| Taking back control on 09:45 - Aug 21 with 808 views | hampstead_blue |
| Taking back control on 09:42 - Aug 21 by footers |
I see you're on a roll with being wrong this morning, so I'll leave you to it. |
Touche.
The cricket starts in a mo and I need to get to the gym before the first ball is bowled.
Have a good day Sir. |  |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Taking back control on 09:48 - Aug 21 with 803 views | eireblue |
| Taking back control on 09:34 - Aug 21 by hampstead_blue |
Therein lies the problem.
How can you determine one from t'other?
It is in the interest of the economic migrant to fake stories to the detriment of the genuine asylum seeker.
We are caught between a rock and a hard place.
P.S I am 100% in support of welcoming a reasonable number of genuine asylum seekers. |
Well, how about letting asylum seekers apply for asylum, and making that a process that does not involve having to get to the UK first.
Other non-asylum seekers can apply for visa’s before entering the UK.
You are not caught between a rock and a hard place.
You are are an advocate for an un-feeling and incompetent government. |  | | |
| Taking back control on 09:48 - Aug 21 with 802 views | WeWereZombies |
| Taking back control on 09:40 - Aug 21 by hampstead_blue |
I think those who voted for Brexit don't want to be swarmed all over and insulted.
Some of us are happy to stand tall but I think many find it rather low brow. |
I've been meaning to ask for a few days now, why have you changed your avatar to one of a member of the People's Liberation Army? |  |
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| Taking back control on 10:01 - Aug 21 with 787 views | Libero |
| Taking back control on 09:40 - Aug 21 by hampstead_blue |
I think those who voted for Brexit don't want to be swarmed all over and insulted.
Some of us are happy to stand tall but I think many find it rather low brow. |
I repeat, f*ck brexit and f*ck anyone who voted for it. |  | | |
| Taking back control on 10:02 - Aug 21 with 782 views | Libero |
| Taking back control on 09:48 - Aug 21 by eireblue |
Well, how about letting asylum seekers apply for asylum, and making that a process that does not involve having to get to the UK first.
Other non-asylum seekers can apply for visa’s before entering the UK.
You are not caught between a rock and a hard place.
You are are an advocate for an un-feeling and incompetent government. |
DIDN'T YOU READ THE P.S?!
CONTEXT, CANCEL CULTURE, LOW BROW, SOMETHINGSOMETHING. | | | |
| Taking back control on 10:08 - Aug 21 with 769 views | Keno |
| Taking back control on 09:48 - Aug 21 by eireblue |
Well, how about letting asylum seekers apply for asylum, and making that a process that does not involve having to get to the UK first.
Other non-asylum seekers can apply for visa’s before entering the UK.
You are not caught between a rock and a hard place.
You are are an advocate for an un-feeling and incompetent government. |
so basically someone who is a in war zone or maybe facing some kind of religious or ethnic persecution has to apply for asylum before they can leave for a place of safety and wait while the country they apply to processes that?
seems fair
Worked well in Germany in the late 30's
Just out of interest how long does the asylum process take in the UK? |  |
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| Taking back control on 10:10 - Aug 21 with 761 views | Libero |
| Taking back control on 10:08 - Aug 21 by Keno |
so basically someone who is a in war zone or maybe facing some kind of religious or ethnic persecution has to apply for asylum before they can leave for a place of safety and wait while the country they apply to processes that?
seems fair
Worked well in Germany in the late 30's
Just out of interest how long does the asylum process take in the UK? |
I can see both points of view, there should be a defined pathway that circumvents the risking of life in the manner in which these people do, but obviously the logistical issues you highlight are real. [Post edited 21 Aug 2020 10:11]
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| Taking back control on 11:09 - Aug 21 with 701 views | hampstead_blue |
| Taking back control on 09:48 - Aug 21 by WeWereZombies |
I've been meaning to ask for a few days now, why have you changed your avatar to one of a member of the People's Liberation Army? |
I thought it was a Fig 11 daubed with the initials of the 'Chosen one'.......
It really sharpens your marksmanship principles when you see a tasty target like that.
P.S: You do realise I am firmly tongue in cheek. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Taking back control on 11:14 - Aug 21 with 695 views | Libero |
| Taking back control on 11:09 - Aug 21 by hampstead_blue |
I thought it was a Fig 11 daubed with the initials of the 'Chosen one'.......
It really sharpens your marksmanship principles when you see a tasty target like that.
P.S: You do realise I am firmly tongue in cheek. |
Oh look, another vile and violent statement where you've tried to back out of it by claiming it's a joke/not serious/not my argument.
Disingenuous to the very core. [Post edited 21 Aug 2020 11:14]
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| Taking back control on 11:25 - Aug 21 with 674 views | eireblue |
| Taking back control on 10:08 - Aug 21 by Keno |
so basically someone who is a in war zone or maybe facing some kind of religious or ethnic persecution has to apply for asylum before they can leave for a place of safety and wait while the country they apply to processes that?
seems fair
Worked well in Germany in the late 30's
Just out of interest how long does the asylum process take in the UK? |
No, you leave the war zone, get somewhere safe, then apply for asylum in a country.
E.g. get to Turkey/Greece/France and then apply for asylum in the UK.
No reason why a refugee asylum seeker in Turkey/Greece/France, should have to get into the UK to apply for asylum, if for instance they speak English and there is a community of people from the same area that they originated, in the UK.
Rather than an asylum seeker, getting to Greece on a dingy, and getting placed in a town in say Sweden, were there are no other refugees, and no common language.
One of the things that was important to the Vietnamese, when they were taken on by various countries, was that they made their home within existing Vietnamese communities were possible. | | | |
| Give over Hampers on 11:28 - Aug 21 with 669 views | Dyland |
| Taking back control on 09:34 - Aug 21 by hampstead_blue |
Therein lies the problem.
How can you determine one from t'other?
It is in the interest of the economic migrant to fake stories to the detriment of the genuine asylum seeker.
We are caught between a rock and a hard place.
P.S I am 100% in support of welcoming a reasonable number of genuine asylum seekers. |
"P.S I am 100% in support of welcoming a reasonable number of genuine asylum seekers. "
I believe that, for what it's worth.
The problem with your argument is, and it's a recurring theme, you don't seem to understand how thing work legally or logistically. |  |
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| Taking back control on 11:33 - Aug 21 with 649 views | Keno |
| Taking back control on 11:25 - Aug 21 by eireblue |
No, you leave the war zone, get somewhere safe, then apply for asylum in a country.
E.g. get to Turkey/Greece/France and then apply for asylum in the UK.
No reason why a refugee asylum seeker in Turkey/Greece/France, should have to get into the UK to apply for asylum, if for instance they speak English and there is a community of people from the same area that they originated, in the UK.
Rather than an asylum seeker, getting to Greece on a dingy, and getting placed in a town in say Sweden, were there are no other refugees, and no common language.
One of the things that was important to the Vietnamese, when they were taken on by various countries, was that they made their home within existing Vietnamese communities were possible. |
The Vietnamese situation wasn't quite so simple in that they mainly ended in Hong Kong via a worse sea voyage that the channel and we then taken on from there.
In theory what you say is fine and in practice that's how it works for a lot of people.
You make it sound like the whole populations of Syria, Libya and god knows where else are heading across the channel via calais. I think you will find in practice its very few people taking that extreme measure and yes more could be done to prevent that.
Perhaps the UK could offer to ferry people safely to the UK for processing?
and remember of the 80 million or so refugees in 2019 something like 20,000 ended in the UK. | |
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| Taking back control on 11:47 - Aug 21 with 623 views | jaykay |
| Taking back control on 11:09 - Aug 21 by hampstead_blue |
I thought it was a Fig 11 daubed with the initials of the 'Chosen one'.......
It really sharpens your marksmanship principles when you see a tasty target like that.
P.S: You do realise I am firmly tongue in cheek. |
so you are firmly tongue in cheek, dont you mean tongue in' cheeks' as in licking boris arse |  |
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| Taking back control on 11:51 - Aug 21 with 620 views | eireblue |
| Taking back control on 11:33 - Aug 21 by Keno |
The Vietnamese situation wasn't quite so simple in that they mainly ended in Hong Kong via a worse sea voyage that the channel and we then taken on from there.
In theory what you say is fine and in practice that's how it works for a lot of people.
You make it sound like the whole populations of Syria, Libya and god knows where else are heading across the channel via calais. I think you will find in practice its very few people taking that extreme measure and yes more could be done to prevent that.
Perhaps the UK could offer to ferry people safely to the UK for processing?
and remember of the 80 million or so refugees in 2019 something like 20,000 ended in the UK. |
Maybe my language is a bit poor today.
I think it is typically people from the Hampstead/Farage school of thought that try and imply that the whole population of Niger, is trying to get here, and pretending to be from Syria.
My point to Hampstead is quite simple. Refugees should be able to claim asylum, before they cross the channel. Even the small number of “economic migrants” that are getting into a dingy and risking death, should be viewed with compassion. And not some form of rock/hard place conundrum that is somehow such a monumental problem that can’t be solved by simply applying a little bit of compassion and competance and polical leadership. | | | |
| Taking back control on 11:52 - Aug 21 with 617 views | Libero |
| Taking back control on 11:51 - Aug 21 by eireblue |
Maybe my language is a bit poor today.
I think it is typically people from the Hampstead/Farage school of thought that try and imply that the whole population of Niger, is trying to get here, and pretending to be from Syria.
My point to Hampstead is quite simple. Refugees should be able to claim asylum, before they cross the channel. Even the small number of “economic migrants” that are getting into a dingy and risking death, should be viewed with compassion. And not some form of rock/hard place conundrum that is somehow such a monumental problem that can’t be solved by simply applying a little bit of compassion and competance and polical leadership. |
Nah, that's how I took your original post.
I think you both hold valid points. | | | |
| Taking back control on 11:56 - Aug 21 with 604 views | Keno |
| Taking back control on 11:51 - Aug 21 by eireblue |
Maybe my language is a bit poor today.
I think it is typically people from the Hampstead/Farage school of thought that try and imply that the whole population of Niger, is trying to get here, and pretending to be from Syria.
My point to Hampstead is quite simple. Refugees should be able to claim asylum, before they cross the channel. Even the small number of “economic migrants” that are getting into a dingy and risking death, should be viewed with compassion. And not some form of rock/hard place conundrum that is somehow such a monumental problem that can’t be solved by simply applying a little bit of compassion and competance and polical leadership. |
and I dont disagree with you, in a better situation they could be 'processed' (and I wish I could think of a better word than that) prior to have to cross the channel
whether that holding country is near to the one they are fleeing or somewhere neutral away from the conflict zone it would be much better than what is happening now | |
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| Taking back control on 12:52 - Aug 21 with 545 views | WeWereZombies |
| Taking back control on 11:09 - Aug 21 by hampstead_blue |
I thought it was a Fig 11 daubed with the initials of the 'Chosen one'.......
It really sharpens your marksmanship principles when you see a tasty target like that.
P.S: You do realise I am firmly tongue in cheek. |
No, that is definitely a 'C' for China on the helmet... | |
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| Taking back control on 13:00 - Aug 21 with 532 views | Darth_Koont |
| Taking back control on 11:51 - Aug 21 by eireblue |
Maybe my language is a bit poor today.
I think it is typically people from the Hampstead/Farage school of thought that try and imply that the whole population of Niger, is trying to get here, and pretending to be from Syria.
My point to Hampstead is quite simple. Refugees should be able to claim asylum, before they cross the channel. Even the small number of “economic migrants” that are getting into a dingy and risking death, should be viewed with compassion. And not some form of rock/hard place conundrum that is somehow such a monumental problem that can’t be solved by simply applying a little bit of compassion and competance and polical leadership. |
"And not some form of rock/hard place conundrum that is somehow such a monumental problem that can’t be solved by simply applying a little bit of compassion and competance and polical leadership."
Problem with that is these are modern-day politicians who are programmed to look for the personal and party political upside/downside first.
Over the issue of immigration and refugees, compassion and humanity hinder rather than help our government and their personal/political interests. It's incredible (and deeply depressing) but that's where we are now in the UK. |  |
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| Taking back control on 13:27 - Aug 21 with 489 views | Libero |
| Taking back control on 12:52 - Aug 21 by WeWereZombies |
No, that is definitely a 'C' for China on the helmet... |
As he well knows... | | | |
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