| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club 10:10 - Aug 31 with 15238 views | Keno |
or is it 'just pre-season tension'
I read comments about the dressing room being "lost", is that just wishful thinking or are we back to a Wurst Scenario
Its bank holiday, I'm working, I'm bored and could use some cheering up |  |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 13:01 - Aug 31 with 2756 views | MonkeyAlan |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 12:51 - Aug 31 by clive_baker |
Multiple. None of which I'll divulge for obvious reasons, and as cliche as it sounds, Lambert has firmly 'lost the dressing room'. It's a complete mess. Hopefully when the season starts the players are professional enough to give it a good go, but let's wait and see. I still really believe we have demonstrable quality in this squad, relative to our peers at this level and should be competitive despite Lambert, not because of him. That wasn't the case in the Championship post Mick. |
If things are as bad as you say then l can't see the players trying that hard to make a good go of it. I'm not as positive as you either regarding having a good enough squad. Most of this rabble have been here a couple of seasons or more, and we have only seen the club slide further and further. They are nowhere near as good as some people make out. Most are just bang average for this league. |  | | |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 13:03 - Aug 31 with 2744 views | NthQldITFC |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 12:54 - Aug 31 by Herbivore |
It's important to analyse your sources and to, wherever possible, check them against what you can see with your own eyes. On that basis I think the use of "unsubstantiated" is a bit off. Firstly, the posters who have been discussing morale in the camp are known to be reliable and not "def info" day trippers. They know people close enough to the situation for their views to be credible.
Secondly, there are enough little snippets in how things are being conducted at the club to suggest it is not a harmonious place. Taylor went full Hurst on Saturday and I'd question why we got the monkey and not the organ grinder. There have been a few odd barbed comments about some of the youngsters, some of whom have then been snubbed. It's not what you'd expect from a happy and functioning dressing room. Rewind to January and you have the owner and senior pros having to tell Lambert how to do his job and to stop pissing about with rotation. You then have some very prickly news conferences from Lambert during which he happily throws some of his players under the bus. Again, not the kind of things one might expect when everything is fine at the club.
Taking all that together I don't think you can just brush off the idea that things aren't right behind the scenes and it dismiss it as all being "unsubstantiated claims". I think anyone that really wants to look can see we're a bit of a mess right now. [Post edited 31 Aug 2020 12:57]
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Sadly, despite having no inside info myself, I find I have to agree with your assessment. |  |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 13:08 - Aug 31 with 2727 views | lazyblue |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 12:51 - Aug 31 by clive_baker |
Multiple. None of which I'll divulge for obvious reasons, and as cliche as it sounds, Lambert has firmly 'lost the dressing room'. It's a complete mess. Hopefully when the season starts the players are professional enough to give it a good go, but let's wait and see. I still really believe we have demonstrable quality in this squad, relative to our peers at this level and should be competitive despite Lambert, not because of him. That wasn't the case in the Championship post Mick. |
Similar to you and we know it wasn’t a happy camp by midway last season. |  | | |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 13:21 - Aug 31 with 2677 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 10:37 - Aug 31 by MonkeyAlan |
In fairness to Marcus l wish Mick was still here. Even if season ticket sales were down. We may at least still be in the championship. I always looked forward to the start of a season. I have no interest since we dropped this low. None of the players inspire you, they are mostly Sunday morning league standard. The manager is clueless and the owner couldn't give a stuff. |
Mick killed the enjoyment for me, irrespective of the league we were in. I was regularly making the effort to make at least 8 or so away games a year and at least one trip over to PR. But that just dried up in Mick's last 2 years as every time I saw us we either lost, played awfully or both. I haven't recovered from that and am lucky to see us 2 or 3 times a season now and, sadly, don't miss it.
He would have kept us up though, no doubt about that.
(Obviously I'm not saying I prefer where we are now). |  |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 14:38 - Aug 31 with 2597 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Hmmm - maybe the strangeness and absurdity of the current situation is deflating even the most dedicated of 3rd division journeymen?
Playing matches in empty stadia with every prospect of the season being called off in the autumn or winter must be fairly soul destroying.
And to make matters worse, the 'big opener' is against an asset-stripped shell who may or may not have a team..... strange times. | |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 15:24 - Aug 31 with 2524 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 13:01 - Aug 31 by MonkeyAlan |
If things are as bad as you say then l can't see the players trying that hard to make a good go of it. I'm not as positive as you either regarding having a good enough squad. Most of this rabble have been here a couple of seasons or more, and we have only seen the club slide further and further. They are nowhere near as good as some people make out. Most are just bang average for this league. |
Great, great post MonkeyAlan.
Not only are they bang average their attitude just stinks. Such a gutless relegation where even before Lamberts arrival the players had downed the tools according to what Bialkowski said in his interview.
There ought to have been a big storm or earthquake after the relegation. The club ought to have kick those wasters out of the club. But all in all the relegation went really smoothly as Evans knew how to appease some by offering Chambers a new deal because 'hIs eXpERiEnCe wAs gOiNg tO bE vItAl fOr uS iN lEaGuE oNe'. Oh it was, him and other wasters finished 11th.
Ipswich.......nice and easy and no pressure for some ! These 'some' are the remaining members of mccarthys team. They are completely free of criticism for some people, free of their responsibilities on the pitch. They just like other players keep costing us points and goals but when you criticise them then some people lose their s**t.
Any Hurst or Lambert's signing gets pelted with bad or even nasty comments at times but the 'proper blokes' remain untouchable.
One of many examples. Some people are so quick to slate Judge or Edwards but they never say a bad word about Huws. What the f**k does the latter offer for the club? Been stealing a living for years, now he can't even shine in League One. I'd love him to become (somehow) a star but the bloke is a parasite. As bad signing as Paul Taylor or Lee Martin.
Lambert is hopeless, most of the players are hopeless and disinterested. As you say plenty from the current squad have been on the clubs slide, their attitude stinks but what is obvious the 'proper blokes' will remain free of criticism for some.
Even if Lambert goes (which I don't believe it will as Evans would be unwilling to pay a big compensation) the new manager will have to deal with this sorry bunch and it could be a hell of job for him to turn them into winners. Big clearout would be needed to see some positive things on the pitch starting from the attitude and playing for the shirt. |  | | |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 15:47 - Aug 31 with 2466 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 10:31 - Aug 31 by pointofblue |
In fairness to Evans, if he had his own way then Mick would still be here. Then again, season ticket sales would probably be lower than now even in a higher division. |
So why did he decide to not offer Mick a new contract then? The fans made it impossible?
Evans has proved time and time again that he doesn't bow to fan pressure.
If he really wanted Mick here, he'd be here. |  |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 16:05 - Aug 31 with 2424 views | Sharkey |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 11:45 - Aug 31 by clive_baker |
Can't agree with that assessment of the players at all. We should be competitive at this level, and although Evans deserves a lot of stick for his contribution in his time here, we've likely got one of the highest wage bills in the division, some of the best facilities, probably one of the best paid managers too and he's rebuffing offers for some of our better players. Of course there's question marks around how / why Lambert was chosen, and certainly why he was given a 5 year contract, which is firmly a decision that falls on Evans, but accountability for our collapse last season has to sit with the manager. |
Genuine question, (because I've never even about it before), and I appreciate you're not making a hugely grand claim when you say "" some of the best facilities ', but what's better about the facilities than what other clubs ( a Peterborough, say, or Oxford) have got? Very possibly wrongly, my impression is that Town have kind of stood still a bit whereas lots of clubs have upgraded their training premises considerably. |  | | |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 17:31 - Aug 31 with 2304 views | clive_baker |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 16:05 - Aug 31 by Sharkey |
Genuine question, (because I've never even about it before), and I appreciate you're not making a hugely grand claim when you say "" some of the best facilities ', but what's better about the facilities than what other clubs ( a Peterborough, say, or Oxford) have got? Very possibly wrongly, my impression is that Town have kind of stood still a bit whereas lots of clubs have upgraded their training premises considerably. |
Don't get me wrong we don't have world class facilities by any means, but relative to a lot of clubs in L1 ours are significantly better. We've tended to have very well looked after outdoor training pitches. As well as the outdoor facilities we've got the indoor 'dome', which a lot of L1 clubs don't have. The gym and recovery centre is decent at Town, certainly better than the average L1 club. As is the canteen. I used to work for Bristol Rovers who are a pretty average L1 club in many respects I would say, and there's nothing close to that there.
Appreciate it's L2 but a very good friend of mine is still playing for what I would class as an average L2 side. They'll probably be closer to the bottom than the top this season but should be clear of danger. For context, they sold off their gym and were given memberships to a public gym in town. That's not typical but some of our players probably don't know how good they've got it. I'm sure players like Holy appreciate how favourably our facilities compare. |  |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 17:38 - Aug 31 with 2264 views | Garv |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 12:20 - Aug 31 by Herbivore |
Although a new manager coming in at that stage wouldn't have inherited as good a squad as Mick left us with a year later with the additions of the likes of Waghorn, Garner and Huws (his injury problems notwithstanding). Whether a new manager could have brought in similar quality on our budget is open to question. |
It's a fair point as the squad was slightly better a year later, but still not great, and poor once Webster and Waghorn had gone, McGoldrick on too much money and painkillers to warrant keeping, Celina going back to City etc.
I just felt like 2017-18 was a wasted year. It was only ever going to go a similar way to the previous year, it ended up being slightly better but with not a lot to show for it.
We couldn't go on forever relying on Mick McCarthy getting bargains just to keep us going. At some point we had to try and move forward as a club. Granted, the Hurst disaster could have just happened a year earlier than it did, but it's just an indication of Evans' lack of ambition that he only pulled the plug when he absolutely had to. |  |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 17:40 - Aug 31 with 2257 views | Mullet |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 15:47 - Aug 31 by Cheltenham_Blue |
So why did he decide to not offer Mick a new contract then? The fans made it impossible?
Evans has proved time and time again that he doesn't bow to fan pressure.
If he really wanted Mick here, he'd be here. |
I've got 10 bedsheets on that being wrong.
Jim. Scripted video. Losing ST sales by keeping Mick on all spring to mind immediately. |  |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 17:42 - Aug 31 with 2247 views | Garv |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 12:31 - Aug 31 by Durovigutum |
A year earlier he could have given MM some money to buy better players so the football quality could improve, rather than Mick having to wring the best he could out of a collection of other people's cast offs or canny attempts at bargains (which, of course, didn't all turn out to be bargains). |
I think the football quality was only ever going to improve, maybe, by buying better individual players, not by improving the style or overall entertainment.
Waghorn and Webster were good quality players, but it never happened did it? Really it was the midfield he never got right. | |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 17:42 - Aug 31 with 2245 views | Mullet |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 17:38 - Aug 31 by Garv |
It's a fair point as the squad was slightly better a year later, but still not great, and poor once Webster and Waghorn had gone, McGoldrick on too much money and painkillers to warrant keeping, Celina going back to City etc.
I just felt like 2017-18 was a wasted year. It was only ever going to go a similar way to the previous year, it ended up being slightly better but with not a lot to show for it.
We couldn't go on forever relying on Mick McCarthy getting bargains just to keep us going. At some point we had to try and move forward as a club. Granted, the Hurst disaster could have just happened a year earlier than it did, but it's just an indication of Evans' lack of ambition that he only pulled the plug when he absolutely had to. |
And that's why people too lazy to look above the dugout helped to fcuk us. It wasn't exactly a secret or hard to see how MM was holding the club together and Evans was doing less than nothing because of it. | |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 18:04 - Aug 31 with 2194 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 15:24 - Aug 31 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Great, great post MonkeyAlan.
Not only are they bang average their attitude just stinks. Such a gutless relegation where even before Lamberts arrival the players had downed the tools according to what Bialkowski said in his interview.
There ought to have been a big storm or earthquake after the relegation. The club ought to have kick those wasters out of the club. But all in all the relegation went really smoothly as Evans knew how to appease some by offering Chambers a new deal because 'hIs eXpERiEnCe wAs gOiNg tO bE vItAl fOr uS iN lEaGuE oNe'. Oh it was, him and other wasters finished 11th.
Ipswich.......nice and easy and no pressure for some ! These 'some' are the remaining members of mccarthys team. They are completely free of criticism for some people, free of their responsibilities on the pitch. They just like other players keep costing us points and goals but when you criticise them then some people lose their s**t.
Any Hurst or Lambert's signing gets pelted with bad or even nasty comments at times but the 'proper blokes' remain untouchable.
One of many examples. Some people are so quick to slate Judge or Edwards but they never say a bad word about Huws. What the f**k does the latter offer for the club? Been stealing a living for years, now he can't even shine in League One. I'd love him to become (somehow) a star but the bloke is a parasite. As bad signing as Paul Taylor or Lee Martin.
Lambert is hopeless, most of the players are hopeless and disinterested. As you say plenty from the current squad have been on the clubs slide, their attitude stinks but what is obvious the 'proper blokes' will remain free of criticism for some.
Even if Lambert goes (which I don't believe it will as Evans would be unwilling to pay a big compensation) the new manager will have to deal with this sorry bunch and it could be a hell of job for him to turn them into winners. Big clearout would be needed to see some positive things on the pitch starting from the attitude and playing for the shirt. |
I was with you when you were generally talking about the players - they do need to take some of the responsibility for not performing.
Why you have to single out McCarthy's players, though, is a mystery. And Huws a parasite?!? WTF?!? He's had a long term injury. What's he supposed to do, just play through the pain? You might as well call Bishop a parasite in that case. Or Lankester; he's been sitting around picking up his wages for ages!
You bemoan Hurst or Lambert signings getting nasty comments and then you make these about McCarthy ones in the same breath! Unbelievable! |  |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 18:16 - Aug 31 with 2150 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 18:04 - Aug 31 by BrixtonBlue |
I was with you when you were generally talking about the players - they do need to take some of the responsibility for not performing.
Why you have to single out McCarthy's players, though, is a mystery. And Huws a parasite?!? WTF?!? He's had a long term injury. What's he supposed to do, just play through the pain? You might as well call Bishop a parasite in that case. Or Lankester; he's been sitting around picking up his wages for ages!
You bemoan Hurst or Lambert signings getting nasty comments and then you make these about McCarthy ones in the same breath! Unbelievable! |
Calm down sweetie. You have been having a really big period lately.
I can't remember Huws having been injured last season. He was able to play last season so you need to update yourself with the facts. He did sod all and was a hopeless passenger despite being (allegedly) one of the highest earners. To think that some people keep slating Judge or Edwards for each poor kick or mistake and not slating Huws seems strange. But we know why he remains free of criticism for some.
Bishop? He can go for me just like Lambert and the large number of those who have been representing the club in the last couple of years.
And again calm down ! | | | |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 19:46 - Aug 31 with 2060 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 18:16 - Aug 31 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Calm down sweetie. You have been having a really big period lately.
I can't remember Huws having been injured last season. He was able to play last season so you need to update yourself with the facts. He did sod all and was a hopeless passenger despite being (allegedly) one of the highest earners. To think that some people keep slating Judge or Edwards for each poor kick or mistake and not slating Huws seems strange. But we know why he remains free of criticism for some.
Bishop? He can go for me just like Lambert and the large number of those who have been representing the club in the last couple of years.
And again calm down ! |
I'm very calm, but thank you for your concern Mach. The offer of calmness from you is quite amazing, but I'll take it.
Your memory is failing you though. Huws was coming back from a long term injury, had a couple of setbacks, and was certainly never fully match fit.
I think people have every right to slate Judge and Edwards. Neither have been quite good enough. I'll be honest, I for one don't know what you mean by "we know why (Huws) remains free of criticism for some." Has he got a hot wife?
Maybe you can enlighten us in your lovely calm ways. | |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:11 - Aug 31 with 2021 views | LeoMuff |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 18:16 - Aug 31 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Calm down sweetie. You have been having a really big period lately.
I can't remember Huws having been injured last season. He was able to play last season so you need to update yourself with the facts. He did sod all and was a hopeless passenger despite being (allegedly) one of the highest earners. To think that some people keep slating Judge or Edwards for each poor kick or mistake and not slating Huws seems strange. But we know why he remains free of criticism for some.
Bishop? He can go for me just like Lambert and the large number of those who have been representing the club in the last couple of years.
And again calm down ! |
Huws was injured for nigh on 2 years, and came back last season with a few decent performances, I’m not quite sure what you expected after a near career ending injury ?
Judge has been injury free and hugely under performed, while Edwards did ok at times. |  |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:31 - Aug 31 with 1989 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 11:41 - Aug 31 by clive_baker |
Depends what your definition of bad is I guess, but I spent an hour yesterday chatting to someone about it and while there's no punches being thrown on the training ground, the term 'lost the dressing room' sums it up perfectly. Lambert isn't close to the detail, doesn't have much of a relationship to speak of with the players, isn't respected or valued. Proper leadership vacuum. It's not dissimilar to this government, really. Boris Lambert.
I give it a couple of months until he's gone, but hopefully sooner.
And Lambert. |
I’m sorry, but that’s not really in line with what I was told, from a fairly senior player. Camp has been good pre season. There was an altercation last year I was aware of between Norwood and Lambert, whether that’s truly water under the bridge I don’t know, but happens at multiple football clubs up and down the country every week.
I know Lambert isn’t the coach day in day out, Taylor and Gill are a lot more day to day coaches, but to suggest Lambert isn’t close to detail or hold relationships with the players is quite wide of the mark.
From what I was told the players are fine, they are itching to get back to competitive games, and are behind what Lambert is trying to do different this year.
I’m not trying to discredit what you’ve said, but it’s not what a first teamer has directly told me when had a chat with him on Thursday, granted that was prior to a poor Cambridge performance, but can’t imagine the dressing being ‘lost’ over one pre season game. |  |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:34 - Aug 31 with 1983 views | Mullet |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:31 - Aug 31 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
I’m sorry, but that’s not really in line with what I was told, from a fairly senior player. Camp has been good pre season. There was an altercation last year I was aware of between Norwood and Lambert, whether that’s truly water under the bridge I don’t know, but happens at multiple football clubs up and down the country every week.
I know Lambert isn’t the coach day in day out, Taylor and Gill are a lot more day to day coaches, but to suggest Lambert isn’t close to detail or hold relationships with the players is quite wide of the mark.
From what I was told the players are fine, they are itching to get back to competitive games, and are behind what Lambert is trying to do different this year.
I’m not trying to discredit what you’ve said, but it’s not what a first teamer has directly told me when had a chat with him on Thursday, granted that was prior to a poor Cambridge performance, but can’t imagine the dressing being ‘lost’ over one pre season game. |
How likely is it that the player would tell you the truth about their workplace though? I think "altercation" downplays it somewhat too. Especially given the very public moves mooted this summer etc.
As with Hurst these things are coming out from too many holes to be dismissed. | |
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| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:35 - Aug 31 with 1981 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 19:46 - Aug 31 by BrixtonBlue |
I'm very calm, but thank you for your concern Mach. The offer of calmness from you is quite amazing, but I'll take it.
Your memory is failing you though. Huws was coming back from a long term injury, had a couple of setbacks, and was certainly never fully match fit.
I think people have every right to slate Judge and Edwards. Neither have been quite good enough. I'll be honest, I for one don't know what you mean by "we know why (Huws) remains free of criticism for some." Has he got a hot wife?
Maybe you can enlighten us in your lovely calm ways. |
Are you sure you're 'very calm'? Couple of days ago you said to the different member that he wouldn't tell you this or that in your face.
Whatever you think about particular players is your opinion whereas I'll keep my opinion. My memory is absolutely fine unlike yours that's why I have told you to update yourself. If Huws was never fully match fit what was the point of putting him into the team last season?
Did he impress at Cambridge though?
There is no need to 'enlighten' you and it'd take 10 pages, you'd keep arguing and the end you'd run to Phil to complain like you usually do. Keep your opinion to yourself and I'll keep mine. | | | |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:39 - Aug 31 with 1960 views | NotMarcusEvans |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:35 - Aug 31 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Are you sure you're 'very calm'? Couple of days ago you said to the different member that he wouldn't tell you this or that in your face.
Whatever you think about particular players is your opinion whereas I'll keep my opinion. My memory is absolutely fine unlike yours that's why I have told you to update yourself. If Huws was never fully match fit what was the point of putting him into the team last season?
Did he impress at Cambridge though?
There is no need to 'enlighten' you and it'd take 10 pages, you'd keep arguing and the end you'd run to Phil to complain like you usually do. Keep your opinion to yourself and I'll keep mine. |
You were in a FB group wishing disease on ME. You're unstable, mate. |  | | |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:42 - Aug 31 with 1925 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:39 - Aug 31 by NotMarcusEvans |
You were in a FB group wishing disease on ME. You're unstable, mate. |
Yes I was and you are who? | | | |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:45 - Aug 31 with 1914 views | PJH |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:42 - Aug 31 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Yes I was and you are who? |
Well he is apparently Not Marcus Evans.
Nice of you to wish disease on ME though. |  | | |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:45 - Aug 31 with 1917 views | NotMarcusEvans |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:42 - Aug 31 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Yes I was and you are who? |
I'm definitely not Marcus Evans 
But maybe think on your words. It's only a game and here you are wishing serious illness on someone who's funded our club to the tune of 6m per year for no reward. What is wrong with you? Good to admit it though. Maybe the start of your rehabilitation. | | | |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:47 - Aug 31 with 1894 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| I'm curious, how bad are things within the club on 20:45 - Aug 31 by NotMarcusEvans |
I'm definitely not Marcus Evans
But maybe think on your words. It's only a game and here you are wishing serious illness on someone who's funded our club to the tune of 6m per year for no reward. What is wrong with you? Good to admit it though. Maybe the start of your rehabilitation. |
Are you an ambassador of decency and morality then? | | | |
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