| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? 18:32 - Sep 1 with 5004 views | Woolfenthen |
I mean surely he did some homework on Lambert before appointing him??? Surely people with inside knowledge of Villa, Wolves, Blackburn etc could have advised him what was likely to happen?? |  | | |  |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 09:51 - Sep 2 with 1815 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 09:02 - Sep 2 by Parky |
“He joined us well on the way down”
Simply not buying that. When he took us over we were 4 points off safety with 32 games still to play. He took us down without any fight whatsoever in what was probably the worst Championship in regards to quality in recent years.
This myth that we were already down before he took us over is absolutely ludicrous, any decent manager would have kept us up or at least had us fighting.
I couldn’t care less what he done before he got here, but at the end of the day he has been our worst ever manager and has categorically failed, how he is still in a job I will never know. [Post edited 2 Sep 2020 9:11]
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Highlighted by the fact that Lambert took over in October was it? Mick took over in November.
Both in the Championship. In Mick's case we were 7 points adrift and not 4 points adrift.
Not only did Mick join a few weeks later and have an extra 3 points to make up we finished 15th or whatever it was, nowhere near relegation.
Lambert had us relegated with plenty of games spare and some way adrift.
I've not looked it up but am guessing that in pretty much the same games Mick took 20-25 points more than Lambert, which would have seen us stay up comfortably if Lambert had done the same. |  |
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| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 10:44 - Sep 2 with 1783 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 09:02 - Sep 2 by Parky |
“He joined us well on the way down”
Simply not buying that. When he took us over we were 4 points off safety with 32 games still to play. He took us down without any fight whatsoever in what was probably the worst Championship in regards to quality in recent years.
This myth that we were already down before he took us over is absolutely ludicrous, any decent manager would have kept us up or at least had us fighting.
I couldn’t care less what he done before he got here, but at the end of the day he has been our worst ever manager and has categorically failed, how he is still in a job I will never know. [Post edited 2 Sep 2020 9:11]
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You've misunderstood (though either way I think it is correct).
I'm talking bigger than just the relegation. We were well on the way down as a club. Forget the league for one minute. The squad had been ripped apart and all the best assets removed. They were replaced with L2 and L1 players. We were in a complete state
I don't think most reasonable people looking at what he inherited would say 'any decent manager would have kept us up'. He couldn't sign players whenn he first came in and by the time the window opened we were limited by the writing being on the wall. Who wanted to join that squad! On paper he made some good additions. I personally think the only managers that could keep us up were Mick types, defence first and direct, and that wasn't going to happen.
He failed to keep him us up and to be honest that was completely understandable. And look at the fans reactions at that time - we could all see positives in what he was trying to do.
The massive failure was last season. Especially as it seemed we were cruising without ever hitting top gear. I must admit I thought we would go up a gear but we did the opposite. That was his primary failure. I don't know why we have to say everything he has done before was also failure to add some sort of weight to this failure. | |
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| Could be gone in 5 hours. (n/t) on 10:52 - Sep 2 with 1770 views | Bloots |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 07:59 - Sep 2 by Terry_Nutkins |
Thst's re-writing history i'm afraid.
Villa, Stoke and Blackburn got significantly worse after he left.
He improved both Wolves and Blackburns league positions after taking over.Actually with zero money and having buy young players from lower league with Aston Villa they actually finished higher in the table than previous year 15th (back to back seasons).
Blackburn were relegated the next season after he left.
I don't think any sane person would bother with he wolves comparison and the completey changed as a club and spent Millions to buy promotion. He had improved their league poition 4 places in his short stint.
The point is we cant change the narrative to fit a dislike if Lambert . He's failed here to date and that is the important bit. I'd love him to turn it around and i dont ruke him out. Doesnt look.good though right now. Could be gone in 5 weeks. |
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| Could be gone in 5 hours. (n/t) on 10:55 - Sep 2 with 1768 views | portmanking |
| Could be gone in 5 hours. (n/t) on 10:52 - Sep 2 by Bloots |
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Stop it, you need to stop teasing us! | | | |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 10:59 - Sep 2 with 1761 views | jayessess |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 10:44 - Sep 2 by Terry_Nutkins |
You've misunderstood (though either way I think it is correct).
I'm talking bigger than just the relegation. We were well on the way down as a club. Forget the league for one minute. The squad had been ripped apart and all the best assets removed. They were replaced with L2 and L1 players. We were in a complete state
I don't think most reasonable people looking at what he inherited would say 'any decent manager would have kept us up'. He couldn't sign players whenn he first came in and by the time the window opened we were limited by the writing being on the wall. Who wanted to join that squad! On paper he made some good additions. I personally think the only managers that could keep us up were Mick types, defence first and direct, and that wasn't going to happen.
He failed to keep him us up and to be honest that was completely understandable. And look at the fans reactions at that time - we could all see positives in what he was trying to do.
The massive failure was last season. Especially as it seemed we were cruising without ever hitting top gear. I must admit I thought we would go up a gear but we did the opposite. That was his primary failure. I don't know why we have to say everything he has done before was also failure to add some sort of weight to this failure. |
But Lambert's return points-wise was more or less the same as Hurst's wasn't it?
Hurst who we happily parted company with after 15 games. Hurst who was widely regarded as a disaster, not just as a recruiter of players, but as motivator, tactician, coach and leader.
That left Lambert with 10 games to improve things via coaching, organisation, tactical instruction and motivation. The death throes of the Hurst regime involved him chopping and changing every week in desperation and the players turning against him. So just by stepping in the dressing room and being someone else Lambert was already in a better place. He then has a whole transfer window to bring in people who might fix specific problems with the team.
Maybe we were too far gone to avoid relegation. But no improvement at all? Huge red flag. |  |
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| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:08 - Sep 2 with 1749 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 10:59 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
But Lambert's return points-wise was more or less the same as Hurst's wasn't it?
Hurst who we happily parted company with after 15 games. Hurst who was widely regarded as a disaster, not just as a recruiter of players, but as motivator, tactician, coach and leader.
That left Lambert with 10 games to improve things via coaching, organisation, tactical instruction and motivation. The death throes of the Hurst regime involved him chopping and changing every week in desperation and the players turning against him. So just by stepping in the dressing room and being someone else Lambert was already in a better place. He then has a whole transfer window to bring in people who might fix specific problems with the team.
Maybe we were too far gone to avoid relegation. But no improvement at all? Huge red flag. |
Not excusing Lambert as he is hopeless but his task in the relegation season would have been easier if those so called professional players hadn't downed the tools. |  | | |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:12 - Sep 2 with 1737 views | jayessess |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:08 - Sep 2 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Not excusing Lambert as he is hopeless but his task in the relegation season would have been easier if those so called professional players hadn't downed the tools. |
If the players downed tools for Hurst, even less excuse for Lambert not improving on his points return, surely? | |
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| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:16 - Sep 2 with 1727 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:12 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
If the players downed tools for Hurst, even less excuse for Lambert not improving on his points return, surely? |
Read an interview with Bialkowski. There was no drive in the team.
Maybe player power is the main issue, eh? Even if Lambert is sacked any time soon and things don't improve are they going to cry about yet another manager and his methods? [Post edited 2 Sep 2020 11:17]
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| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:18 - Sep 2 with 1719 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 10:59 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
But Lambert's return points-wise was more or less the same as Hurst's wasn't it?
Hurst who we happily parted company with after 15 games. Hurst who was widely regarded as a disaster, not just as a recruiter of players, but as motivator, tactician, coach and leader.
That left Lambert with 10 games to improve things via coaching, organisation, tactical instruction and motivation. The death throes of the Hurst regime involved him chopping and changing every week in desperation and the players turning against him. So just by stepping in the dressing room and being someone else Lambert was already in a better place. He then has a whole transfer window to bring in people who might fix specific problems with the team.
Maybe we were too far gone to avoid relegation. But no improvement at all? Huge red flag. |
I get what you are saying and totally get the logic here. I think we're both conversing the task was massive.
I thought we would get a bounce even if small honestly. Couple of early performances probably warranted something.
I think Lambert was probably guilty if anything if trying to rip things up and start again and play a brand of football that the players were not capable of. There was probably a bit of down tooling as.someone mentioned but then I put part of his job to arrest that.
I think the best approach to stay up may have been a Mick style back to basics defence first, direct approach. Our squad wasn't built fit for any real purpose...no big physical types, not great with the ball at the feet comparatively (and not used to it).
If the people that were/are willing to give Lambert more time was/is because the size of the job was huge. Last season still wasn't good enough and mistakes made. Whether Lamber or someone else we still need to develop an identity and a style now (I think everyone agrees on that). | |
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| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:22 - Sep 2 with 1714 views | jayessess |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:16 - Sep 2 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Read an interview with Bialkowski. There was no drive in the team.
Maybe player power is the main issue, eh? Even if Lambert is sacked any time soon and things don't improve are they going to cry about yet another manager and his methods? [Post edited 2 Sep 2020 11:17]
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Dealing with "player power" is part of the job, isn't it?
It shouldn't be beyond a competent manager to motivate a group of players to defend their own careers and earnings. | |
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| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:24 - Sep 2 with 1712 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:22 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
Dealing with "player power" is part of the job, isn't it?
It shouldn't be beyond a competent manager to motivate a group of players to defend their own careers and earnings. |
It shouldn't but this is Ipswich where everything is nice and easy for some players. No pressure, easy payday. | | | |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:30 - Sep 2 with 1701 views | jayessess |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:24 - Sep 2 by Mach_foreignBlue |
It shouldn't but this is Ipswich where everything is nice and easy for some players. No pressure, easy payday. |
You say that, but they all got 50% pay cuts on relegation! Even the most selfish player can be motivated to defend half their bloody income. | |
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| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:36 - Sep 2 with 1689 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:30 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
You say that, but they all got 50% pay cuts on relegation! Even the most selfish player can be motivated to defend half their bloody income. |
Yes but again this is Ipswich where everything is far easier in compare to other places.
Why was this pathetic team clapped off after such gutless relegation? [Post edited 2 Sep 2020 11:37]
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| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:41 - Sep 2 with 1674 views | jayessess |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:36 - Sep 2 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Yes but again this is Ipswich where everything is far easier in compare to other places.
Why was this pathetic team clapped off after such gutless relegation? [Post edited 2 Sep 2020 11:37]
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If my money got halved overnight, I don't think I'd take a bit of polite clapping as much compensation, to be honest. | |
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| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:45 - Sep 2 with 1671 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:41 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
If my money got halved overnight, I don't think I'd take a bit of polite clapping as much compensation, to be honest. |
They somehow did though. | | | |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 13:59 - Sep 2 with 1623 views | SidVicious |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 11:45 - Sep 2 by Mach_foreignBlue |
They somehow did though. |
Culverhouse is doing a decent job at kings Lynn
You can probably tell why he had his little bit to success when he was nodge manager |  | | |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 14:16 - Sep 2 with 1602 views | daisyisabaddog |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 19:51 - Sep 1 by BlueBadger |
He got Stoke relegated. From a position of 'one point from safety'. On fewer points per game than his predecessor. And a 13% win average. He had a bloody good go at getting Villa(a previously stolidly mid-to-lower mid-table side) relegated. Blackburn and Wolves both improved after he left.
I'd hate to see 'a terrible' job
Oh no wait, we ARE seeing a terrible job. [Post edited 1 Sep 2020 20:26]
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Lambert was appointed manager of Villa after they had narrowly avoided relegation, finishing 16th with 38 points. At that time Villa had the 13th highest wage bill in Europe.
He was clearly a talented manager when Culverhouse was with him but he has struggled ever since they fell out. | | | |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 16:36 - Sep 2 with 1566 views | daisyisabaddog |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 01:02 - Sep 2 by TieDyedIn95 |
I think Norwich should have been where the conversation ended to be frank.
Evans appointed Norwich's 4th best ever manager (behind Willie Reid, Ken Brown and Mike Walker) to take us down to the third division....
I hate what has happened to us. |
Never heard of Willie Reid but the best two Norwich managers in my long life have been Ron Saunders and Dave Stringer. Norwich were a minor irritation until Saunders came along and Stringer created a top 5 team out of nothing. The current bloke dug them out of the shyte a bit as well. Walker inherited a team from Stringer and got found out when he left | | | |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 17:13 - Sep 2 with 1534 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| How does Evans keep getting this so wrong? on 13:59 - Sep 2 by SidVicious |
Culverhouse is doing a decent job at kings Lynn
You can probably tell why he had his little bit to success when he was nodge manager |
Yep. Having proper leaders and characters in the team also helped him get them back to the Championship. | | | |
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