given by the experts? They regularly don't. | | | |
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