| Downes handed in a transfer request... 09:35 - Sep 1 with 23452 views | ITFCBlues |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:41 - Sep 1 with 2130 views | BLUEBEAT |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:35 - Sep 1 by JDB23 |
People seem to be mistaking our number of CM options with actual quality of CMs.
Yes, we have a number of players who can play that role, pretty much all of them are either hugely injury prone or just downright useless.
Downes has been our only consistent midfielder for 2 years. Losing him will be a huge blow to the quality of our first team. |
And what a fine 2 years they were  |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:48 - Sep 1 with 2102 views | Herbivore |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:39 - Sep 1 by Ely_Blue |
Erm I was using the price him out of the market as a comparison, that is all. If you read back to the original post then you may understand the relevance before you accuse me of getting “chippy with others” |
The situations aren't really comparable. [Post edited 1 Sep 2020 12:49]
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:58 - Sep 1 with 2063 views | Ely_Blue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:48 - Sep 1 by Herbivore |
The situations aren't really comparable. [Post edited 1 Sep 2020 12:49]
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:06 - Sep 1 with 2040 views | Herbivore |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:58 - Sep 1 by Ely_Blue |
If you say so |
I do. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:10 - Sep 1 with 2028 views | Ely_Blue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:06 - Sep 1 by Herbivore |
I do. |
Well as you have spoken it must be true (facepalm) | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:14 - Sep 1 with 1997 views | Herbivore |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:10 - Sep 1 by Ely_Blue |
Well as you have spoken it must be true (facepalm) |
Glad we've reached agreement. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:16 - Sep 1 with 1993 views | Ely_Blue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:14 - Sep 1 by Herbivore |
Glad we've reached agreement. |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:24 - Sep 1 with 1951 views | pointofblue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:39 - Sep 1 by Ely_Blue |
Erm I was using the price him out of the market as a comparison, that is all. If you read back to the original post then you may understand the relevance before you accuse me of getting “chippy with others” |
If Palace came in with a £600m offer for Downes we’d bite their hands off (whilst also introducing them to a Nigerian Prince who we’ve received an email off who wants to give us money). If someone does that with Barcelona over Messi they’d reject it as they will not sell below the release clause. Barcelona can afford to reject that kind of money; we can’t. Whilst Evans has said we do not need to sell over the summer it doesn’t mean we won’t reject bids which we feel meet our valuation, which, for Downes, seems to be around the £4m mark. |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:29 - Sep 1 with 1936 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:30 - Sep 1 by JakeITFC |
Keep him then. |
I agree we shouldn't be bent over but we are really in "get the best fee we can" territory. Being seen to stand in a player's way isn't the look we want when it comes to convincing other promising youngsters to commit to pro deals here.
I like it as little as you but sadly we are where we are. | | | |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:31 - Sep 1 with 1923 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 11:57 - Sep 1 by jayessess |
People say this about "unsettled players" but... clubs keep under contract players against their wishes all the time. The vast majority of players just get on with it because the best way to get the move they want remains in demonstrating your quality on the pitch.
The point of playing hard ball is not only that you get to keep the player until you're ready to sell, but because it has a knock on effect on all your future business. Imagine we sell Downes under our asking price, just because he wishes to leave. What happens next year when someone comes knocking for Woolfenden? The buying club knows all they have to do is slightly unsettle the player and that's that. |
These are excellent points. Players don't need to put in transfer requests to get moves. They get moves by being good - so good that a bigger team is willing to pay the asking price.
If Palace don't meet our asking price tell them thanks but no deal. Downes downing tools won't do him any favours - he'll be out of the shop window and now seen as a disruptive influence if he doesn't get his way. His best bet in this situation is to play his heart out even more so that he gets other suitors (or the original suitor to realise, feck it, we need to pay that asking price, this kid is brilliant).
We, really, ought to be in a win-win situation. We get a player playing to impress or we get a hefty sum. There's no way we should be accepting a derisory offer, particularly when Evans has said we don't need to sell. |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:33 - Sep 1 with 1907 views | Ely_Blue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:31 - Sep 1 by BrixtonBlue |
These are excellent points. Players don't need to put in transfer requests to get moves. They get moves by being good - so good that a bigger team is willing to pay the asking price.
If Palace don't meet our asking price tell them thanks but no deal. Downes downing tools won't do him any favours - he'll be out of the shop window and now seen as a disruptive influence if he doesn't get his way. His best bet in this situation is to play his heart out even more so that he gets other suitors (or the original suitor to realise, feck it, we need to pay that asking price, this kid is brilliant).
We, really, ought to be in a win-win situation. We get a player playing to impress or we get a hefty sum. There's no way we should be accepting a derisory offer, particularly when Evans has said we don't need to sell. |
At last someone who sees it the same way I do! | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:34 - Sep 1 with 1905 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:08 - Sep 1 by N2_Blue |
i see what you are saying but diagree slightly. If we had a happy ship or players genunely believed we were promtion candidates this may not be happeneing.
It may make no difference but if Downes was thinking I'll give this season a go what has s happened over the last few weeks and with a proportion of players clearly unhappy I think i would change my mind to especially with a PL club calling.
Downes is a huge loss, he was one of the few players that perfroemed last season. His age and wage are beneficial to us in terms of the financial restraints so we are likely to lose a player that we cannot even get to close to replacing in terms of abaility because it would cost far too much.
Losing potentially our best player when the club is in turmoil (and yes it is...you cannot argue with this) is a dark day. Downes was one of the only positives i had for this season and thats now very likely to be gone. |
As per Phil's Story, Downes has recently got a new agent. I suspect that might have something to do with it. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:37 - Sep 1 with 1882 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:35 - Sep 1 by Herbivore |
Dude, you're comparing Downes and Town to Barca and Messi. You might want to take a less chippy tone with others. |
He's not comparing them in the way you're insinuating. Obviously. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:43 - Sep 1 with 1864 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:14 - Sep 1 by Herbivore |
Glad we've reached agreement. |
Could you have a day when you're nice, do you reckon? | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:45 - Sep 1 with 1855 views | jayessess |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:29 - Sep 1 by tractorboy1978 |
I agree we shouldn't be bent over but we are really in "get the best fee we can" territory. Being seen to stand in a player's way isn't the look we want when it comes to convincing other promising youngsters to commit to pro deals here.
I like it as little as you but sadly we are where we are. |
I don't know where people get this stuff about promising youngsters being put off from. The vast majority of kids that come through out academy won't ever make it as professional footballers. What likely concerns most of them is whether there will be opportunities to play in the first team one day. How the club conducts its transfer business is neither here nor there. |  |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:46 - Sep 1 with 1851 views | Herbivore |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:37 - Sep 1 by BrixtonBlue |
He's not comparing them in the way you're insinuating. Obviously. |
Comparing them in any way makes no sense. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:54 - Sep 1 with 1832 views | Ely_Blue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:46 - Sep 1 by Herbivore |
Comparing them in any way makes no sense. |
To be honest I could have picked any player that had a figure on his head, it could have been joe bloggs from the Harrow and borough under 19s league where his club wanted £30 a lottery ticket and a packet of peanuts and they weren’t selling for any less and it would have still been a relevant comparison either way 🙈🙈🤦🤦🙄 | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:56 - Sep 1 with 1824 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 12:35 - Sep 1 by Herbivore |
Dude, you're comparing Downes and Town to Barca and Messi. You might want to take a less chippy tone with others. |
Self-awareness functioning marvellously as always I see. | | | |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 14:00 - Sep 1 with 1798 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:45 - Sep 1 by jayessess |
I don't know where people get this stuff about promising youngsters being put off from. The vast majority of kids that come through out academy won't ever make it as professional footballers. What likely concerns most of them is whether there will be opportunities to play in the first team one day. How the club conducts its transfer business is neither here nor there. |
It was a long time ago now, but I've seen how the club attracts young players (and their parents) and it was, certainly back then, an impressive package they put together, particularly talking about players who've come through and gone onto great things. I think us holding out for a decent fee on one player won't affect that. We are a very good club for young players to start off at. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 14:03 - Sep 1 with 1784 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:46 - Sep 1 by Herbivore |
Comparing them in any way makes no sense. |
Of course it does. He's comparing a club's need to sell and if they will eventually sell, regardless of need. It's a perfectly fair comparison on that basis. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 14:06 - Sep 1 with 1773 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 13:31 - Sep 1 by BrixtonBlue |
These are excellent points. Players don't need to put in transfer requests to get moves. They get moves by being good - so good that a bigger team is willing to pay the asking price.
If Palace don't meet our asking price tell them thanks but no deal. Downes downing tools won't do him any favours - he'll be out of the shop window and now seen as a disruptive influence if he doesn't get his way. His best bet in this situation is to play his heart out even more so that he gets other suitors (or the original suitor to realise, feck it, we need to pay that asking price, this kid is brilliant).
We, really, ought to be in a win-win situation. We get a player playing to impress or we get a hefty sum. There's no way we should be accepting a derisory offer, particularly when Evans has said we don't need to sell. |
Palace are clearly miles away from our asking price so I can't see him going there.
Presumably more likely a West Ham come in and pay closer to what we're asking.
If he goes in this window we have to get loan players as part of the deal somehow circumventing the salary cap. | | | |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 14:08 - Sep 1 with 1769 views | jayessess |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 14:00 - Sep 1 by BrixtonBlue |
It was a long time ago now, but I've seen how the club attracts young players (and their parents) and it was, certainly back then, an impressive package they put together, particularly talking about players who've come through and gone onto great things. I think us holding out for a decent fee on one player won't affect that. We are a very good club for young players to start off at. |
Right. Any parent/kid looking at Downes' career at Ipswich to date is going to see 78 league appearances at 21 and a first senior professional contract aged 20. I can't see how their first big move coming at 21 or 22 is going to figure in things.
The only situation in which I can see that happening is when the kid is explicitly identified aged 14/15, like Ben Knight, as being a potential world-beater and the parents explicitly want them at a big club as soon as possible. But, we can't keep those kids anyway! | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 14:14 - Sep 1 with 1755 views | Herbivore |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 14:03 - Sep 1 by BrixtonBlue |
Of course it does. He's comparing a club's need to sell and if they will eventually sell, regardless of need. It's a perfectly fair comparison on that basis. |
It's really not. The contexts of the players and clubs involved are massively different. | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 14:32 - Sep 1 with 1720 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 14:06 - Sep 1 by PrideOfTheEast |
Palace are clearly miles away from our asking price so I can't see him going there.
Presumably more likely a West Ham come in and pay closer to what we're asking.
If he goes in this window we have to get loan players as part of the deal somehow circumventing the salary cap. |
Indeed. If we could get a dazzling young striker on the way up and a centre back like Carter-Vickers as part of the deal, that would do me! | |
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| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 14:35 - Sep 1 with 1711 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Downes handed in a transfer request... on 14:14 - Sep 1 by Herbivore |
It's really not. The contexts of the players and clubs involved are massively different. |
The context isn't relevant here. It's the overall theme.
Come on herbs, you're a bright lad, you must be able to see what he's getting at? | |
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