| Grizzle bloke 15:39 - Aug 8 with 34984 views | bluelagos |
So - If - as reported France ends up on the list of quarantine countries and off the FCO list of places to go to....what are the implications for travel?
Can you still travel - but at your own risk?
Presume UK travel insurances wouldn't cover any claims?
Would the EU health card thing (for emergency treatment) still cover you?
Would car/motorbike insurance be valid?
14 days q. on arrival back home if fairly self explanatory.
Have a trip booked where we are transiting France only*...so not worried about the CV risk itself as are flexible and can easily avoid areas with high outbreaks.
(*If we headed to Belgium - it could literally be for 30 minutes... - if Belgium were not also on the list too)
**I fully accept 99% if people wouldn't consider this. Which is fine - good luck to you. Don't need a lecture, just wanting to understand the implications so we can make an informed decision on what is the best thing to do.
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| Grizzle bloke on 11:31 - Aug 11 with 6318 views | Libero |
| Grizzle bloke on 11:27 - Aug 11 by 26_Paz |
You’ve indicated on multiple posts, I’m not sure whether it’s still on this post or not as a number of your posts keep disappearing, that you don’t think there should be any international travel whatsoever |
Right, but that's not what I've said in here, is it?
You just used it as a way of evading the fact that these precautions you were praising the Greeks for using are worthless...
Either discuss the topic at hand or directly link it to a quote I've said elsewhere that you believe is pertinent.
You'll notice that if in discussion I use anything you've stated in a previous conversation I make sure I direct quote or link the alleged comment, in order to avoid being accused of misrepresenting what you have said. |  | | |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:11 - Aug 11 with 6274 views | 26_Paz |
| Grizzle bloke on 11:31 - Aug 11 by Libero |
Right, but that's not what I've said in here, is it?
You just used it as a way of evading the fact that these precautions you were praising the Greeks for using are worthless...
Either discuss the topic at hand or directly link it to a quote I've said elsewhere that you believe is pertinent.
You'll notice that if in discussion I use anything you've stated in a previous conversation I make sure I direct quote or link the alleged comment, in order to avoid being accused of misrepresenting what you have said. |
So what I’ve said is wrong? You don’t think people should avoid international travel until next year? |  |
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| Grizzle bloke on 12:12 - Aug 11 with 6264 views | 26_Paz |
| Grizzle bloke on 11:31 - Aug 11 by Libero |
Right, but that's not what I've said in here, is it?
You just used it as a way of evading the fact that these precautions you were praising the Greeks for using are worthless...
Either discuss the topic at hand or directly link it to a quote I've said elsewhere that you believe is pertinent.
You'll notice that if in discussion I use anything you've stated in a previous conversation I make sure I direct quote or link the alleged comment, in order to avoid being accused of misrepresenting what you have said. |
Here’s one from this thread for starters ...
Any one want to take a guess how many months it will be until general consensus finally reaches the point where people realise that we’re all best off just staying in our own countries for a bit?
I’m going to say early Feb. | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 12:15 - Aug 11 with 6262 views | Libero |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:11 - Aug 11 by 26_Paz |
So what I’ve said is wrong? You don’t think people should avoid international travel until next year? |
If you want it right, my personal view is that international travel for leisure purposes should be suspended indefinitely.
However, that bares absolutely zero relevance to the discussion at hand, where I was highlighting that the measures you described as "excellent corona management" are almost absolutely worthless. [Post edited 11 Aug 2020 12:16]
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| Grizzle bloke on 12:16 - Aug 11 with 6260 views | Libero |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:12 - Aug 11 by 26_Paz |
Here’s one from this thread for starters ...
Any one want to take a guess how many months it will be until general consensus finally reaches the point where people realise that we’re all best off just staying in our own countries for a bit?
I’m going to say early Feb. |
Sorry, what is your point? | | | |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:19 - Aug 11 with 6237 views | 26_Paz |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:16 - Aug 11 by Libero |
Sorry, what is your point? |
My point is you argue for no tourism but you take no account of the economic effects of this. | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 12:21 - Aug 11 with 6229 views | 26_Paz |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:15 - Aug 11 by Libero |
If you want it right, my personal view is that international travel for leisure purposes should be suspended indefinitely.
However, that bares absolutely zero relevance to the discussion at hand, where I was highlighting that the measures you described as "excellent corona management" are almost absolutely worthless. [Post edited 11 Aug 2020 12:16]
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They’re not absolutely worthless. They’re not perfect and in the scenario you describe some can and will sneak through. But they are a mitigation, bringing the risk down as low as possible. | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 12:22 - Aug 11 with 6222 views | Libero |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:19 - Aug 11 by 26_Paz |
My point is you argue for no tourism but you take no account of the economic effects of this. |
Jesus wept, that's a completely different discussion to me highlighting the fact that the measures you described as "excellent corona management" are almost absolutely worthless.
There's a valid discussion to be had there about the balance between keeping the economy and keeping safe, but that isn't the discussion at hand and it's disingenuous of you to attempt to deflect it that way instead of acknowledging the scientific fact that the measures you're praising are absolute pap. | | | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 12:25 - Aug 11 with 6214 views | J2BLUE |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:19 - Aug 11 by 26_Paz |
My point is you argue for no tourism but you take no account of the economic effects of this. |
Do you think the incoming tourism from foreign people is more than the outgoing tourism from UK citizens in sterling?
For a Brexiteer, you seem awfully worried about helping out the Spanish and Greeks. Surely you should be sipping an English cider while eating fish and chips from a local independent outlet and staying in a nice British seaside hotel? |  |
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| Grizzle bloke on 12:27 - Aug 11 with 6206 views | 26_Paz |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:22 - Aug 11 by Libero |
Jesus wept, that's a completely different discussion to me highlighting the fact that the measures you described as "excellent corona management" are almost absolutely worthless.
There's a valid discussion to be had there about the balance between keeping the economy and keeping safe, but that isn't the discussion at hand and it's disingenuous of you to attempt to deflect it that way instead of acknowledging the scientific fact that the measures you're praising are absolute pap. |
I’ve explained that they’re not absolutely worthless but you’ve just ignored that | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 12:28 - Aug 11 with 6203 views | Libero |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:21 - Aug 11 by 26_Paz |
They’re not absolutely worthless. They’re not perfect and in the scenario you describe some can and will sneak through. But they are a mitigation, bringing the risk down as low as possible. |
You're desperate to play out the same conversation on loop, aren't you?
I'm not going to go into why that's not the case. I've spoken to you at length in other threads about the potential infection risks and how this doesn't really mitigate anything due to there being a myriad of unpredictable and uncontrollable factors.
Stop seeking the affirmation of others, you're going to do what you're going to do, that's your choice and as much as I personally disagree with it, I respect your autonomy as an individual. | | | |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:28 - Aug 11 with 6199 views | Libero |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:27 - Aug 11 by 26_Paz |
I’ve explained that they’re not absolutely worthless but you’ve just ignored that |
You've explained nothing. | | | |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:31 - Aug 11 with 6179 views | 26_Paz |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:28 - Aug 11 by Libero |
You've explained nothing. |
You’ve clearly missed the post. You can’t say they’re absolutely worthless. Yes, they are not perfect and some cases will slip through in the scenario you have described. But they stop some, thereby minimising risk and thereby not be worthless. | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 12:33 - Aug 11 with 6171 views | Libero |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:31 - Aug 11 by 26_Paz |
You’ve clearly missed the post. You can’t say they’re absolutely worthless. Yes, they are not perfect and some cases will slip through in the scenario you have described. But they stop some, thereby minimising risk and thereby not be worthless. |
No, I've read it. | | | |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:41 - Aug 11 with 6142 views | SpruceMoose |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:25 - Aug 11 by J2BLUE |
Do you think the incoming tourism from foreign people is more than the outgoing tourism from UK citizens in sterling?
For a Brexiteer, you seem awfully worried about helping out the Spanish and Greeks. Surely you should be sipping an English cider while eating fish and chips from a local independent outlet and staying in a nice British seaside hotel? |
I made this same point the other day and had a line of dullards queuing up to tell me to pipe down. Just goes to show poster name>post validity. |  |
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| Grizzle bloke on 12:43 - Aug 11 with 6131 views | J2BLUE |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:41 - Aug 11 by SpruceMoose |
I made this same point the other day and had a line of dullards queuing up to tell me to pipe down. Just goes to show poster name>post validity. |
I'm not sure what offended him about that post. He hasn't replied to let me know, just downvoted... | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 12:47 - Aug 11 with 6120 views | SpruceMoose |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:31 - Aug 11 by 26_Paz |
You’ve clearly missed the post. You can’t say they’re absolutely worthless. Yes, they are not perfect and some cases will slip through in the scenario you have described. But they stop some, thereby minimising risk and thereby not be worthless. |
Kindly stop screwing up the UK please Paz.
First there was your mindless Brexit fetish.
Then there was your hero worshipping of Johnson and his racism.
Then there was your almighty 'rona pub crawl piss up the second it was feasible.
Now there's your great Coronapalooza Euro Summer Tour 2021.
I'd like to get home at some point. Please don't help make that wait any longer than it has to be and please leave me something worth coming back to. | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 12:49 - Aug 11 with 6109 views | SpruceMoose |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:43 - Aug 11 by J2BLUE |
I'm not sure what offended him about that post. He hasn't replied to let me know, just downvoted... |
There's no point trying to appeal to Paz's sensible side or better nature, if he has either.
If Johnson told him to shït in his hands and clap dear old Paz would give him a standing ovation. That's the mentality you're dealing with. It's a fever cult. | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 12:50 - Aug 11 with 6103 views | J2BLUE |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:49 - Aug 11 by SpruceMoose |
There's no point trying to appeal to Paz's sensible side or better nature, if he has either.
If Johnson told him to shït in his hands and clap dear old Paz would give him a standing ovation. That's the mentality you're dealing with. It's a fever cult. |
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| Grizzle bloke on 13:03 - Aug 11 with 6066 views | 26_Paz |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:43 - Aug 11 by J2BLUE |
I'm not sure what offended him about that post. He hasn't replied to let me know, just downvoted... |
I didn’t reply because this has nothing to do with Brexit so didn’t see the point | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 13:04 - Aug 11 with 6063 views | 26_Paz |
| Grizzle bloke on 12:47 - Aug 11 by SpruceMoose |
Kindly stop screwing up the UK please Paz.
First there was your mindless Brexit fetish.
Then there was your hero worshipping of Johnson and his racism.
Then there was your almighty 'rona pub crawl piss up the second it was feasible.
Now there's your great Coronapalooza Euro Summer Tour 2021.
I'd like to get home at some point. Please don't help make that wait any longer than it has to be and please leave me something worth coming back to. |
I am not screwing up the UK. I am just one man on an Internet forum who says some things that you don’t agree with | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 13:08 - Aug 11 with 6054 views | J2BLUE |
| Grizzle bloke on 13:03 - Aug 11 by 26_Paz |
I didn’t reply because this has nothing to do with Brexit so didn’t see the point |
No, you've found a convenient reason to ignore the entire post.
Outgoing UK tourism is almost certainly more than incoming tourism so the net benefit will be foreign economies. | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 13:11 - Aug 11 with 6040 views | 26_Paz |
| Grizzle bloke on 13:08 - Aug 11 by J2BLUE |
No, you've found a convenient reason to ignore the entire post.
Outgoing UK tourism is almost certainly more than incoming tourism so the net benefit will be foreign economies. |
And why is that a problem? | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 13:18 - Aug 11 with 6024 views | SpruceMoose |
| Grizzle bloke on 13:04 - Aug 11 by 26_Paz |
I am not screwing up the UK. I am just one man on an Internet forum who says some things that you don’t agree with |
Multiply your actions by millions and we get the answer of why the UK is circling the drain. | |
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| Grizzle bloke on 15:21 - Aug 11 with 5959 views | J2BLUE |
| Grizzle bloke on 13:11 - Aug 11 by 26_Paz |
And why is that a problem? |
It isn't, but you literally said:
My point is you argue for no tourism but you take no account of the economic effects of this.
For the UK, the effect would likely be positive as people spent their money on holidays and 'staycations' in the UK. I just assumed as a Brexiteer (yes it's a relevant point) you would be talking about the UK and not the European/world economy. | |
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