| Downes handed in a transfer request... 09:35 - Sep 1 with 23451 views | ITFCBlues |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:42 - Sep 1 with 4531 views | N2_Blue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:37 - Sep 1 by jayessess |
In the Championship when we were competing with clubs whose wage bills were 4/5 times our revenue, sure. In League One, where we're banned from spending even half our revenue on players? I can't see how we'd have substantial losses to cover. |
If I was Downes I'd want the hell out of our broken, rubbish football club as well. (it hirst to type that but it is, can't shy away from it, there is nothing good about us currently).
Good luck to him, we won't get as much for him now because he wants to leave and clubs know that, and whats the point of having an unsetlled unhappy player on our books that could even risk upsetting things further or even going on strike. It never works out well stopping players that hand in requests from leaving.
I reckon we may just squeeze out 3m which of course won't be re-invested.
This is another in a very long list of dark days in Town's history. The delcine conitinues and seems to be gathering pace again, choopy waters ahead. |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:44 - Sep 1 with 4518 views | Darth_Koont |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:37 - Sep 1 by jayessess |
In the Championship when we were competing with clubs whose wage bills were 4/5 times our revenue, sure. In League One, where we're banned from spending even half our revenue on players? I can't see how we'd have substantial losses to cover. |
Not sure we've even covered the losses from 2018-19 yet. Nor whether the forced drop in wages covered the overall loss in revenue last season.
You're probably right that our losses are at least limited in League One but not convinced it all adds up to breaking even. |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:46 - Sep 1 with 4513 views | jayessess |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:15 - Sep 1 by ghostofescobar |
But, once someone hands in a transfer request, it changes the dynamics completely and nullifies some of the “selling” clubs bargaining power. |
Not really. It usually just means the player waives their right to certain payments, it doesn't oblige the club to do anything. This is why most players don't usually bother formally handing one in when they want a move (Downes also may not have done, The Athletic might just be reporting an informal request). |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:49 - Sep 1 with 4495 views | jayessess |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:44 - Sep 1 by Darth_Koont |
Not sure we've even covered the losses from 2018-19 yet. Nor whether the forced drop in wages covered the overall loss in revenue last season.
You're probably right that our losses are at least limited in League One but not convinced it all adds up to breaking even. |
According to the EADT and The Athletic our wage bill last season had us inside the existing League One financial regulations, so was at most 75% of revenue. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:56 - Sep 1 with 4462 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:42 - Sep 1 by N2_Blue |
If I was Downes I'd want the hell out of our broken, rubbish football club as well. (it hirst to type that but it is, can't shy away from it, there is nothing good about us currently).
Good luck to him, we won't get as much for him now because he wants to leave and clubs know that, and whats the point of having an unsetlled unhappy player on our books that could even risk upsetting things further or even going on strike. It never works out well stopping players that hand in requests from leaving.
I reckon we may just squeeze out 3m which of course won't be re-invested.
This is another in a very long list of dark days in Town's history. The delcine conitinues and seems to be gathering pace again, choopy waters ahead. |
It's just a normal day at a football club though. This happens all the time. He's a professional footballer who's worked hard to be the best player he can be from days before most of us went to secondary school. It's simply the next logical step to want to go to a club at as high a level as possible. It need not be a reflection on the state that we think the club is in - the players could well have different view.
Sad as it would be to see him leave, it's not a dark day or a crisis. The crisis and darkness will come if we fail to adapt to him leaving. |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:56 - Sep 1 with 4463 views | BLUEBEAT |
If this results in Dozzell getting as much time on the pitch as Downes did, it may not be such a bad thing.
Putting in a request just before season start isn’t cool. He should have done it weeks ago if he wants to move on. |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:57 - Sep 1 with 4456 views | jayessess |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:42 - Sep 1 by N2_Blue |
If I was Downes I'd want the hell out of our broken, rubbish football club as well. (it hirst to type that but it is, can't shy away from it, there is nothing good about us currently).
Good luck to him, we won't get as much for him now because he wants to leave and clubs know that, and whats the point of having an unsetlled unhappy player on our books that could even risk upsetting things further or even going on strike. It never works out well stopping players that hand in requests from leaving.
I reckon we may just squeeze out 3m which of course won't be re-invested.
This is another in a very long list of dark days in Town's history. The delcine conitinues and seems to be gathering pace again, choopy waters ahead. |
People say this about "unsettled players" but... clubs keep under contract players against their wishes all the time. The vast majority of players just get on with it because the best way to get the move they want remains in demonstrating your quality on the pitch.
The point of playing hard ball is not only that you get to keep the player until you're ready to sell, but because it has a knock on effect on all your future business. Imagine we sell Downes under our asking price, just because he wishes to leave. What happens next year when someone comes knocking for Woolfenden? The buying club knows all they have to do is slightly unsettle the player and that's that. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:59 - Sep 1 with 4441 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:56 - Sep 1 by BLUEBEAT |
If this results in Dozzell getting as much time on the pitch as Downes did, it may not be such a bad thing.
Putting in a request just before season start isn’t cool. He should have done it weeks ago if he wants to move on. |
It won't.
With Downes gone and Bishop and Huws likely (sadly) to be injured again at some stage, as has always been the case, it will be Skuse, Judge and Nolan.
I still bet they'd all play over Dozzell unfortunately. |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:00 - Sep 1 with 4427 views | Ely_Blue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:41 - Sep 1 by hype313 |
Where did I say we need to sell? |
Your words on the same page
“ No, Barca can afford to turn down £600m, not only that, no one would pay that, which is why he hasn't gone. Add the fact that we have huge debt, no gate receipts, no TV money which is why we would accept £4m (which is chicken feed for PL clubs) then there is no comparison.”
The fact that you say we have huge debts, no gate receipts, no tv money...... and that Barack could afford to turn down a bid means that you implied that we needed to sell.
Or are you going to argue to toss with me that the wording is different? |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:03 - Sep 1 with 4414 views | Swailsey |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:56 - Sep 1 by BLUEBEAT |
If this results in Dozzell getting as much time on the pitch as Downes did, it may not be such a bad thing.
Putting in a request just before season start isn’t cool. He should have done it weeks ago if he wants to move on. |
Perhaps he didn't want to leave then, as no one had showed an interest in him? |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:06 - Sep 1 with 4397 views | hype313 |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:00 - Sep 1 by Ely_Blue |
Your words on the same page
“ No, Barca can afford to turn down £600m, not only that, no one would pay that, which is why he hasn't gone. Add the fact that we have huge debt, no gate receipts, no TV money which is why we would accept £4m (which is chicken feed for PL clubs) then there is no comparison.”
The fact that you say we have huge debts, no gate receipts, no tv money...... and that Barack could afford to turn down a bid means that you implied that we needed to sell.
Or are you going to argue to toss with me that the wording is different? |
I ask again, where did I say we need to sell? |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:08 - Sep 1 with 4390 views | N2_Blue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:56 - Sep 1 by Swansea_Blue |
It's just a normal day at a football club though. This happens all the time. He's a professional footballer who's worked hard to be the best player he can be from days before most of us went to secondary school. It's simply the next logical step to want to go to a club at as high a level as possible. It need not be a reflection on the state that we think the club is in - the players could well have different view.
Sad as it would be to see him leave, it's not a dark day or a crisis. The crisis and darkness will come if we fail to adapt to him leaving. |
i see what you are saying but diagree slightly. If we had a happy ship or players genunely believed we were promtion candidates this may not be happeneing.
It may make no difference but if Downes was thinking I'll give this season a go what has s happened over the last few weeks and with a proportion of players clearly unhappy I think i would change my mind to especially with a PL club calling.
Downes is a huge loss, he was one of the few players that perfroemed last season. His age and wage are beneficial to us in terms of the financial restraints so we are likely to lose a player that we cannot even get to close to replacing in terms of abaility because it would cost far too much.
Losing potentially our best player when the club is in turmoil (and yes it is...you cannot argue with this) is a dark day. Downes was one of the only positives i had for this season and thats now very likely to be gone. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:10 - Sep 1 with 4375 views | Ely_Blue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:06 - Sep 1 by hype313 |
I ask again, where did I say we need to sell? |
Oh get over yourself....
you said that my comparison wasn’t relevant because Barca could afford to turn down the offers (therefore in the way you said that I couldn’t use the comparison meaning that we couldn’t afford to turn down a bid)
You then mention that we are in a position where we have no gate receipts, no tv money, huge debts and would accept a bid of £4m - another way of you saying we need to sell.
Do please explain yourself if you aren’t by those words saying that we need to sell! | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:14 - Sep 1 with 4360 views | N2_Blue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:56 - Sep 1 by BLUEBEAT |
If this results in Dozzell getting as much time on the pitch as Downes did, it may not be such a bad thing.
Putting in a request just before season start isn’t cool. He should have done it weeks ago if he wants to move on. |
Dozzell is only hype i'm afriad, time to realise he's not going to be what we want him to be. He's a squad filler for us and may play some useful cameos but I fear that will be it.
He's had starts now and almost had zilch impact in the third level of English football. Downes leaving is not suddenly going to give Dozzell more time and make him deliver, notwithstanding the fact they are completely different types of player. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:16 - Sep 1 with 4353 views | hype313 |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:10 - Sep 1 by Ely_Blue |
Oh get over yourself....
you said that my comparison wasn’t relevant because Barca could afford to turn down the offers (therefore in the way you said that I couldn’t use the comparison meaning that we couldn’t afford to turn down a bid)
You then mention that we are in a position where we have no gate receipts, no tv money, huge debts and would accept a bid of £4m - another way of you saying we need to sell.
Do please explain yourself if you aren’t by those words saying that we need to sell! |
Our comparisons are vastly different, we don't have the revenues that they have, so we have to look at other avenues to gain income, the TV money alone they get with Madrid dwarfs anything we could manage, we can't afford to have a player who doesn't want to be here whilst additionally turning down £4m if it came.
We might have an owner who says we don't need to sell, but given the current climate and league position, we can't afford not to. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:18 - Sep 1 with 4345 views | Darth_Koont |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:49 - Sep 1 by jayessess |
According to the EADT and The Athletic our wage bill last season had us inside the existing League One financial regulations, so was at most 75% of revenue. |
Yes, but on the footballing side we've got the academy investment on top of that and any transfer fees like KVY's.
I imagine the gap between our revenue and our spending is still a couple of million even in League One. But I agree that it will cost Evans less annually, even if relegation increased his long-term exposure. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:21 - Sep 1 with 4329 views | BLUEBEAT |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:14 - Sep 1 by N2_Blue |
Dozzell is only hype i'm afriad, time to realise he's not going to be what we want him to be. He's a squad filler for us and may play some useful cameos but I fear that will be it.
He's had starts now and almost had zilch impact in the third level of English football. Downes leaving is not suddenly going to give Dozzell more time and make him deliver, notwithstanding the fact they are completely different types of player. |
He hasn’t had anywhere near as much time as Downes. If he did, he may be a very decent player by now. Who knows? Would be nice for him to get the opportunity - especially as the likes of Judge, who does fck all despite his, ahem, pedigree is ahead in the pecking order.
The fact that he’s a different type of player compared to Downes doesn’t matter too much if we’re looking to play 433 this season. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:25 - Sep 1 with 4309 views | haynes_toe1 |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:30 - Sep 1 by JakeITFC |
We want £8m - there doesn't seem much incentive at selling for less than £4/5m upfront (if at all). |
No way are we getting 8m in this climate | | | |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:28 - Sep 1 with 4296 views | J2BLUE |
Fair enough but if we get a penny less than £4m it really is a robbery.
We should say he wants to go, Palace want him, it's an easy deal to do so he'll be £4m, take it or leave it. Either that or we want loans capable of dragging us out of this division. |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:30 - Sep 1 with 4285 views | JakeITFC |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:25 - Sep 1 by haynes_toe1 |
No way are we getting 8m in this climate |
Keep him then. |  | | |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:30 - Sep 1 with 4284 views | jayessess |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:25 - Sep 1 by haynes_toe1 |
No way are we getting 8m in this climate |
The climate won't have affected Palace much, 80% of their revenue is TV money. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:34 - Sep 1 with 4270 views | Ely_Blue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:16 - Sep 1 by hype313 |
Our comparisons are vastly different, we don't have the revenues that they have, so we have to look at other avenues to gain income, the TV money alone they get with Madrid dwarfs anything we could manage, we can't afford to have a player who doesn't want to be here whilst additionally turning down £4m if it came.
We might have an owner who says we don't need to sell, but given the current climate and league position, we can't afford not to. |
So therefore what you are saying with “can’t afford not to” is that we need to sell! | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:35 - Sep 1 with 4271 views | JDB23 |
People seem to be mistaking our number of CM options with actual quality of CMs.
Yes, we have a number of players who can play that role, pretty much all of them are either hugely injury prone or just downright useless.
Downes has been our only consistent midfielder for 2 years. Losing him will be a huge blow to the quality of our first team. | | | |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:35 - Sep 1 with 4264 views | Herbivore |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:10 - Sep 1 by Ely_Blue |
Oh get over yourself....
you said that my comparison wasn’t relevant because Barca could afford to turn down the offers (therefore in the way you said that I couldn’t use the comparison meaning that we couldn’t afford to turn down a bid)
You then mention that we are in a position where we have no gate receipts, no tv money, huge debts and would accept a bid of £4m - another way of you saying we need to sell.
Do please explain yourself if you aren’t by those words saying that we need to sell! |
Dude, you're comparing Downes and Town to Barca and Messi. You might want to take a less chippy tone with others. |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:39 - Sep 1 with 4242 views | Ely_Blue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:35 - Sep 1 by Herbivore |
Dude, you're comparing Downes and Town to Barca and Messi. You might want to take a less chippy tone with others. |
Erm I was using the price him out of the market as a comparison, that is all. If you read back to the original post then you may understand the relevance before you accuse me of getting “chippy with others” | |
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